1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I would think the goal is to develop Hurts as a pocket passer. His mobility was a huge boost behind a terrible Oline. But the goal is to have the offense perform behind a solid functioning line. I believe Hurts can throw the ball. Not a cannon for an arm ....but sufficient.  Really seems like a smart hard worker so I expect he’ll progress fairly quickly.

I believe he is a sentimental favorite , especially in today's social climate.   The amount the media exaggerated and talked up his performance was a joke though.   9 fumbles, 52% completion % etc.  Very weak arm, in today's game you gotta make throws off the back foot at times. I think Greg Ward's comment sums it up for me though.  Google what he said, I don't need to go get into that discussion here, but I absolutely feel it's a factor 

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I believe he is a sentimental favorite , especially in today's social climate.   The amount the media exaggerated and talked up his performance was a joke though.   9 fumbles, 52% completion % etc.  Very weak arm, in today's game you gotta make throws off the back foot at times. I think Greg Ward's comment sums it up for me though.  Google what he said, I don't need to go get into that discussion here, but I absolutely feel it's a factor 

There’s a ton to respect about everything Hurts has been through in his career. Got benched for Tua and took it like a man. Came back and was in the running for the Heisman. He didn’t just start crying like our 100 million dollar man. He fought his way back and improved. Not sure Wentz has that character in him. Just seems like Wentz doesn’t inspire anyone to play for him. Talent is one thing. But you keep missing that 2017 wasn’t about some super team. It was the chemistry. Those guys would run through a brick wall for each other. So many of those guys had their career seasons. 

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11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Just think a tight S would be more useful. I'm sure we can get CB's later. Check out Moehrig and adding Cox in 3 would square up our middle field defense nicely

I view our S spot differently think we have a good group of guys I’ve stated quite a bit how high I am on Wallace. McLeod still playing at a high level. Also see someone like Hooker as a strong possibility in FA.

Think CB is more of a need and better value in round 2 but just my opinion.

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The Lions took back Jared Goff as part of the Matthew Stafford trade, but it’s unlikely that he is the Lions’ preferred long-term answer at the quarterback position. At the very least, he isn’t a reason to avoid taking a quarterback like Lance here in the draft.

There is legitimate concern surrounding Lance's accuracy and experience, especially since he's played just one season as a starter in the FCS, but he also has absurd arm talent and gives any team the option to lean on him in the running game. It’s a bet worth taking for Detroit as they look toward life without Stafford.           This is called planning ahead, we should try it sometime(and dont tell me the Lions dont have other needs) lol

52 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

don't get what you are trying to say.  Why is it hard? You seem to want to get rid of Wentz and draft another QB.  That works,I keep saying it works.  But you want to hold on to Wentz and still draft a QB? Just end the drama. Let him go succeed elsewhere like anyone with half a brain knows is going to happen. You seem to want to keep him here to blame him for your team's failures.  I don't need a villain,I just need my team to be built up like it was when we had the stud roster that won the SB.  Just move on

LOL Joe,it's not that hard,stop making it hard. We will probably have to keep Wentz due to the CAP hit. That would not stop me from taking a QB,because even if he stays,I think this will be his last year. He is more tradable next year. 1)So let's say we took Trask and had Hurts and wentz played lights out. What have you lost? Hurts/Trask can easily be traded on rook contracts. 2)So what if Wentz goes away THIS year? Now you have 2 QB's on rook deals competing for the starting job- SO??? Or do you plan  a rerun and just automatically pencil Hurts in as starter? 3) What if Wentz is traded NEXT year? You still have 2 rook QB's each with a year under their belt who have learned behind Wentz and the coaching staff, SO? I dont understand why you don;t understand  NOW under ALL 3 scenarios,tell me how the Eagles lose out(unless of course both rook QB''s are terrible and uncoachable). Scenario 2, we take a massive cap hit,scenario 3, it's alot less. None of these scenarios stops me from drafting a QB if he is the BPA when I pick

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think everyone can see that there were a number of factors that lead to Wentz struggles. Anyone who denies that and says it was all on Wentz is just looking to hammer Wentz for a poor year. But Wentz does have to be held accountable for a bad year. He held on to the ball too long, he didn't look after the ball anywhere well enough and for a top paid QB we should expect more from him than he produced in 2020. And like you say all the reports we've read following his benching... I mean that isn't a good look for Wentz and I am sorry but there is no smoke without fire.

