10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So is the GM.   That's my point... this months moves are all about the statement that the owner picked the GM over the coach and QB.   He's all in now with Howie, no turning back.  I want Wentz to win MVP and a SB... and surprise no drama.... and see the reaction of Lurie/Howie.... then Doug can win a SB with a new team too... " what's up Howie and Jeff"    but you know... Avonta Maddox and Nate Gerry ... lol  

He was all in with Rosie after he ditched your boy Chipper.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He didn’t pick Rosie over Wentz. I don’t see that

I do,but first you fire your head scapegoat(makes you look good). The you say well maybe we need to go farther(so I look good) So,well clean out the entire staff(to make me look good),then since we have a new staff,I don't want any old issues here,so the QB needs to go(to make me look good)

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He didn’t pick Rosie over Wentz. I don’t see that

Right... he picked Howie over Doug and Wentz.  He picked those guys being the problem, not the complete crap hand that was dealt to both of them.   Most normal owners would have been able to see their roster sucks.   For sure Doug and Wentz are scapegoated here and he chose Howie.  

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

It's not a problem .... YET.    I won't write a paragraph about 100 moves the GM could make that would change things... i'll simply say, watch who wins.   then we may see a problem.  

Disagree some. You can see a "pattern of stupidity" at least as far as draft choices go. Then there is the pattern of stupidity with Lurie thinking Howie has the answers. Lurie is not putting 2 and 2 together

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Nobody will talk about all these little moves.   Wentz wins a SB and the Eagles don't... nobody cares avout hitting draft picks and Nate Gerry.  Nobody talks about all the little moves New England made over the years... they talk about the coach and the QB winning.   If the have success elsewhere and we don't here... that makes them look bad.  The owner should ask himself what is the deal.  

That’s your whole fear. Wentz winning the SB elsewhere next season. More likely Wentz gets injured is my thought.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He was all in with Rosie after he ditched your boy Chipper.

And Howie did things differently after the year of studying successful sports franchises..... then they won, and went back to the old ways of being smartest guy in the room.  And instead of figuring that out... that got rid of the 2 biggest correct moves that they made... coach and QB.    Now... the world knows he is all in.  And the consequences will follow.  

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Disagree some. You can see a "pattern of stupidity" at least as far as draft choices go. Then there is the pattern of stupidity with Lurie thinking Howie has the answers. Luir is not putting 2 and 2 together

Oh I see it for sure.... the method is flawed, but not in their eyes.  The results though, that should make a difference.  They have with Andy ... lets see if it happens with Wentz and Doug too.  I don't see Howie surviving that if it backfires.    Not with the perception form around the league and the laughing stock it could make Lurie.   

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And Howie did things differently after the year of studying successful sports franchises..... then they won, and went back to the old ways of being smartest guy in the room.  And instead of figuring that out... that got rid of the 2 biggest correct moves that they made... coach and QB.    Now... the world knows he is all in.  And the consequences will follow.  

Yep, I said before Howie "needs more training" if he wants to be a football guy.Thinking 1 year gets you there is a fallacy in his own mind

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Oh I see it for sure.... the method is flawed, but not in their eyes.  The results though, that should make a difference.  They have with Andy ... lets see if it happens with Wentz and Doug too.  I don't see Howie surviving that if it backfires.    Not with the perception form around the league and the laughing stock it could make Lurie.   

IDK I see those patterns of stupidity too much. Like even if you talk DB's that may not be "stars" but they play well on other teams. Tate was playing well,then he got here and bombed. Just stuff like this frustrates me to no end 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s your whole fear. Wentz winning the SB elsewhere next season. More likely Wentz gets injured is my thought.

No... not my fear at all... I prefer it to happen.  Same with Doug winning elsewhere, and Andy winning today (Although the alternative for the ex Temple coach to win would be awesome too)   I don;t fear the egg on the face of the organization... I relish it.  I think it took the 2015 debacle to wake up... you hated it, I liked it.  Similar to 76ers tanking.  Go all in one way or another.  I want all in with Hurts... I win either way, my team has success of Howie looks like an idiot.   I anticipate the 2nd one happening in a huge way.  Enough to make changes in philosphy and the arrogance to go away again like 2016.  

