2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

No.. I would say its worse if Doug or Wentz succeed elsewhere.... Chip was not that big of an investment, and the team stunk when he took over.... same as if this new guy comes and goes without much success.  But we all know Andy was a good coach, the question was could he win the big game.  His team in KC has been way more consistent than his last 8 years here.   Then we could talk about his first 6 years and how they refused to give him any weapons when they had the QB in place.    Organizational philosophy type stuff.

Now you fire a head coach after this ridiculous hand he was dealt with Covid and all these inexperienced players... I believe if we check, EVERY position on offense had a player that took his first ever NFL snap (that's Kelce coming out for that other dude for a few snaps which completed the whole 11)    You throw that at a coach who cant have camp and needs to do weekly meetings on Zoom?  If that guy succeeds elsewhere along with the QB who was dealt the same hand... but even worse as you basically paid him so his next team won't have the big cap hit... record dead money... that's pretty bad.     

Pretty bad....on top of the terrible already. So what’s the point? They are still here. No more evidence needed in them screwing the pooch...is there?

OK so here is the key for me. WHO, and/or what entity influences Howies decisions?. We have all seen(especially in govt) when people "do things" to look busy so they can keep their jobs,even if they are BS things(Im not getting political merely using that as a example) This same theory tells me why Howie loves his "splash" moves. he is convincing Lurie,he is worth his job and Lurie is buying it. I'm fine with Howie doing contracts,but Lurie doesn't see he is NOT a football guy. As long as that remains,we as fans will continue to be frustrated. Everyone gets lucky once in awhile, that happened for Howie in 2017, and so, for me, that SB was LUCK. We still had those remnants in 2018 and 19 but clearly you could see the team degrading. Until either Lurie splits Howies position or Howie loses his ego, all I see is the same old thing with different names and faces

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Totally makes since when Pedey says he’s keeping Groh....only to immediately fire him after a meeting upstairs. As soon as Pedey slept on it he knew he had to fire Groh. All just his decisions. He really wanted MM involved in HIS offense. He really preferred Wentz going upstairs instead of accepting his leadership. I just enjoy creating a drama based fiction. Love this has been going on. I will admit to before Dime if these details coming out...I was confused about done of what was going on. Didn’t add up. I was against Alshon at first. Just heard him dogging the QB. Then you see what Wentz is doing over a longer period of time after questioning. And it adds up that he’s right. You also see that he came to a new commitment with the Eagles....then Rosie turned around and tried to ship him out right after. 
     But it’s all conspiracy....that just so happens completely fits and explains exactly what’s been happening. I believe there is much more. But you got to read between the lines. These guys think your mindless lemming that believe everything

Oh I 100% agree on Doug they were telling him who he could have on his staff but AR that wasn’t happening 

Just like at the moment believe they know the messed up and are allowing Siri to hire his own staff. These guys are all Siri hires nothing indicates the FO hand in on the hires 

But they look to have great draft ammo. So I think redemption could be at hand. All these previous drafts...whatever. If Sanders, Goedert, Reagor...whomever are good players going forward. Like throw in a Driscoll, Dillard or something. But let’s say he takes Chase at six. Guy becomes a complete stud. Is it going to be fire Rosie because he drafted Smith in the first years ago? Probably trade Wentz and up our fantastic draft positioning even more. Even Rosie can’t screw this up without coming out with some great players , right? (Ok maybe that last sentence is a step to far. But he really has a great opportunity ahead that could make a strong case for him at his position as GM)

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly it’s all just in my mind. Totally makes since when Pedey says he’s keeping Groh....only to immediately fire him after a meeting upstairs. As soon as Pedey slept on it he knew he had to fire Groh. All just his decisions. He really wanted MM involved in HIS offense. He really preferred Wentz going upstairs instead of accepting his leadership. I just enjoy creating a drama based fiction. Love this has been going on. I will admit to before Dime if these details coming out...I was confused about done of what was going on. Didn’t add up. I was against Alshon at first. Just heard him dogging the QB. Then you see what Wentz is doing over a longer period of time after questioning. And it adds up that he’s right. You also see that he came to a new commitment with the Eagles....then Rosie turned around and tried to ship him out right after. 
     But it’s all conspiracy....that just so happens completely fits and explains exactly what’s been happening. I believe there is much more. But you got to read between the lines. These guys think your mindless lemming that believe everything.

good stuff... the team still lacked talent, had record injuries and no time to practice.    Issues don't come up when the coach can call a play with Kelce and Hill ... or the QB can throw those guys the ball.     It's why I say... if a guy leaves and succeeds elsewhere... the soap opera stuff, that the team always conveniently leaks as a guy leaves to make them look better... " this player isn't Philly"   WTF is Philly ... go look at the trophy case, is it a bad thing that the player or coach isn't Philly"     Then they win elsewhere... and it all adds up to me... too much BS here without knowing how to pick the talent.   When they finally pick the talent, they don't recognize how to keep it going.   Eventually the BS has to catch up and people should realize it.   Even the ones who hate one guy and love another guy... easy to see the organization not putting them in position to succeed.  

