1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

They have other needs like we do. Hard to know. The coach thing could be a tie breaker if they have 2 ranked close. Besides they can have 2 TE's now and trade the one they are paying later and still have a TOP Te(if he pans out as suggested). So right now I can't rule out anything for any team in the top 5

I was thinking more the 2 teams that offered us a trade earlier this season have to be top of the list.   I also think indy is a possibility... and I also think Wentz is easily a possibility there looking at everything.    Watson won't be traded within division... Stafford...ehh ... I think Wentz would easily be a choice for Reich.  Especially since they select 21st and have $64 mil of cap space.  

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

#notyourqb

Does that link to my email?? HAHAHA. Besides this #whateveritis fiasco , Wentz has not addressed anything to the fans in 50 days??? The first thing he does is send a shout out without acknowledging the fans who supported him for 5 years, whatsoever? He did NOT seek help during his 12 week slump?? Did not address being benched??

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I was thinking more the 2 teams that offered us a trade earlier this season have to be top of the list.   I also think indy is a possibility... and I also think Wentz is easily a possibility there looking at everything.    Watson won't be traded within division... Stafford...ehh ... I think Wentz would easily be a choice for Reich.  Especially since they select 21st and have $64 mil of cap space.  

yeah,just not sure they want to spend the loot for him. Cap or no cap, he has to be worth what you spend and IDK if he is to them

5 hours ago, time2rock said:

Seems most feel the same as you.  Listening to Joe and John on WIP and earlier Cuz on the Fanatic and all saying the exact same.  

Most here locally are pretty ignorant.  It's an obvious ad they are putting together with one player and teammate plug from each team.  The voting is already done, this is something to show how players from every team put in the work and they want to show that instead of just recognizing the winner.   Typical idiot reaction by the local fan base.  If Hurts did it... " wow, look at him stepping up as a team leader"   etc.     It's pretty comical.  

Jeremy Fowler

 

@JFowlerESPN

 

Colts bringing on Eagles pass game coordinator Press Taylor as a senior offensive assistant, per source. Reunites with Frank Reich from Philly days.

@AlbertBreer

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7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I was thinking more the 2 teams that offered us a trade earlier this season have to be top of the list.   I also think indy is a possibility... and I also think Wentz is easily a possibility there looking at everything.    Watson won't be traded within division... Stafford...ehh ... I think Wentz would easily be a choice for Reich.  Especially since they select 21st and have $64 mil of cap space.  

Think maybe Stafford could be a stop gap In NE. They don't seem happy with Cam. Then they draft their future at 15? IDK just guessing like everyone else

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Does that link to my email?? HAHAHA. Besides this #whateveritis fiasco , Wentz has not addressed anything to the fans in 50 days??? The first thing he does is send a shout out without acknowledging the fans who supported him for 5 years, whatsoever? He did NOT seek help during his 12 week slump?? Did not address being benched??

yeah,just not sure they want to spend the loot for him. Cap or no cap, he has to be worth what you spend and IDK if he is to them

Middle of the road starter money ... this is what people don't understand.  

 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Jeremy Fowler

 

@JFowlerESPN

 

Colts bringing on Eagles pass game coordinator Press Taylor as a senior offensive assistant, per source. Reunites with Frank Reich from Philly days.

@AlbertBreer

1st

Shocking....lol

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Middle of the road starter money ... this is what people don't understand. 

Yeah, but that doesn't help OUR cap situation. They would either have to pony up or Wentz needs to re-do his contract to make it viable for US, and I feel that is the issue/roadblock

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Middle of the road starter money ... this is what people don't understand.  