We let Army guy(Villaneueva) go,and he started for Pittsburgh

Just now, joemas6 said:

I don;t fear the egg on the face of the organization... I relish it.

I'm a huge "Howie must go immediately" fan. I think he's a terrible GM and has done a bad job the last couple of years (and let's be honest in general throughout his time here). And I think he should be fired no doubt. But I'm not sure I relish the idea of this organization making bad moves and being made to look dumb. I don't get that line of thought. 

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right... he picked Howie over Doug and Wentz.  He picked those guys being the problem, not the complete crap hand that was dealt to both of them.   Most normal owners would have been able to see their roster sucks.   For sure Doug and Wentz are scapegoated here and he chose Howie.  

He tried to keep Wentz. Bent over backwards in every way possible for Wentz. Wentz doesn’t want to be here because his image is tarnished here now. He must be the golden boy. This town isn’t buying all that anymore. We got a glimpse behind the curtain at the wizard.

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right... he picked Howie over Doug and Wentz.  He picked those guys being the problem, not the complete crap hand that was dealt to both of them.   Most normal owners would have been able to see their roster sucks.   For sure Doug and Wentz are scapegoated here and he chose Howie.  

He could have fired Rosie and Wentz still wants to go. Best shot was firing Pedey to keep Wentz. But Wentz isn’t the angel he tried to paint himself as. I’m not blaming him for that...but he seems to need it much more than most.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I see those patterns of stupidity too much. Like even if you talk DB's that may not be "stars" but the play well on other teams. Tate was playing well,then he got here and bombed. Just stuff like this frustrates me to no end 

I don't worry about all the little stuff, that happens with every team, you could get frustrated so easily if that's the case.  I just look at major stuff.  Startign with if I like the coach or QB... then I build.  For me, the biggest thing long term is probably not getting a combo franchise QB with good WRs.. and keeping them together. McNabb and Wentz both dealt bad hands in that regard.   Too much of a pattern.   the weak LBs are my issue too.   The way they don't see how it makes a difference for those 2 things.   I do believe they feel CB is important, just that they haven't been able to pick the right guys for a while now.    I also don't like how they prioritize getting backups over filling holes first.  But individual players aren't my thing.  Even in the SB run, they missed on a ton of player moves, just doesn't get looked at when other moves work.  But I think they just built a team the right way more so than picking the individual players.  you can see that in the timelines in March of both 2016 and 2017... which moves they made first.   You look at it lately... and before..,. different pattern of moves. 

7 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We let Army guy(Villaneueva) go,and he started for Pittsburgh

Nobody cares about that.. not the impact of coach or QB.    Right now ONLY Andy leaving really matters.  Every team has an Army guy type of move.

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And Howie did things differently after the year of studying successful sports franchises..... then they won, and went back to the old ways of being smartest guy in the room.  And instead of figuring that out... that got rid of the 2 biggest correct moves that they made... coach and QB.    Now... the world knows he is all in.  And the consequences will follow.  

But the biggest failure happens now. The 4-11-1 season where you paid the mega contract to the worst Qb in the league. Things can’t get worse than that. Only up from here. Rosie made it through the fire to the other side.

6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'm a huge "Howie must go immediately" fan. I think he's a terrible GM and has done a bad job the last couple of years (and let's be honest in general throughout his time here). And I think he should be fired no doubt. But I'm not sure I relish the idea of this organization making bad moves and being made to look dumb. I don't get that line of thought. 

