2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Said before Wentz needs a presser,but after 5 years of fan support , he refuses to do it. What does the silence tell you?

Speaks volumes. I mostly think it’s because he knows he needs to assist in making a trade happen after that terrible season and the teams financial commitment in him.

2 hours ago, stine said:

  I get that. Just worries me is all. NFL is a whole new deal for a WR. Hey, he may the right choice. I would rather we go Chase at 6. Heck, I really want Parsons but we all know that isn't going to happen lol

Especially not using our sixth overall pick to be groomed by a guy with three years experience as an assistant position coach..,you kidding me

2 hours ago, stine said:

Yep, Last time I believe those radio people!  They are terrible!!

Worlds of difference than having a former DC as the Dline coach, former DC as Secondary coach, Flajole (at LB)been coaching since 1979 and Schwartz is as seasoned as it gets.

2 hours ago, stine said:

Maybe we can get a WR cheap in FA? There seems to be so many around the NFL anymore. We really do not know what some of our WR's can do yet. Reagor was hurt allot of last year. JJaw was misused. We have others also that will gain with a year's experience. GB had 2  WR's on their 2nd year playing last season and they did not draft any WR's. Granted they had Adams, but he was hurt to start the season. I just think WR is not a priority like many do on here. Of course I will not get upset if they draft one. Just feel we would be better served going Defense. LB or CB....

A position group room full of youngins. A vet presence would be a good idea.

2 hours ago, stine said:

Maybe young is what we need...... I really don't know much about these coaches, so as I said before I will hold my judgment at least for 8 games or more to be played...

If you are expecting more offseason of Zoom coaching especially

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm expecting them to be ready GAME ONE. if you notice siri is rounding up young guys he KNOWS or understands that fit his coaching style. We totally cleaned out the house and bought all new furniture

But when you get new furniture from IKEA you still have to put it together

39 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Speaks volumes. I mostly think it’s because he knows he needs to assist in making a trade happen after that terrible season and the teams financial commitment in him.

You guys keep missing the big picture. 

This is 2 year problem with this team. The pathetic supporting cast.  The difference was this year Wentz followed suit.  Why would he want to be here?   He can go play real NFL football elsewhere, not with this dumpster fire with the max being " can we win this pathetic division."

The Andrew Luck situation was mentioned before, like how he was physically beat up.  Look at what Wentz went through.  On top of that then he gets crucified by the media and fanbase..etc.  the same guy who did all the heavy lifting the only SB we ever one... franchise record TD passes, another year franchise record in yards... etc. He gets crucified now because he can't pull off a miracle 2 years in a row with teammates even you guys who spend hours scouting film had no clue who half of these players were.   

Silence for sure in not lowering his trade value, because he can't leave fast enough from this dumpster fire.   Why is it not obvious.   He doesn't need the Eagles or their $, he will get that elsewhere.  This is all Howie's issue, and will be the one that gets him fired soon enough.   Just need a Wentz successful season while Hurts does the usual result that the running QB read option stuff provides. 

No escaping this one... the only pro bowl player you draft since 2013 wants out.. then has success elsewhere, while you are stuck taking the cap hit away from his new team... lol.  You couldn't write it any more comical.

He doesn't want to be here because he doesn't want to compete..  lol.

The competition with the weak arm who threw less that 52%...lol.  Yeah that's it... lol.   Like PT Barnum said... one every minute.    

Already starting the PR with Hurts.. articles of him donating money..etc.  Saying all the company lines in the interview yesterday.   

They train them well here... even # 5 was trained not to back up TO when he deserved more money.  Hurts fits right in.  Watch how it works..  each passing day info will come to make you hate Wentz more... I think he joined DeSean's gang last week too...lol

1 hour ago, stine said:

Ham, you think Detroit did not want a 2021 1st round pick because of lack of film on college ball last year?

The Rams didn't have a 2021 1st round pick.  Detroit already has #7.

I read Washington offered their 1st and 3rd.

I'm not sure what else was offered.  But two 1sts, a 3rd... plus a starting level QB?  Not sure any team could match or come close? 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Worlds of difference than having a former DC as the Dline coach, former DC as Secondary coach, Flajole (at LB)been coaching since 1979 and Schwartz is as seasoned as it gets.

And they coached an avg. unit that every complain about lmao... 

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Welp, I'm sure Howie is burning midnight oil figuring out the different scenarios(like we are). I was surprised so many teams went after Stafford and the insane deal the Rams gave up,so that renewed my sense of HOPE. I think the Lions got a 1 and another 1 next year? I would be thrilled for just a 1 this year for Wentz. I can't wait around to see if Hurts is good. In this scenario I will draft one and let them battle it out in camp. IF hurts is so good,he will win the job outright(or vice versa) but I'm tired of "waiting around" Let's be PRO active instead of RE active  

This is ideal scenario.   If you want Howie gone.