 

Shocking....lol

Trading Places lol

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah, but that doesn't help OUR cap situation. They would either have to pony up or Wentz needs to re-do his contract to make it viable for US, and I feel that is the issue/roadblock

Come on .. the issue is Wentz going to Indy and playing well ... how does that make Howie and Lurie look.    That is your issue.   They need to completely ruin him before sending him off, this way they can save face,    Look at how the league ad for their charity work and the Walter Payton award winner already has created the hatred for the terrible human being that is Carson Wentz.  The brainwashing is under way.    Forget the amount of free meals he has given away, the trips to Haiti ...etc.  He was offered a big contract, he has to be an @$$hole now.  He talks, " he's an @sshole.... he doesn't talk.... he's an @sshole.   It's what it is.  

Like the saying goes....." money doesn't change you, it changes everyone around you"   years of charity and positive impact on the community doesn't matter... all about the hashtag.

36 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah, unless we get a deal for him. After last years fiasco, he's difficult to trade even on draft day. Anyone who needs a QB is going to avoid him for a rook. Most of the good QB's will be gone. I think The Pats take the last one at 15. They could snag Stafford on a 1-2 year interim, but losing Wentz seems to be futile. But I hope Hurts plays cause Wentz is not my QB

It also hurts that there are a few veteran QBs available that are better options like Stafford (who surely would cost a team as much to acquire), Watson, Rodgers maybe, etc

Hurts,our 6 and next years 1 pick for Lawrence lol

11 minutes ago, time2rock said:

It also hurts that there are a few veteran QBs available that are better options like Stafford (who surely would cost a team as much to acquire), Watson, Rodgers maybe, etc

Houston already said Watson is basically not going anywhere. Of course that could be all smoke

15 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Come on .. the issue is Wentz going to Indy and playing well ... how does that make Howie and Lurie look. 

If he played well we would not be having this conversation

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If he played well we would not be having this conversation

Im talking about him playing well in Indy... you know, with actual NFL level teammates.   If he actually does well there ... egg on the face of Lurie and Howie.   It becomes obvious the issues were not him.  Rather the job Howie did putting players around him.  And with the owner signing off on a trade....  if we go with Hurts and he has the results of the typical running QB... not a good look.   They don't want that.  They need to ruin Wentz before he leaves...  reputation included.   

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Good thing its not a total loss- all cause death down from 2019 and flu deaths down 97%!!!

 

If we have good WR development, We could have almost al of them on rookie contracts. And then draft Pitts and trade Ertz. Almost all pass catchers and RBs on low contracts. Then perhaps we could get a veteran WR?

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Im talking about him playing well in Indy... you know, with actual NFL level teammates.   If he actually does well there ... egg on the face of Lurie and Howie.   It becomes obvious the issues were not him.  Rather the job Howie did putting players around him.  And with the owner signing off on a trade....  if we go with Hurts and he has the results of the typical running QB... not a good look.   They don't want that.  They need to ruin Wentz before he leaves...  reputation included.   

Hard to buy this for me. First, it's not the first time Wentz had adversity on this team. We had injured players many years.  Secondly, he regressed and did nothing to help that situation. He made DUMB rookie mistakes, that is noones fault but his own. After 5 years and knowing your O line is "iffy" at best, you throw the ball away, you do NOT stare down receivers and you do NOT take unneeded sacks. I don't think they need to ruin him, he did a pretty good job of that himself and pretty much made himself untradeable in the process. Now we have to hire people to "fix" him? When you pay a QB 34 million a year, he should be the one fixing things. Ped went away from the running game, giving Wentz more opportunities to throw and he wiffed. What will happen is we will be stuck with him and if he comes out sucking game 1, the fans will go insane-egg on the face of Lurie and Howie 

2 hours ago, matchew88 said:

Good thing its not a total loss- all cause death down from 2019 and flu deaths down 97%!!!

 

If we have good WR development, We could have almost al of them on rookie contracts. And then draft Pitts and trade Ertz. Almost all pass catchers and RBs on low contracts. Then perhaps we could get a veteran WR?

