8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

But Doug caught a beer on the parade float ... like Foles he can do no wrong.   Wentz is the easy target.  WE focus on the couple of plays he does wrong, forget the other 65 the rest of the offense screws up. He should play perfect...lol    He's going to dominate in INDY without question.   Look at how Rivers was able to make a sandwich while waiting to throw ... what the Eagles had was not anywhere close to normal for an NFL team.  Doug didn't help either with the fact he never used extra protection, and when he did the RBs or Rodgers would do the old " ole` "  lol.   That's without the brutal routes and drops.    How embarasing would it be if he gives back $20 mil .... then kicks ass in Indy... great look for our front office.  

I think Wentz stays because Sirianni gets it, and I think he will restore Wentz's faith in the organization. Sirianni DOES adapt, and does like to get the ball out quickly. The reason why Rivers often had a lot of time was the quick passes taking the bull rush aggression out of the DL and then the running game to create play action. There's no consistent rush and so there is more time for when there ARE longer plays.

57 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

The reason why Rivers often had a lot of time was the quick passes taking the bull rush aggression out of the DL and then the running game to create play action.

This will also be better for our receivers (Reagor, Fulgham, JJAW) who are going to better running slants, crossing patterns and digs (where they can use leverage to get open) rather than slower developing vertical routes that we had them running over and over again. It will also help the oline.

So much of our offense this past season made no sense considering the weapons we had and the state of the team.

If we stick with Wentz and I’ve said it before but I want to see us get back to things we did in 2017 with him.

Getting him under center letting him drop back 3-5-7 step drops something he stated that he liked thought it helped him stay in rhythm keep his fundamentals right.

Rolling him out moving the pocket not just him sitting in the same spot for DL to tee off on him(this also goes for Hurts if we go that way)

We are hiring Dennard Wilson to be our DB coach was with the Jets... Wilson was also a pro scout for the bears from 08-2011... That gives us two guys Gannon(DC) and Wilson that have been pro scouts at one point on our staff and they both focus on DBs. 
 

Have to hope they can find out some secondary talent then 

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2021/1/30/22257542/malcolm-jenkins-thoughts-carson-wentz-state-eagles-philadelphia-nfl-rich-eisen-interview-video

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Still need players, same guy in charge of getting them.  The issue is, do we get 2016-17 Humble Howie,  who built a team the right way....or do we get pre and post those 2 years and get cocky Howie again?  

You watch the playoff teams,  look at the weapons,  the elite QB isn't enough, put him with great play calling,  still not enough.  You have a trio of WRs plus a couple of excellent TEs in Tampa, in KC you have the best TE, most unique WR ...and both have good OL.   

Howie needs to build the puzzle,  add to it instead of switching and moving pieces.  No more backups, get some starters first, then work on the backups. 

IDK Tampa going to the SB when you said they weren't very good.TB had elite weapons before Brady came onboard. TB listened to their QUARTERBACK and surrounded him with the weapons HE wanted in FA. Brady talked directly with Bruce and the FO/ownership. Now IDK if Brady will have influence on their draft choices, but my guess is he will have his say. No arrogant Howie in the way there. Lurie needs to put Howie in a cage. Now, let's LISTEN to our HC/QB and what his vision is,and DRAFT the guys HE wants and I really don't give a rats butt if that doesn't follow some mock list. My suggestion is to put Howie in at QB for say 2,3 series. Maybe then he will understand that the QB needs more input on the offensive side of the ball in drafts and FA. QB is your "field general". If you want to win wars, you listen to your generals, not the recruitment officer

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

No more backups, get some starters first, then work on the backups. 

True, but all our starters were hurt, so IDK how you can blame Howie for that. I find myself bashing Howie, then defending him . If Wentz had taken us into the playoffs with a fairly decent record(say 8-9 wins),NOBODY would be worrying about the cap

2 hours ago, matchew88 said:

I think Wentz stays because Sirianni gets it, and I think he will restore Wentz's faith in the organization. Sirianni DOES adapt, and does like to get the ball out quickly. The reason why Rivers often had a lot of time was the quick passes taking the bull rush aggression out of the DL and then the running game to create play action. There's no consistent rush and so there is more time for when there ARE longer plays.

Well, first you need a QB who doesn't miss wide open receivers by 7 yards

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

If we stick with Wentz and I’ve said it before but I want to see us get back to things we did in 2017 with him.