Think about it.

1. You make all these moves trading up to get your franchise QB.

2. He delivers huge when you surround him with a good group of players.

3. You pay him

4. You surround him with crap,  he gets you to the playoffs, franchise record in yards, first to throw for 4000k without a 500 yard WR.

5. You put a worse group around him the year later 

6 You draft a QB round 2

7. You trade him, giving another team a franchise QB, but you take on the financial burden, making him a bargain.

8. You draft another QB at the top of the draft.

When neither of your QBs pan out, and the one you had, paid, then traded kicks ass elsewhere...  combined with the fact that you are the only GM in league history to hire 3 different coaches... lol.     Oh Mr. Lurie... you could make a movie out of this, a comedy, and you could play yourself.  Lol.

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I mean not sure why they are reporting this of course teams are calling gauging the situation.   Don’t really see how this is news lol just click bait 

 

2 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

Those mysterious "sources" at it again;

https://www.nfl.com/news/carson-wentz-teams-calling-eagles-potential-trade-qb

This is us leaking it to try and create a market 

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You don't think they run about 50 RPO Read option type plays with Hurts.   Gonna be exciting college offense to watch.

You know Hurts threw for more yards than Wentz in college, right?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

After Howie trades away his only pro bowl draft pick since 2013, that guy kills it playing with legit NFL players instead of the garbage Howie got him... then the owner will have no choice.    It's my main reason for wanting the trade..  we need to go in the tank , and Howie needs the egg on the face for the situation he created here.  A lesson you would figure the career of Donovan McNabb and the results or lack there of due to years of James Thrash, Todd Pinkston and that Reggie guy we took with the AJ Feeley trade...compared to 2004 and 2017... the years with TO and the other solid group.     " coddle"  a guy with teammates is the strategy that should be used...ie Tampa and KC.   You see Wilson and Rodgers can't even do it on their own.

How does Rosie not already have egg on his face? He created this whole clusteF

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

This is us leaking it to try and create a market 

Lmao 😂 doubtful teams are calling about Wentz it isn’t that hard to tell. GM coaches scouts don’t think the guy from 2017-19  just magically had his talents taken away and can no longer play the game.

Teams are definitely calling about Wentz seeing what it would take to pry him away from us. 
 

The real question is what’s the asking price to deal him. How much are we expecting and how much is a team willing to pay. 

1 hour ago, stine said:

Ham, you think Detroit did not want a 2021 1st round pick because of lack of film on college ball last year?

Nah. It was a great offer. They got a fill in as a starter plus draft ammo to rebuild. It is very interesting reading about the other offers though. Very interesting...

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

You guys keep missing the big picture. 

This is 2 year problem with this team. The pathetic supporting cast.  The difference was this year Wentz followed suit.  Why would he want to be here?   He can go play real NFL football elsewhere, not with this dumpster fire with the max being " can we win this pathetic division."

The Andrew Luck situation was mentioned before, like how he was physically beat up.  Look at what Wentz went through.  On top of that then he gets crucified by the media and fanbase..etc.  the same guy who did all the heavy lifting the only SB we ever one... franchise record TD passes, another year franchise record in yards... etc. He gets crucified now because he can't pull off a miracle 2 years in a row with teammates even you guys who spend hours scouting film had no clue who half of these players were.   

Silence for sure in not lowering his trade value, because he can't leave fast enough from this dumpster fire.   Why is it not obvious.   He doesn't need the Eagles or their $, he will get that elsewhere.  This is all Howie's issue, and will be the one that gets him fired soon enough.   Just need a Wentz successful season while Hurts does the usual result that the running QB read option stuff provides. 

No escaping this one... the only pro bowl player you draft since 2013 wants out.. then has success elsewhere, while you are stuck taking the cap hit away from his new team... lol.  You couldn't write it any more comical.

Soft Primma Donna that can’t be coached...is how he’s coming off. He was supposed to be the leader. Led straight to the dumpster fire by example!

55 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

He doesn't want to be here because he doesn't want to compete..  lol.

The competition with the weak arm who threw less that 52%...lol.  Yeah that's it... lol.   Like PT Barnum said... one every minute.    

Already starting the PR with Hurts.. articles of him donating money..etc.  Saying all the company lines in the interview yesterday.   

They train them well here... even # 5 was trained not to back up TO when he deserved more money.  Hurts fits right in.  Watch how it works..  each passing day info will come to make you hate Wentz more... I think he joined DeSean's gang last week too...lol

Your the one who fell for the DJax propaganda. But Wentz came here and was busy doing the propaganda himself. But he was making second overall pick money. Hurts is doing it with second round pick money. Huge bank account difference. 

