3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s not fair. They drafted Dillard in the first. But the idea of the pipeline of training guys to be ready is a great idea. 

So is the idea of winning...the way they prioritized things in 2016-17. Complete your states then get your backups 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hammer,it's something never achieved, it's fluid,but it should always be the goal you work for. Someone said we should be a QB factory,but noone wants to draft QB's so that was a load of hooey(aka lies)

Howie said that.. none of us did, so none of us should want to draft another QB without getting rid of one first.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not really against him...but at 6! My big board says gotta take a pass catcher 

Sorry, can't remember your past posts. TE or WR and who?

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hammer,it's something never achieved, it's fluid,but it should always be the goal you work for. Someone said we should be a QB factory,but noone wants to draft QB's so that was a load of hooey(aka lies)

That’s all dumb sh17

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I agree... I prefer to trade Wentz to Indy... then commit to Hurts or the draft pick.  2 guys is enough one way or the other. Getting 3 while the team has 348 other needs doesn't work for me.

OK how this came up was with my though that were stuck with Wentz THIS year. NEXT year he becomes more trade friendly. SO,if the DECISION has been made we're moving on from him,get another QB in here NOW. That guy and Hurts battle for the starting role. If we DON:T we will be back in the same spot where now HURTS thiks he is the sutomatic starter. i wasn everyone to WIN their competitions so we can have the BEST,not just han it to someone

Just now, EaglesTD123 said:

Sorry, can't remember your past posts. TE or WR and who?

Lawrence, Smith, Chase or Pitts. I’m disappointed if we don’t trade back and end up with anything different.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Howie said that.. none of us did, so none of us should want to draft another QB without getting rid of one first.

We got Hurts, we hadn't gotten rid of Wentz yet

Actually feels like after I started talking Pitts...I’m seeing it everywhere

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Actually feels like after I started talking Pitts...I’m seeing it everywhere

You did, you changed my mind. Thats not easy to do either especially after I wathed the quality of lower round WR"s. Grimes in round 5 works fine for me with the STUD TE

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Howie said that.. none of us did, so none of us should want to draft another QB without getting rid of one first.

SO then why did we draft Hurts without getting rid of the first one? Why do we have 14 WR's in camp competing,but only 2 QB's(because one is a 3) Why not bring 4 in and let all 5 compete? We do it everywhere else

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK how this came up was with my though that were stuck with Wentz THIS year. NEXT year he becomes more trade friendly. SO,if the DECISION has been made we're moving on from him,get another QB in here NOW. That guy and Hurts battle for the starting role. If we DON:T we will be back in the same spot where now HURTS thiks he is the sutomatic starter. i wasn everyone to WIN their competitions so we can have the BEST,not just han it to someone

But we aren't " stuck" you actually save slightly by trading him. More so if done correctly.  

The thing you miss, and keep refusing to see is how dumb they look trading him and he succeeds on another team that won't put practice squad guys around him.   Then it becomes obvious he wasn't the problem and it has the look of when DeSean left the first time.   You can bet all this soap opera stuff is leaked for a reason. They need to ruin this kid in such a way that the fan base is on board with the fact he is a cancer.  

He succeeds then everyone will say why didn't you put better players around him?  That goes to Howie, the first NFL GM to actually hire 3 coaches without being fired himself?

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We got Hurts, we hadn't gotten rid of Wentz yet

Howie got Hurts...not us.

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Actually feels like after I started talking Pitts...I’m seeing it everywhere

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4360248/kyle-pitts

 

LOL, I'm intrigued already. 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But we aren't " stuck" you actually save slightly by trading him. More so if done correctly.  

The thing you miss, and keep refusing to see is how dumb they look trading him and he succeeds on another team that won't put practice squad guys around him.   Then it becomes obvious he wasn't the problem and it has the look of when DeSean left the first time.   You can bet all this soap opera stuff is leaked for a reason. They need to ruin this kid in such a way that the fan base is on board with the fact he is a cancer.  

He succeeds then everyone will say why didn't you put better players around him?  That goes to Howie, the first NFL GM to actually hire 3 coaches without being fired himself?

If you keep him and he sucks AGAIN.you also look bad for keeping him, so that works both ways.We lose players all the time that play fine elsewhere. I'm guessing thats why we bascially fired the entire staff? By STUCK I mean with the cap hit. Trading him next year is alot less painful,and even if we bring in a few QB's he is going to want to light it up,either to secure his job HERE,or look good enough to another team if he wants out

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SO then why did we draft Hurts without getting rid of the first one? Why do we have 14 WR's in camp competing,but only 2 QB's(because one is a 3) Why not bring 4 in and let all 5 compete? We do it everywhere else

The answer is simple... remember Mel from Scarface... the dirty cop . Pretend he is Howie... " ju F#$ked up Mel"   

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Actually feels like after I started talking Pitts...I’m seeing it everywhere

There he is!!!!     My man, missed you buddy!  

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The answer is simple... remember Mel from Scarface... the dirty cop . Pretend he is Howie... " ju F#$ked up Mel"   

So whats the difference if you draft Hurts or bring Foles back in. Why would Wentz feel threatened by either one? QB's should win the battle to start EVERY year

After the mega deal Detroit pulled off,I think there is hope for a Wentz trade lol

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

 You can bet all this soap opera stuff is leaked for a reason. They need to ruin this kid in such a way that the fan base is on board with the fact he is a cancer.  