Getting him under center letting him drop back 3-5-7 step drops something he stated that he liked thought it helped him stay in rhythm keep his fundamentals right.

Rolling him out moving the pocket not just him sitting in the same spot for DL to tee off on him(this also goes for Hurts if we go that way)

Save the steps,use the shotgun

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2021/1/29/22255632/nfl-mock-draft-2021-simulation-eagles-pick-kyle-pitts-philadelphia-tight-end-florida-seven-rounds-te    A mock Ham will love lol, except I don't think we'll have all those 6 picks

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Save the steps,use the shotgun

That what we been doing lol Wentz likes to play under center stated it early in his career. Doesn’t have to be a heavy part of the O. But getting him under center here and there letting him drop some isn’t a terrible idea 

Can also run out of single back sets plays action things we did with Blount and Ajayi. 

9 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

here and there

Fine with "here and there" lol

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Fine with "here and there" lol

I never stated make it our entire O. Lol goal should be to get Wentz back to 17ish level if you keep him. So doing things he likes playing to his strength etc. 

Something I thought we did extremely well in 17 and not with just Wentz. We seen it later in the year as well when we alter our O to better suit Foles. 

7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Do you mean do we get 2016-17 lucky Howie who hit on pretty much every FA move? That's the reality of what happened let's be honest. 

Not really, if you look at it they still missed on a bunch... ie. how do you like the 2017 draft?     you want to know the difference.

2016 offseason, = the cleanse.    Plenty of holes....

1.  Needed a franchise QB ... moved up to get one
2. OL was soft, Chip had OTs playing OG, not good for running he ball..... FA move = Brooks, Draft after QB was Seumalo  2 bigger guys
3. Middle of the defense was weak (not as bad as Dream Team, but still had holes)  ... middle to me = LB vertically and S Horizontally ..... they added Bradham and McCloud

That's realizing your team is soft and changing the culture,

2017 offeason  ... still holes, biggest one was WR

1. First 2 moves ... Alshon and Smith    (Addressing your biggest issue
2.  Then they address the backups and depth ....    Draft Barnett, add Long to the DL      .... Add Blount
3.  Address the secondary  ... Darby Trade, Patrick Robinson (who was one of many moves there, works out.   

Patrick Robinson is your " lucky" argument.... yet Howie didn't just get him and it was over, Howie failed on plenty of moves there, so while one move was "lucky" let's be honest, we don't talk about the other failures there when one success overshadows it.    

But my idea is the overall idea of building a team.   You start with identifying your weaknesses, then going after them.  THEN you address backups and long term down the road stuff.

COCKY Howie = prior to that and since....

Prior  = Dream Team idea (Banner, Howie, Reid all involved here, but lets say that idea permeates through the organization ... " bronze standard")  Let's pay big $$$ for backups yet not address holes that we have... ie " Cocky because we are smarter than anyone else

Examples

1.  Your defense is soft in the middle.   Name me the LBs and S from that group..... Casey Matthews, Omar Geather, Jamar Chayney, rookies Coleman and Nate (I forget his name)  Guys who are going to be on the field all the time.
2.  Yet we invested in backup DEs and 3 CBs.      "Cocky, thinking you don't have holes, so you go right to addressing backups"
3.  Cocky because they over use the " position of priority"   ie for them, " fastballs"  their term for DEs that rush the passer.  Jason Babin made 22 tackles that year, 21 were sacks.  SOFT!  They prioritize CB, they needed 3 of them even though only 2 play in the base defense?    Cocky, arrogant, being smartest guys in the room.

To me it's not about missing on a pick or a player... or hitting on a pick or a player.   It's about understanding how to build a team.  you need LBs, you get them first then you get the backup DL.   You need S, you get them first, then you get the backup CBs.

So what happened since SB?

1.  first pick in 2018 was a backup TE
2.  First pick in 2019 was a backup LT
3. 2nd pick in 2020 was backup QB for gimmick plays.
4.  First player signed in FA was a 3/4 NT from Pittsburh, while you already have Cox and Malik at DT?