If we get Pitts and add another outside WR worth anything,I think we will be fine(on offense) IF we can find a coherent QB. IDK if that QB is on our roster lol. I will give Hurts a pass only 4 games in. I hope he pans out, Wentz gets fixed, or we dump/trade them both for a winner. CB always an issue with us. We let the good ones go because we ca't spot the talent. Either that or we can't develop them. LB one again always an issue,but for me this is about finishing the O and getting at least one decent player on D(CB,S come to mind). We're not going to do this with one draft. I'm hoping the new staff on D can do what the old staff could not, get the right players and develoop them

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hard to buy this for me. First, it's not the first time Wentz had adversity on this team. We had injured players many years.  Secondly, he regressed and did nothing to help that situation. He made DUMB rookie mistakes, that is noones fault but his own. After 5 years and knowing your O line is "iffy" at best, you throw the ball away, you do NOT stare down receivers and you do NOT take unneeded sacks. I don't think they need to ruin him, he did a pretty good job of that himself and pretty much made himself untradeable in the process. Now we have to hire people to "fix" him? When you pay a QB 34 million a year, he should be the one fixing things. Ped went away from the running game, giving Wentz more opportunities to throw and he wiffed. What will happen is we will be stuck with him and if he comes out sucking game 1, the fans will go insane-egg on the face of Lurie and 

Ok.. you ask what the reluctance would be to trade Wentz.   It's simple.  You invest $ in a guy, he fails for you and then succeeds for someone else.   The perception would be that you were the reason why he didn't succeed.  This is what Howie and Lurie face when Wentz succeeds elsewhere.   

Right now the focus is on Wentz,  that people miss that Hurts was worse as far as putting up points, fumbling, completion percentage etc.   While both were at fault for sure, neither were dealt a good hand at all.  52% completion for Hurts,while not really throwing downfield at all?? He isn't THAT bad.   A huge reason was the roster that Howie put around them.   It was never close to being as bad as last year..  count how many OL had their first career start?  We went 3 full lines deep.  About 8 different WRs started. Both TEs missed decent time, simultaneously!  Both RBs were out, Sanders never seemed to get his wind.   Saying Wentz had seen that before is crazy? When were 4 starters missing on the OL before? Big V was first backup, we never went 5th or 6th on that depth chart. 

This reflects poorly on Howie/Lurie.  You bet it's the biggest thing they are afraid of. They can get cap space back next year, but they will never live down trading a franchise QB away after the way they failed him in a huge way last year.  Especially after firing the only coach to win a SB for them.   Any idiot should be able to see the problem was the weak roster.  Wentz succeeding elsewhere solidifies that it's Howie at fault.

Howie's in charge of the roster. He puts us into the 2nd worst cap position in the league. Bad drafts, patchwork coaching. Fire almost everyone but the person in charge.

One heck of a way to run a business.

Howie & Jeff

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ok.. you ask what the reluctance would be to trade Wentz.   It's simple.  You invest $ in a guy, he fails for you and then succeeds for someone else.   The perception would be that you were the reason why he didn't succeed.  This is what Howie and Lurie face when Wentz succeeds elsewhere.   

Right now the focus is on Wentz,  that people miss that Hurts was worse as far as putting up points, fumbling, completion percentage etc.   While both were at fault for sure, neither were dealt a good hand at all.  52% completion for Hurts,while not really throwing downfield at all?? He isn't THAT bad.   A huge reason was the roster that Howie put around them.   It was never close to being as bad as last year..  count how many OL had their first career start?  We went 3 full lines deep.  About 8 different WRs started. Both TEs missed decent time, simultaneously!  Both RBs were out, Sanders never seemed to get his wind.   Saying Wentz had seen that before is crazy? When were 4 starters missing on the OL before? Big V was first backup, we never went 5th or 6th on that depth chart. 

This reflects poorly on Howie/Lurie.  You bet it's the biggest thing they are afraid of. They can get cap space back next year, but they will never live down trading a franchise QB away after the way they failed him in a huge way last year.  Especially after firing the only coach to win a SB for them.   Any idiot should be able to see the problem was the weak roster.  Wentz succeeding elsewhere solidifies that it's Howie at fault.