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just like at the moment believe they know the messed up and are allowing Siri to hire his own staff. These guys are all Siri hires nothing indicates the FO hand in on the hires 

Yes, but doesn’t mean they won’t tell him to fire any coach they don’t believe was good. And that’s all that matters. Who has the power. They will let you run your top choices by us for approval. If the non football guys deem them a failure...they’re out.

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

good stuff... the team still lacked talent, had record injuries and no time to practice.    Issues don't come up when the coach can call a play with Kelce and Hill ... or the QB can throw those guys the ball.     It's why I say... if a guy leaves and succeeds elsewhere... the soap opera stuff, that the team always conveniently leaks as a guy leaves to make them look better... " this player isn't Philly"   WTF is Philly ... go look at the trophy case, is it a bad thing that the player or coach isn't Philly"     Then they win elsewhere... and it all adds up to me... too much BS here without knowing how to pick the talent.   When they finally pick the talent, they don't recognize how to keep it going.   Eventually the BS has to catch up and people should realize it.   Even the ones who hate one guy and love another guy... easy to see the organization not putting them in position to succeed.  

Is it easy to see? How come it hasn’t been seen then? It needs to be even more obvious is your point? A fire burning in one city isn’t enough....gotta be the whole state on fire to call the fire dept. Something to those levels.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes, but doesn’t mean they won’t tell him to fire any coach they don’t believe was good. And that’s all that matters. Who has the power. They will let you run your top choices by us for approval. If the non football guys deem them a failure...they’re out.

And the only coach they have done that with is Doug for whatever reason just like they control hires like Schwartz on him 

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pretty bad....on top of the terrible already. So what’s the point? They are still here. No more evidence needed in them screwing the pooch...is there?

I think the thing that would put it over the top would be Wentz succeeding elsewhere.  Because there are still people like you, intelligent football people with the eyes to know the talent... that still go try to justify the anger towards the player, not how the organization has the responsibility to put them into a position to succeed.  This one should be the ultimate egg on the face.   Especially paying him and taking anything else than what a franchise QB should get in return.    QB salaries going to jump where $40 per is going to be the norm for the top 10-15 .... if we give a team a franchise QB for 4 years less than $100 mil... after we take the cap hit.  And all " reports come out that the new team loves the QB.... even the most loyal Philly, love to hate the high paid guy, people ... are going to have to ask... were we snowed again, ie DeSean in the gang type BS.  

https://www.nfl.com/players/nick-foles/stats/career   here are Foles careers stats. A very good BU/game manager. I would be fine with him as my BU. If you're trading Wentz for Foles expecting him to put up the offensive numbers, I think you are mistaken. Boils down to, after 4 games are you SURE Hurts is your guy??? I can't say he is, so for me QB has to be a high priority. I am anxious to see what deal we make that will offer me more direction

8 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just like at the moment believe they know the messed up and are allowing Siri to hire his own staff. These guys are all Siri hires nothing indicates the FO hand in on the hires 

Now,I want Lurie to tell Howie "HANDS OFF THE DRAFT"

I think it’s all very obvious. But they are still here. They realize the hot seat they are on however. Letting Pedey take the fall for Tankgate really helped them though. This draft haul can’t be completely monkeyed up though....can it? Then they’re saved. Rosie admitted he got to attached to players. Clear fault. We all know. Then he brings back Peters. Still here

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And the only coach they have done that with is Doug for whatever reason just like they control hires like Schwartz on him 

I totally believe they forced AR to fire McDermott and Castillo 

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But they look to have great draft ammo. So I think redemption could be at hand. All these previous drafts...whatever. If Sanders, Goedert, Reagor...whomever are good players going forward. Like throw in a Driscoll, Dillard or something. But let’s say he takes Chase at six. Guy becomes a complete stud. Is it going to be fire Rosie because he drafted Smith in the first years ago? Probably trade Wentz and up our fantastic draft positioning even more. Even Rosie can’t screw this up without coming out with some great players , right? (Ok maybe that last sentence is a step to far. But he really has a great opportunity ahead that could make a strong case for him at his position as GM)

IDk(not bashing your pick) JJ last year was a SHOE in "can't mess this pick up" and what did Howie do? Messed it up. I like Reagor, don't take that the wrong way, but it's fairly sad when the team picking behinds you explodes in jubilation when you get the pick wrong

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Is it easy to see? How come it hasn’t been seen then? It needs to be even more obvious is your point? A fire burning in one city isn’t enough....gotta be the whole state on fire to call the fire dept. Something to those levels.

YEP ... exactly my point.   The difference between you and me, you are just looking at it from Doug... I love Doug point of view.    Good coaches leave teams all the time... 3 years without 10 wins, hasn't happened in Philly since Marion Campbell.   But never have we seen a 28 year old QB traded while taking a $30 plus mil cap hit...and then that QB go succeed elsewhere after he played at MVP level a few years back.    Manning was released, Brady, but they were older and limited dead money.  This would be ultimate never seen before type egg on the face.  

