2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The bad move would be letting the franchise QB go and him having success.   And then we find out all the BS ... just like DeSean being in a gang was not really true or a little exxagerated.  i'm not talking about Howie butchering all the next moves.  just the arrogance in these major moves putting the blame elsewhere on Doug and Wentz.  Right now our team stinks.  A good draft isn't going to change things in any major way, no need to root for bad moves there.  Just that I think like Lurie watching Andy... and we know Howie had the major hand in that... simply by the bad roster he put around him... more success from Doug and Wentz should help facilitate Howie leaving.  But we don't have to root against good moves here, not any of the little ones coming.  Hurts is already made, can he be the first running QB to do anything substantial ... other than fantasy stats?  Who knows.  Howie already made that move.  

No the bad WAS paying a massive contract to the worst QB in the league.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

yeah thats why I asked earlier WHO or what entity influences him? His mom? Uncle BOB?, someones mock? IDK

Obviously not yours ...🙃

Picking up Hurts looks like a good move NOW, but back then we all thought WTF??? We thought we had a QB and we wasted that pick rather than get him some toys to play with. So NOW it turns out that was a good pick? Only because everything else has changed

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK lack of identifying and keeping talent to me is not s "little thing" We didn;t think army guy was good enough, Pittsburgh DID, we saw DB's play well when they left here. That is not a little thing for me. If we cant identify talent and keep them,we aren't going anywhere

Because once again we didn't play to his talents. He was similar in skills to Alshon who we have apparently ruined also

But again, it wasn't like we didn't think OT was important or if we didn't have a good OL a few years ago.    More so to me, how they downplay the idea of what a really good WR would do for a franchise QB and team success.   The lack of importance on LBs which is the middle of your defense.   Maybe a blocking TE and a RB that is good in pass protection can help the offense, but it's not sexy enough for them.   Little things, that they had in 2016-2017, but not before or since.  

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No the bad WAS paying a massive contract to the worst QB in the league.

How could you predict that?

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Obviously not yours ...🙃

If I was,or you,we'd have a decent team by now lol

Everything Rosie touches turns to crap right now. Guarantee Alshon. Starts sucking. Pay Wentz...he falls off a cliff. Draft Dillard..nothing. On and on. If Rosie buys stock in your company...I’d run.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No the bad WAS paying a massive contract to the worst QB in the league.

Face it decent QB's aren't signing 1 year contracts, so when Wentz was re-signed all indications were he would be good,NOONE foresaw his drop off

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Picking up Hurts looks like a good move NOW, but back then we all thought WTF??? We thought we had a QB and we wasted that pick rather than get him some toys to play with. So NOW it turns out that was a good pick? Only because everything else has changed

Don’t know. You want to draft a QB again. That means it wasn’t a good pick. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Everything Rosie touches turns to crap right now. Guarantee Alshon. Starts sucking. Pay Wentz...he falls off a cliff. Draft Dillard..nothing. On and on. If Rosie buys stock in your company...I’d run.

Yeah But see Lurie refuses to see that light. He just pulls the string,turns it off and "it will be alright"

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Face it decent QB's aren't signing 1 year contracts, so when Wentz was re-signed all indications were he would be good,NOONE foresaw his drop off

He didn’t have to be signed then

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Picking up Hurts looks like a good move NOW, but back then we all thought WTF??? We thought we had a QB and we wasted that pick rather than get him some toys to play with. So NOW it turns out that was a good pick? Only because everything else has changed

Not good or bad until we see results.  If that pick was a good WR, maybe things are different.  One thing leads to another.  This is my point.  Where we disagree on when you go overboard investing in QB for " competition"  or if he doesn't work out... and I say get the other pieces done to maximize what the QB can actually do. The team stinks, you have nothing to lose now... just get every piece that you can yo fill a hole... then we can assess what you need next year.  Then we see results.  They need to be good if the former coach or QB win elsewhere.  3 years from now we will look back and see what the deal is.   For one, I hope at least the coach pans out, not dealt the best hand, but lets hope he does ok. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Don’t know. You want to draft a QB again. That means it wasn’t a good pick. 

I have no clue if it was, but I'm not taking a chance on a guy with 4 games. I thought back last year it was a bad pick and I still think that. Now if you want to put all your eggs in that basket that's YOU. I want to best QB I can find

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

He didn’t have to be signed then

We all laughed at the Cowboys for their owner meddling and their contract situation with Dak. Now we look in the mirror and our situation is much worse

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He didn’t have to be signed then

Nope thats true,but Howie though he was locking in a Perennial winner. I can't really blame him for that, but you would have an arguement that he gave him too much,but that doesn't even matter now

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No the bad WAS paying a massive contract to the worst QB in the league.