49 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The Rams didn't have a 2021 1st round pick.  Detroit already has #7.

I read Washington offered their 1st and 3rd.

I'm not sure what else was offered.  But two 1sts, a 3rd... plus a starting level QB?  Not sure any team could match or come close? 

I heard that Washington offered really big time players

35 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

This is ideal scenario.   If you want Howie gone.

Think about it.

1. You make all these moves trading up to get your franchise QB.

2. He delivers huge when you surround him with a good group of players.

3. You pay him

4. You surround him with crap,  he gets you to the playoffs, franchise record in yards, first to throw for 4000k without a 500 yard WR.

5. You put a worse group around him the year later 

6 You draft a QB round 2

7. You trade him, giving another team a franchise QB, but you take on the financial burden, making him a bargain.

8. You draft another QB at the top of the draft.

When neither of your QBs pan out, and the one you had, paid, then traded kicks ass elsewhere...  combined with the fact that you are the only GM in league history to hire 3 different coaches... lol.     Oh Mr. Lurie... you could make a movie out of this, a comedy, and you could play yourself.  Lol.

Why should it take all of this. Already has done enough. But the truth is it appears Rosie is just a front man for Lurie mostly. Lurie isn’t going to fire himself.

The case is already a mile long to be made for Rosie’s firing. But I like that he has to deal with this 2021 fubar situation. Hate to force anyone else to dig out from it.

11 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao 😂 doubtful teams are calling about Wentz it isn’t that hard to tell. GM coaches scouts don’t think the guy from 2017-19  just magically had his talents taken away and can no longer play the game.

Teams are definitely calling about Wentz seeing what it would take to pry him away from us. 
 

The real question is what’s the asking price to deal him. How much are we expecting and how much is a team willing to pay. 

That’s where a bidding war is crucial

I guess it depends which teams we are talking about concerning trading for a QB. I’d think Rodgers would be the first call of any win now teams. Washington would like Wentz. Don’t know if we’d do that though.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Speaks volumes. I mostly think it’s because he knows he needs to assist in making a trade happen after that terrible season and the teams financial commitment in him.

Agreed which is why was the first on this board to bring up drafting a QB(which I got bashed for as usual lol) Is Hurts "our guy"? I have no clue after 4 games. Is he good enough? We don't know that either. Therefore I am suggesting we take a QB here and ALSO another one as a UDFA. Brady White or Zac Thomas gives us QB#3 and we can forget about Suds. Back burner stuff but still SMART to do. now back to QB1. Seeing as noone has a clue after 4 games, I say bring in another and let them compete. i ALSO DISAGREE Trask falls into round 2. I cant see the Pats passing on him no matter what else they do(unless they plan on moving for a better one).

Teddy Bridgewater, Garrapolo, Fitzpatrick, Winston....heck the backup in LA Wofford(?) Darnold, Alex Smith....I’m sure I’m forgetting somebody. There are options out there. Garrapolo likes porn stars and has injury issues but....Wentz has injury issues and is an uncoachable Primma Donna that players don’t want to follow. 

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Agreed which is why was the first on this board to bring up drafting a QB(which I got bashed for as usual lol) Is Hurts "our guy"? I have no clue after 4 games. Is he good enough? We don't know that either. Therefore I am suggesting we take a QB here and ALSO another one as a UDFA. Brady White or Zac Thomas gives us QB#3 and we can forget about Suds. Back burner stuff but still SMART to do. now back to QB1. Seeing as noone has a clue after 4 games, I say bring in another and let them compete. i ALSO DISAGREE Trask falls into round 2. I cant see the Pats passing on him no matter what else they do(unless they plan on moving for a better one).

What are the options? I don’t want to force a QB pick. It feels like Wilson is going before our pick. Do we want to actually spill all our ammo to move up and get him? I don’t think so. We have an early second round pick. Seems like somebody would fall out of the first. But I’d maybe be willing to trade back into the end of the first for Trask. Get him for five years under his college OC. I really have no problem going with Hurts. If he sucks then we should be in good shape to get a QB next draft. I’m not making some freak out move because of Wentz.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

A vet presence would be a good idea

Always our "standard" How has that worked out? Maybe let the kids run this show, it can't get any worse. Loved our "vet WR's we paid huge money for and although coaches don't play,it's those same LOSING principles that keep us at .500. I'm old I love old school football. But that why we are OLD and it's time to stop replicating the past. Anyone know the definition of stupidity? So let's STOP doing it. We have a fresh start here. There WILL BE MISTAKES MADE, but maybe from this we get a different view as to how this team works. So REBUILD,let the mistakes happen YEAR ONE and lets grow from that (as my daughter aptly pointed out) We gave Ped passes for 2 years because he was "new" yet NOW we demand perfection day one that has not even arrived yet? Seems hypocritical