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think it’s all very obvious. But they are still here. They realize the hot seat they are on however. Letting Pedey take the fall for Tankgate really helped them though. This draft haul can’t be completely monkeyed up though....can it? Then they’re saved. Rosie admitted he got to attached to players. Clear fault. We all know. Then he brings back Peters. Still here

I know I wouldn't ask that question    If Howie (solely) I still feel he could mess up a soup sandwich when it comes to drafting. 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think it’s all very obvious. But they are still here. They realize the hot seat they are on however. Letting Pedey take the fall for Tankgate really helped them though. This draft haul can’t be completely monkeyed up though....can it? Then they’re saved. Rosie admitted he got to attached to players. Clear fault. We all know. Then he brings back Peters. Still here

I totally believe they forced AR to fire McDermott and Castillo 

I don’t AR fired McDermott to hire his friend Juan at DC which was a terrible move. 

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think the thing that would put it over the top would be Wentz succeeding elsewhere.  Because there are still people like you, intelligent football people with the eyes to know the talent... that still go try to justify the anger towards the player, not how the organization has the responsibility to put them into a position to succeed.  This one should be the ultimate egg on the face.   Especially paying him and taking anything else than what a franchise QB should get in return.    QB salaries going to jump where $40 per is going to be the norm for the top 10-15 .... if we give a team a franchise QB for 4 years less than $100 mil... after we take the cap hit.  And all " reports come out that the new team loves the QB.... even the most loyal Philly, love to hate the high paid guy, people ... are going to have to ask... were we snowed again, ie DeSean in the gang type BS.  

Mischaracterizing me completely. I’m the first one here ****ing about the FO.

8 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

I know I wouldn't ask that question    If Howie (solely) I still feel he could mess up a soup sandwich when it comes to drafting. 

I know,I make the mistake of asking "Can it get worse". Most times it DOES lol. Some take it as a challenge

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

I totally believe they forced AR to fire McDermott and Castillo 

I'm saying it doesn't matter.... it's shifting blame for the fact that the roster wasn't good enough for those guys at the time.  Which is how I see it with Andy in 2012... Doug and Wentz now.  To be honest, it's pretty impressive the job both of those guys did last year to rally the team... this year, both were dealt a much worse hand.  The idea should have been, " look at the job these guys did with the crap we gave them, the same guys who took us to a SB win when we gave them a good roster.   So they are good, it;s now up to us to get the right players"   I don't think it's rocket science.      But I'm saying Lurie loves the people that are Andy and Wentz... he brings them in, they show success ... he invests 14 years in a coach, and $$$ in a QB.. only to have them succeed elsewhere???    It's different than missing on a pick or McCoy having one good year.  These are guys you wanted as face of the franchise types.  

6 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

I know I wouldn't ask that question    If Howie (solely) I still feel he could mess up a soup sandwich when it comes to drafting. 

I asked for mayo   ... come on Howie!

Does it matter how Wentz does elsewhere that much? Ok it does matter. But reports were all we wanted to keep Wentz. Listened to him over our HC to create the situation. Fired our only SB winning HC for him. But he still wants out. What are the options? I think plenty of fans are going to think about how much we invested in that Primma Donna. He has been disappointing. Not sure how else to see it. He looked like crap AND is demanding out after all that. I like to think we have a backbone. We say good riddance. Isn’t going to happen here. Only thing that should matter to us.

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDk(not bashing your pick) JJ last year was a SHOE in "can't mess this pick up" and what did Howie do? Messed it up. I like Reagor, don't take that the wrong way, but it's fairly sad when the team picking behinds you explodes in jubilation when you get the pick wrong

 

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I know,I make the mistake oaf asking "Can it get worse". Most times it DOES lol. Some take it as a challenge

Something about a blind squirrel and a nut...but my heart isn’t in it

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

YEP ... exactly my point.   The difference between you and me, you are just looking at it from Doug... I love Doug point of view.    Good coaches leave teams all the time... 3 years without 10 wins, hasn't happened in Philly since Marion Campbell.   But never have we seen a 28 year old QB traded while taking a $30 plus mil cap hit...and then that QB go succeed elsewhere after he played at MVP level a few years back.    Manning was released, Brady, but they were older and limited dead money.  This would be ultimate never seen before type egg on the face.  

You mean like firing AR only to have him become the best coach in the NFL endlessly going to the SB. Hint: AR was always a great coach 

So No Mas it seems your feeling anxiety because you believe Wentz is heading towards MVP elsewhere. I’m not so worried about that.

So,as I said,finding "clogging" issues used to be what I did in businesses. And I will say again I am not on the inside. What I am seeing is Howie totally giving Lurie the snow job and Lurie is buying it. To have a successful team, you need a "football guy" at or near the top. Neither Lurie or Howie are those. Seems to me like 2 rich guys just having fun. SO,if you have your top 2 guys who are NOT football guys,then as owner/managers there are 2 options. First,you can do nothing,blame whomever and keep hiring other people you can blame(this is what's going on now) OR you can ADMIT "we' aren't football guys" then HIRE that person. If Lurie and Howie were honest and had this talk,that is what they SHOULD do. If Lurie hired me,this would be my presentation to him and let him make his call. No need to fire Howie,but you need a "football" guy near the top of the food chain