This has been my theory. Pretty sad to use Wentz as the 100% scapegoat. 90% of his weapons were rooks or new guys when the starters went. Not even BU's ready to fill a BU position. Kinda like preseason games for a QB. Wentz really should've sucked it up though when he got benched. He KNOWS what competition is. LOL, not sticking up for him. Just that more factors were to blame. 

2 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

This has been my theory. Pretty sad to use Wentz as the 100% scapegoat. 90% of his weapons were rooks or new guys when the starters went. Not even BU's ready to fill a BU position. Kinda like preseason games for a QB. Wentz really should've sucked it up though when he got benched. He KNOWS what competition is. LOL, not sticking up for him. Just that more factors were to blame. 

I think everyone can see that there were a number of factors that lead to Wentz struggles. Anyone who denies that and says it was all on Wentz is just looking to hammer Wentz for a poor year. But Wentz does have to be held accountable for a bad year. He held on to the ball too long, he didn't look after the ball anywhere well enough and for a top paid QB we should expect more from him than he produced in 2020. And like you say all the reports we've read following his benching... I mean that isn't a good look for Wentz and I am sorry but there is no smoke without fire.

6 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

 I enjoy the draft a lot more when I know who's who. I'll be able to get somewhat informed if I can find time to catch the combine. 

Sorry to disappoint.

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Heard the combine was cancelled the other day, shame but understandable. Like others I can't watch a lot of college football during the season. I also don't put a lot into combine performance. Do like when scouts discuss players, systems they played in etc.

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So whats the difference if you draft Hurts or bring Foles back in. Why would Wentz feel threatened by either one? QB's should win the battle to start EVERY year

I don't get what you are trying to say.  Why is it hard? You seem to want to get rid of Wentz and draft another QB.  That works,I keep saying it works.  But you want to hold on to Wentz and still draft a QB? Just end the drama. Let him go succeed elsewhere like anyone with half a brain knows is going to happen. You seem to want to keep him here to blame him for your team's failures.  I don't need a villain,I just need my team to be built up like it was when we had the stud roster that won the SB.  Just move on.  

As for Hurts... my issue with him, his style. He is a running QB. It's completely different.  It's hard to have him compete for the job fairly because you have to design the offense around the running QB.  So with him,  I prefer to go all in with that style or scrap the idea. So I'm not worried about him having competition.  Wentz or the guy from Florida are not going to be able to run the ball like him.   It's not Foles where things were similar.   

To be honest,  I want to get rid of Wentz simply for us to stop talking about him.   For football reasons my ideal situation would be to get rid of Hurts, have a competition with a QB that plays normal style. This way the offense is the same.  If you go running QB, gotta do it like Baltimore, go all in with it, which includes similar style backup QBs. 

I don't like the QBs with such different styles, doesn't help the team in practice when they keep flipping back and forth. I also don't like the running style read option offense. It's college and boring to me.  I like RBs running, QBs passing and WR/ TEs catching. Everyone doing their job to win.  The running QB takes over a game, makes too many teammates irrelevant and you can't win 1 vs 11 at this level, regardless of how good highlights and fantasy stats are. 

I had no issue drafting QB in round 2. My issue was with the style of the QB they took.  So if we move on from Wentz and Hurts is still here. Go all in and fail with that running style first.  This way when we move on, we can be done for good with the idea if the running gimmick college QB type.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

There he is!!!!     My man, missed you buddy!  

Try to be consistent 😄

I would think the goal is to develop Hurts as a pocket passer. His mobility was a huge boost behind a terrible Oline. But the goal is to have the offense perform behind a solid functioning line. I believe Hurts can throw the ball. Not a cannon for an arm ....but sufficient.  Really seems like a smart hard worker so I expect he’ll progress fairly quickly.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think everyone can see that there were a number of factors that lead to Wentz struggles. Anyone who denies that and says it was all on Wentz is just looking to hammer Wentz for a poor year. But Wentz does have to be held accountable for a bad year. He held on to the ball too long, he didn't look after the ball anywhere well enough and for a top paid QB we should expect more from him than he produced in 2020. And like you say all the reports we've read following his benching... I mean that isn't a good look for Wentz and I am sorry but there is no smoke without fire.

He should have been more decisive like Hurts... worked out great.  Just throw the ball away when nobody is open... we still lose, but he has a better passer rating and people just see that it's not his fault.   Basically be Donovan McNabb air guitarist of 2009..." we showed our youth " pass the blame stuff.

How about,  he doesn't have to hold the ball too long because the WRs are good enough to get open? 

Again, this theme of our QB didn't handle the pathetic environment well is not the discussion we should be having. We were excited about 2017 because of how he handled playing for a good team.   Like the discussion surrounding the 2 guys playing Sunday... who will handle the situation of playong with good OLs and throwing to Kelce, Gronk, Evan's, Hill, Godwin,  Brown, Watkins...etc.    

Let's put whoever our QB is in that type of discussion instead of 2 years in a row ... discussing his performance with practice squad guys.  Just an idea.