2016 -17 Howie.... instead of spending money on a backup DT who played in a 3/4 ... he would spend the money and use the pick for Reager to get Diggs.  It was the easy move. an established player at a position of need.   Philosophy more so than hitting or missing on a player.     You have a 26 year old established WR, you have a franchise QB who just broke the Eagles record for passing yards and was the first ever to throw for 4000 yards without having an NFL level producing WR on the team.  It was obvious to bring Diggs here and establish a longer term answer to that hole.    But " position priority"   took over.  which when they go overboard on that " bronze standard" idea... they make stupid moves, or " cocky moves"  

Hargrave may be a good player.   But they invested the $ in a DT who was coming out on passing downs anyway.   Diggs would have been your #1 WR on every down.  Bigger need plus bigger role for the team.  Both moves were there to be had, no luck involved... they clearly chose the route that was opposite of their 2016-17 philosophy.  ie Cocky vs Humble!

 

 

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2021/1/29/22255632/nfl-mock-draft-2021-simulation-eagles-pick-kyle-pitts-philadelphia-tight-end-florida-seven-rounds-te    A mock Ham will love lol, except I don't think we'll have all those 6 picks

I would be fine with this guys first 3 picks. Checked out Moerig, he would work here( have Samuel -CB on my mock,but a good S is worth more so maybe thats the way to roll)

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not really, if you look at it they still missed on a bunch... ie. how do you like the 2017 draft?     you want to know the difference.

2016 offseason, = the cleanse.    Plenty of holes....

1.  Needed a franchise QB ... moved up to get one
2. OL was soft, Chip had OTs playing OG, not good for running he ball..... FA move = Brooks, Draft after QB was Seumalo  2 bigger guys
3. Middle of the defense was weak (not as bad as Dream Team, but still had holes)  ... middle to me = LB vertically and S Horizontally ..... they added Bradham and McCloud

That's realizing your team is soft and changing the culture,

2017 offeason  ... still holes, biggest one was WR

1. First 2 moves ... Alshon and Smith    (Addressing your biggest issue
2.  Then they address the backups and depth ....    Draft Barnett, add Long to the DL      .... Add Blount
3.  Address the secondary  ... Darby Trade, Patrick Robinson (who was one of many moves there, works out.   

Patrick Robinson is your " lucky" argument.... yet Howie didn't just get him and it was over, Howie failed on plenty of moves there, so while one move was "lucky" let's be honest, we don't talk about the other failures there when one success overshadows it.    

But my idea is the overall idea of building a team.   You start with identifying your weaknesses, then going after them.  THEN you address backups and long term down the road stuff.

COCKY Howie = prior to that and since....

Prior  = Dream Team idea (Banner, Howie, Reid all involved here, but lets say that idea permeates through the organization ... " bronze standard")  Let's pay big $$$ for backups yet not address holes that we have... ie " Cocky because we are smarter than anyone else

Examples

1.  Your defense is soft in the middle.   Name me the LBs and S from that group..... Casey Matthews, Omar Geather, Jamar Chayney, rookies Coleman and Nate (I forget his name)  Guys who are going to be on the field all the time.
2.  Yet we invested in backup DEs and 3 CBs.      "Cocky, thinking you don't have holes, so you go right to addressing backups"
3.  Cocky because they over use the " position of priority"   ie for them, " fastballs"  their term for DEs that rush the passer.  Jason Babin made 22 tackles that year, 21 were sacks.  SOFT!  They prioritize CB, they needed 3 of them even though only 2 play in the base defense?    Cocky, arrogant, being smartest guys in the room.

To me it's not about missing on a pick or a player... or hitting on a pick or a player.   It's about understanding how to build a team.  you need LBs, you get them first then you get the backup DL.   You need S, you get them first, then you get the backup CBs.

So what happened since SB?

1.  first pick in 2018 was a backup TE
2.  First pick in 2019 was a backup LT
3. 2nd pick in 2020 was backup QB for gimmick plays.
4.  First player signed in FA was a 3/4 NT from Pittsburh, while you already have Cox and Malik at DT?

2016 -17 Howie.... instead of spending money on a backup DT who played in a 3/4 ... he would spend the money and use the pick for Reager to get Diggs.  It was the easy move. an established player at a position of need.   Philosophy more so than hitting or missing on a player.     You have a 26 year old established WR, you have a franchise QB who just broke the Eagles record for passing yards and was the first ever to throw for 4000 yards without having an NFL level producing WR on the team.  It was obvious to bring Diggs here and establish a longer term answer to that hole.    But " position priority"   took over.  which when they go overboard on that " bronze standard" idea... they make stupid moves, or " cocky moves"  

Hargrave may be a good player.   But they invested the $ in a DT who was coming out on passing downs anyway.   Diggs would have been your #1 WR on every down.  Bigger need plus bigger role for the team.  Both moves were there to be had, no luck involved... they clearly chose the route that was opposite of their 2016-17 philosophy.  ie Cocky vs Humble!