Exactly! 

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Sorry to disappoint.

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😞 Bummer! Not surprised though. Thanks for the heads up brother!

54 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don't get what you are trying to say.  Why is it hard? You seem to want to get rid of Wentz and draft another QB.  That works,I keep saying it works.  But you want to hold on to Wentz and still draft a QB? Just end the drama. Let him go succeed elsewhere like anyone with half a brain knows is going to happen. You seem to want to keep him here to blame him for your team's failures.  I don't need a villain,I just need my team to be built up like it was when we had the stud roster that won the SB.  Just move on.  

As for Hurts... my issue with him, his style. He is a running QB. It's completely different.  It's hard to have him compete for the job fairly because you have to design the offense around the running QB.  So with him,  I prefer to go all in with that style or scrap the idea. So I'm not worried about him having competition.  Wentz or the guy from Florida are not going to be able to run the ball like him.   It's not Foles where things were similar.   

To be honest,  I want to get rid of Wentz simply for us to stop talking about him.   For football reasons my ideal situation would be to get rid of Hurts, have a competition with a QB that plays normal style. This way the offense is the same.  If you go running QB, gotta do it like Baltimore, go all in with it, which includes similar style backup QBs. 

I don't like the QBs with such different styles, doesn't help the team in practice when they keep flipping back and forth. I also don't like the running style read option offense. It's college and boring to me.  I like RBs running, QBs passing and WR/ TEs catching. Everyone doing their job to win.  The running QB takes over a game, makes too many teammates irrelevant and you can't win 1 vs 11 at this level, regardless of how good highlights and fantasy stats are. 

I had no issue drafting QB in round 2. My issue was with the style of the QB they took.  So if we move on from Wentz and Hurts is still here. Go all in and fail with that running style first.  This way when we move on, we can be done for good with the idea if the running gimmick college QB type.

My other response is Trask is that style and Hurts still could be use don gadget plays. If Hurts starts, gets hurt due to his style,you have Trask waiting in the wings. Is that a terrible thing? Like I said this is all moot,because I doubt Trask(or mac jones) goes into round 2. I was just tossing that out

Siri says there will be competition at every position - we'll see.

Owner meddling has been the downfall of many a team. NE is a prime example of QB pipeline being disrupted by a QB going over the coaches head. There has to be a clear delineation of responsibilities! 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I don't like the QBs with such different styles, doesn't help the team in practice when they keep flipping back and forth. I also don't like the running style read option offense. It's college and boring to me.  I like RBs running, QBs passing and WR/ TEs catching. Everyone doing their job to win.  The running QB takes over a game, makes too many teammates irrelevant and you can't win 1 vs 11 at this level, regardless of how good highlights and fantasy stats are.

👍 Nearly impossible to build any practice continuity this way. 

20 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I view our S spot differently think we have a good group of guys I’ve stated quite a bit how high I am on Wallace. McLeod still playing at a high level. Also see someone like Hooker as a strong possibility in FA.

Think CB is more of a need and better value in round 2 but just my opinion.

Well bud we both picked the same CB if thats who we roll. If you watch Moehrig, he's a beast. I like his aggressive play style and he's in on alot of runiing back tackles. SO for me that talent at that spot sticks out as the better option. The S class drops off rather quickly and for me the need to address that is more pressing due to the lack of talent in later rounds. At CB, I can still find useful guys even in later rounds(I pointed out 2 already). SO,yeah difference of opinion,but like I said if you add Cox(my round 3 pick) into that mix,you have a solid short field run/pass/TE cover defense. So that was my thinking

9 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not really against him...but at 6! My big board says gotta take a pass catcher 

My big board says take the best player available don’t see anyone better then Parsons even possibly better.

Only two players I think could be higher then him Lawerence 1 and Sewell who I have at 2 

Longshot Parsons falls to 6 though so I’m also Ok with Pitts 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The S class drops off rather quickly and for me the need to address that is more pressing due to the lack of talent in later rounds

I don’t see S as really needing to be addressed though is likely we’re i differ. Maybe I slightly alter my mind some of we don’t add Hooker in FA but FA comes first so have plenty of time to adjust if I want 

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

At CB, I can still find useful guys even in later rounds(I pointed out 2 already).