It's going to take numerous "eggs on face" before Lurie WAKES UP. If Wentz succeeds and Ped succeeds,maybe that will be enough eggs? I dont think Howie needs fired,but Lurie needs to get a GM and let him run this team,not Howie. Howie is ok with contracts(noone saw Wentz's fall off which we are blaming the cap thing on) If we were in the SB noone would be talking about the cap issues 

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I see those patterns of stupidity too much. Like even if you talk DB's that may not be "stars" but they play well on other teams. Tate was playing well,then he got here and bombed. Just stuff like this frustrates me to no end 

Tate was a bad move. Wasn’t what we needed at all. We needed speed. He knew it but couldn’t pull it. Wasted a pick just to make a move

9 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'm a huge "Howie must go immediately" fan. I think he's a terrible GM and has done a bad job the last couple of years (and let's be honest in general throughout his time here). And I think he should be fired no doubt. But I'm not sure I relish the idea of this organization making bad moves and being made to look dumb. I don't get that line of thought. 

Too late

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don't worry about all the little stuff, that happens with every team, you could get frustrated so easily if that's the case.  I just look at major stuff.  Startign with if I like the coach or QB... then I build.  For me, the biggest thing long term is probably not getting a combo franchise QB with good WRs.. and keeping them together. McNabb and Wentz both dealt bad hands in that regard.   Too much of a pattern.   the weak LBs are my issue too.   The way they don't see how it makes a difference for those 2 things.   I do believe they feel CB is important, just that they haven't been able to pick the right guys for a while now.    I also don't like how they prioritize getting backups over filling holes first.  But individual players aren't my thing.  Even in the SB run, they missed on a ton of player moves, just doesn't get looked at when other moves work.  But I think they just built a team the right way more so than picking the individual players.  you can see that in the timelines in March of both 2016 and 2017... which moves they made first.   You look at it lately... and before..,. different pattern of moves. 

IDK lack of identifying and keeping talent to me is not s "little thing" We didn;t think army guy was good enough, Pittsburgh DID, we saw DB's play well when they left here. That is not a little thing for me. If we cant identify talent and keep them,we aren't going anywhere

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Tate was a bad move. Wasn’t what we needed at all. We needed speed. He knew it but couldn’t pull it. Wasted a pick just to make a move

Because once again we didn't play to his talents. He was similar in skills to Alshon who we have apparently ruined also

7 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'm a huge "Howie must go immediately" fan. I think he's a terrible GM and has done a bad job the last couple of years (and let's be honest in general throughout his time here). And I think he should be fired no doubt. But I'm not sure I relish the idea of this organization making bad moves and being made to look dumb. I don't get that line of thought. 

The bad move would be letting the franchise QB go and him having success.   And then we find out all the BS ... just like DeSean being in a gang was not really true or a little exxagerated.  i'm not talking about Howie butchering all the next moves.  just the arrogance in these major moves putting the blame elsewhere on Doug and Wentz.  Right now our team stinks.  A good draft isn't going to change things in any major way, no need to root for bad moves there.  Just that I think like Lurie watching Andy... and we know Howie had the major hand in that... simply by the bad roster he put around him... more success from Doug and Wentz should help facilitate Howie leaving.  But we don't have to root against good moves here, not any of the little ones coming.  Hurts is already made, can he be the first running QB to do anything substantial ... other than fantasy stats?  Who knows.  Howie already made that move.  

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It's going to take numerous "eggs on face" before Lurie WAKES UP. If Wentz succeeds and Ped succeeds,maybe that will be enough eggs? I dont think Howie needs fired,but Lurie needs to get a GM and let him run this team,not Howie. Howie is ok with contracts(noone saw Wentz's fall off which we are blaming the cap thing on) If we were in the SB noone would be talking about the cap issues 

Really probably comes down to scouting. Just get the right opinion in Rosie’s ear. Start there.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But the biggest failure happens now. The 4-11-1 season where you paid the mega contract to the worst Qb in the league. Things can’t get worse than that. Only up from here. Rosie made it through the fire to the other side.

Ham back a few years ago,could you have predicted Wentz's fall off???? We want long term winners. That contract was signed when he was WINNING,but now you cant go back and say OH bad contract. If we were in the game today you wouldn't care

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Really probably comes down to scouting. Just get the right opinion in Rosie’s ear. Start there.

yeah thats why I asked earlier WHO or what entity influences him? His mom? Uncle BOB?, someones mock? IDK. Is he just guessing on his own?