Good analysis Joe

 

 

 

3 hours ago, matchew88 said:

I think Wentz stays because Sirianni gets it, and I think he will restore Wentz's faith in the organization. Sirianni DOES adapt, and does like to get the ball out quickly. The reason why Rivers often had a lot of time was the quick passes taking the bull rush aggression out of the DL and then the running game to create play action. There's no consistent rush and so there is more time for when there ARE longer plays.

The reason Rivers had all day to throw... Indy has a quality NFL level OL.    The Eagles didn't.   Players matter.  The players on the Eagles offense were not quality NFL players at the start or middle of the 2020 season.  too much inexperience, questionable talent and surely not time to build chemistry.   I agree a coach matters... but give me the players.  Not s huge fan of Doug, but both he and Wentz suffered due to the lack of talent and the injuries that they had to work with.... it's why I actually agree with Lurie that Doug didn't deserve to get fired due to 2020... more so his idea didn't match what the front office had going forward.   Sirianni may match that... still need players or the success Wentz or anyone else has will be limited.  

47 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Lurie needs to put Howie in a cage.

LOL J. Geils - "Rage in the Cage"

Thinking of FA think I’m sticking with Walker and Hooker from the Colts think they would be huge signings for us that likely come cheap as well. 

As per the mock posted and sites.is there an "official" draft order? Some show 1 round 6 pick,others show 4 round 6 picks and I DON'T think we are getting those extra 6 comp picks. Not that 6 picks are a huge deal,it's just nice to know what we have or don't have

My pipe dream FA is Allen Robinson been one of my favorite WRs since getting drafted. 

At any rate, I would be happy with those first 3 picks. I think I can find better WR's however. Getting a late WR would put more pressure on Reagor to produce, but it's about time we got some numbers from our skill position people

51 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK Tampa going to the SB when you said they weren't very good.TB had elite weapons before Brady came onboard. TB listened to their QUARTERBACK and surrounded him with the weapons HE wanted in FA. Brady talked directly with Bruce and the FO/ownership. Now IDK if Brady will have influence on their draft choices, but my guess is he will have his say. No arrogant Howie in the way there. Lurie needs to put Howie in a cage. Now, let's LISTEN to our HC/QB and what his vision is,and DRAFT the guys HE wants and I really don't give a rats butt if that doesn't follow some mock list. My suggestion is to put Howie in at QB for say 2,3 series. Maybe then he will understand that the QB needs more input on the offensive side of the ball in drafts and FA. QB is your "field general". If you want to win wars, you listen to your generals, not the recruitment officer

1.  Tampa added some weapons ... Gronk and Brown  ...and the RBs
2.  How is Tampa's OL playing lately?
3.  How is Tampa's defense playing lately?
4.  Did Brady not throw 3 INTs  (which was your issue with Winston)  ... 3 INTs, another gimme was dropped right before the half, and really the floater that Goodwin caught should have been picked too.   

It's more than just a QB... otherwise Green Bay and Buffalo would be playing in the SB... the current guys have major supporting cast....slightly better than Travis Fulgham as the #1 producing WR ... and the OLs way better.

But Tampa built a team, not just added a QB or relied on their QB.  It's what we did in 2016-17... need to do it again.  Forget positions this offseason, just fill as many holes as we can... then finish the job next year after we see which holes we did or didn't fill this year.  Gotta hit these picks, regardless of position.  
 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

1.  Tampa added some weapons ... Gronk and Brown  ...and the RBs
2.  How is Tampa's OL playing lately?
3.  How is Tampa's defense playing lately?
4.  Did Brady not throw 3 INTs  (which was your issue with Winston)  ... 3 INTs, another gimme was dropped right before the half, and really the floater that Goodwin caught should have been picked too.   

I mean most of this I called before hand when Brady signed hence why I called them SB contender way back the. 
I mean not hard to realize that the way brady plays aids the OL he is definitely part of the reason they are playing better.

Defense you could see last year they had the pieces to take the next step. Had a strong pass rusher and young CBs. Not turning the ball over at a massively high rate also aided them something again Brady helped with. 
 

RB- Fournette was a nice add in name I guess but the big piece here was Jones stepping up again something that was starting to take place last year for them.