I'm not banging the drum for Hurts. He was a ROOKIE, put in a precarious position(and he still is). I understand the missing players. But that's more reason to throw the ball away,not toss picks and take sacks. Those are the mistakes I expect from Hurts. I'm not sure,but he was never the same after the concussion. So,how do we know what he would do elsewhere(or here for that matter). He just didn't seem the same to me. Staring down receivers is pick city-rookie mistake. Missing WIDE open receivers in inexcusable. IDK if he is "fixable" We shall see,but I'm not holding my breath

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If we get Pitts and add another outside WR worth anything,I think we will be fine(on offense) IF we can find a coherent QB. IDK if that QB is on our roster lol. I will give Hurts a pass only 4 games in. I hope he pans out, Wentz gets fixed, or we dump/trade them both for a winner. CB always an issue with us. We let the good ones go because we ca't spot the talent. Either that or we can't develop them. LB one again always an issue,but for me this is about finishing the O and getting at least one decent player on D(CB,S come to mind). We're not going to do this with one draft. I'm hoping the new staff on D can do what the old staff could not, get the right players and develoop them

My unabashed opinion is that Doug did damage to Wentz's trust in the game plan by not adapting to the circumstances. When you have all revolving pieces around you and a patchwork line, but keep the 2nd most vertical routes in the league...meaning plays that don't unfold for 3 seconds for Wentz to make a read...it puts him in an impossible situation. and then being behind in games, fighting like spartans at thermopalae to only get to 4-11-1...I'd want to be traded too

10 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

My unabashed opinion is that Doug did damage to Wentz's trust in the game plan by not adapting to the circumstances. When you have all revolving pieces around you and a patchwork line, but keep the 2nd most vertical routes in the league...meaning plays that don't unfold for 3 seconds for Wentz to make a read...it puts him in an impossible situation. and then being behind in games, fighting like spartans at thermopalae to only get to 4-11-1...I'd want to be traded too

But Doug caught a beer on the parade float ... like Foles he can do no wrong.   Wentz is the easy target.  WE focus on the couple of plays he does wrong, forget the other 65 the rest of the offense screws up. He should play perfect...lol    He's going to dominate in INDY without question.   Look at how Rivers was able to make a sandwich while waiting to throw ... what the Eagles had was not anywhere close to normal for an NFL team.  Doug didn't help either with the fact he never used extra protection, and when he did the RBs or Rodgers would do the old " ole` "  lol.   That's without the brutal routes and drops.    How embarasing would it be if he gives back $20 mil .... then kicks ass in Indy... great look for our front office.  

51 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

My unabashed opinion is that Doug did damage to Wentz's trust in the game plan by not adapting to the circumstances. When you have all revolving pieces around you and a patchwork line, but keep the 2nd most vertical routes in the league...meaning plays that don't unfold for 3 seconds for Wentz to make a read...it puts him in an impossible situation. and then being behind in games, fighting like spartans at thermopalae to only get to 4-11-1...I'd want to be traded too

Ped is gone,hopefully that solves the problems

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ped is gone,hopefully that solves the problems

Still need players, same guy in charge of getting them.  The issue is, do we get 2016-17 Humble Howie,  who built a team the right way....or do we get pre and post those 2 years and get cocky Howie again?  

You watch the playoff teams,  look at the weapons,  the elite QB isn't enough, put him with great play calling,  still not enough.  You have a trio of WRs plus a couple of excellent TEs in Tampa, in KC you have the best TE, most unique WR ...and both have good OL.   

Howie needs to build the puzzle,  add to it instead of switching and moving pieces.  No more backups, get some starters first, then work on the backups. 

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The issue is, do we get 2016-17 Humble Howie,  who built a team the right way....or do we get pre and post those 2 years and get cocky Howie again?  

Do you mean do we get 2016-17 lucky Howie who hit on pretty much every FA move? That's the reality of what happened let's be honest.