We keep adding late round CBs and keep wondering why we can’t ever have good CBs. Maybe new staff can get more out and are better scouting them but rather really invest at CB for once. Only guy we have is Slay and he is already 31. 

As for Wentz vs Hurts running, there are several big differences. Wentz processes slowly, often not getting thru reads, missing open guys, not seeing how a play is developing, then taking off when it's too late. Then of course the accuracy probs. Hurts also misses seeing the open guy but he processes much faster. He sees the play developing and takes off before it's too late. Then of course he's a much faster, more elusive runner. 

When interviewing QB's there ought to be a QB simulation game from the pov of the QB where their reactions and the timing of those reactions can be measured. For now it's watching a lot of tape.

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Cox(my round 3 pick) into that mix,you have a solid short field run/pass/TE cover defense. So that was my thinking

I haven’t really look at him still got Parsons as my preferred first pick of available. Not going to change. Pitts is my fall back if he is gone.

Also looking at Walker from the Colts in FA. 

6 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

👍 Nearly impossible to build any practice continuity this way. 

IDK lets break it down some. You can have A) A passing/pocket QB who can run or B) A running QB who has an arm. So which do you choose? My first question is,what can this guy learn to do? Just because he ran in college means squat in the pro game. If the guy has a cannon arm,maybe I can work on his running ability/rollouts when he needs to do it? it's all about what I can teach someone with the skills they ALREADY HAVE. So for me,if it's a raw prospect fresh out of rahrahville, I already KNOW what he did in college. Now can I teach him to do the other things required in the NFL game? This is why drafting SMART QB's helps immensely

33 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

There’s a ton to respect about everything Hurts has been through in his career. Got benched for Tua and took it like a man. Came back and was in the running for the Heisman. He didn’t just start crying like our 100 million dollar man. He fought his way back and improved. Not sure Wentz has that character in him. Just seems like Wentz doesn’t inspire anyone to play for him. Talent is one thing. But you keep missing that 2017 wasn’t about some super team. It was the chemistry. Those guys would run through a brick wall for each other. So many of those guys had their career seasons. 

2017 was about having a quality group around BOTH QBs ....  these practice squad guys can run through any type of wall you want... but they don't play football well.   The teams playing Sunday have talent.  The teams that lost last week have talent.  The teams that lost the week before that have talent.  Let's get that first, then you can write your book selling intangible stuff later.  Basics. 

Start with talent... get in your starters. The foundation of every winning team. You can finish the chemistry,  biology,  trigonometry later... same with getting the backups. 

10 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

My big board says take the best player available don’t see anyone better then Parsons even possibly better.

Only two players I think could be higher then him Lawerence 1 and Sewell who I have at 2 

Longshot Parsons falls to 6 though so I’m also Ok with Pitts 

Except you aren't going to give your QB any confidence with a D pick. He can't throw to Parsons and if we don;t get target openings for our QB(whom ever that is). And if we don't fix the QB to pass catcher problem,it won;t mean diddly because the defense will once again be on the field for 40 minutes. So,pick your poison lol. Our goal before was to :get Wentz weapons" We all agreed on that. SO let's finish what we started

Joemas - we've had a lot of talent, it was misused. Coaching didn't develop them or wouldn't adjust to their strengths - a plan that can't change is a poor plan.

8 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

😞 Bummer!  Thanks for the heads up brother!

Yeah knew this,thats why I especially wanted to watch the senior bowl. Kind of a final look LIVE. Everyone will have to go on past vids and individual video workouts. Gonna be difficult for sure

On a good note my app't got rescheduled so staying in front of the fireplace. We're 60 mi out on the ocean, keeps us warmer in winter, cooler in summer. If it doesn't snow a foot, just run over it w/ the car. Kids don't shovel anymore either - that's physical work!

8 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Not going to change

LOL, noone asked you to change. I change when I feel I need to. We also hired the QB coach from FL. Another bonus to taking Pitts. Like to know where you are getting all this FA loot to spend? If we eek some out, I will go with your idea of taking Mack. I'm not taking the entire Colts roster because we got our HC from them

3 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Joemas - we've had a lot of talent, it was misused. Coaching didn't develop them or wouldn't adjust to their strengths - a plan that can't change is a poor plan.

Relative to the rest of the league... we don't have a lot of talent.  Us fans need to stop thinking the uniform wins games. The players inside them do.