And if it turns out he was the worst QB in the league because you put a piece of crap roster around him .... and you got rid of both him and the coach... i reflects that YOU were the problem, not the contract or the QB or the coach... who are all gone.   But you and your pathetic roster. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We all laughed at the Cowboys for their owner meddling and their contract situation with Dak. Now we look in the mirror and our situation is much worse

Except they never resigned Dak and he played anyway,that was DAKS mistake. he may not be back in Dullaz

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We all laughed at the Cowboys for their owner meddling and their contract situation with Dak. Now we look in the mirror and our situation is much worse

Not really.... Dak will have more cap hits than Wentz by far.  

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nope thats true,but Howie though he was locking in a Perennial winner. I can't really blame him for that, but you would have an arguement that he gave him too much,but that doesn't even matter now

But he was privy to more behind the scenes stuff that is now coming out to us fans. He created this situation where he cut off the coaches ballsto  let the QB come whine to him.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But he was privy to more behind the scenes stuff that is now coming out to us fans. He created this situation where he cut off the coaches ballsto  let the QB come whine to him.

Howie is not my issue, My issue is Howie being the GM. And once again as "howie the contract guy" there was zero way to predict this downfall or the injuries,or whatever else you want to blame this season on. You can spot players who were good but starting to fall off. Wentz was not to that point yet. I can't blame Howie the contract guy,but I am blaming Howie the GM. If you didn;t know Peters was on his way out(you must have because you released him) they then sign him again,that's just stupidity. See for once we DID identify a problem(rare but it happens lol),then we erased that and then went back and resigned that same problem. That's Howie the GM

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I have no clue if it was, but I'm not taking a chance on a guy with 4 games. I thought back last year it was a bad pick and I still think that. Now if you want to put all your eggs in that basket that's YOU. I want to best QB I can find

I have a hard time stomaching trading up for a QB. I feel like we’d have to trade up to 2 with the Jets to get Wilson. Many years I’d probably be for it. I was the first to be all out to trade up to two for Wentz. That was my idea. I’m just leaning take studs right now. Not the same mindset. Maybe it’s just the situation fatigue....not sure.

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I have no clue if it was, but I'm not taking a chance on a guy with 4 games. I thought back last year it was a bad pick and I still think that. Now if you want to put all your eggs in that basket that's YOU. I want to best QB I can find

That would be Deshaun Watson clearly 

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nope thats true,but Howie though he was locking in a Perennial winner. I can't really blame him for that, but you would have an arguement that he gave him too much,but that doesn't even matter now

My argument all along is he didn't give him too much... because I'm talking about giving him talented teammates on the roster.    Couple of hours we will see a few hallf of famers and multiple pro bowl players at the receiving positions.  a couple of decent OLs too,    Nobody cares about the money their QBs make, they see them surrounded by good players, better than we had here in 2017.  Yet we get worse each year, not even slightly worse, downhill in a hurry.   Thats my issue with the organizational philosophy.  They did the same with McNabb, making it an uphill battle for no reason.  Identifying a franchise QB and paying him and putting crap around him... doesn't equal winning formula.  They put too much on the QB.   

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nope thats true,but Howie though he was locking in a Perennial winner. I can't really blame him for that, but you would have an arguement that he gave him too much,but that doesn't even matter now

Yes, it’s we should have signed the guy earlier to get a better deal. But if you sign him earlier then he wants a bigger contract before he plays that out because the prices go up. You can’t really win. 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

My argument all along is he didn't give him too much... because I'm talking about giving him talented teammates on the roster.    Couple of hours we will see a few hallf of famers and multiple pro bowl players at the receiving positions.  a couple of decent OLs too,    Nobody cares about the money their QBs make, they see them surrounded by good players, better than we had here in 2017.  Yet we get worse each year, not even slightly worse, downhill in a hurry.   Thats my issue with the organizational philosophy.  They did the same with McNabb, making it an uphill battle for no reason.  Identifying a franchise QB and paying him and putting crap around him... doesn't equal winning formula.  They put too much on the QB.   

Yep once again that is Howie the GM

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But he was privy to more behind the scenes stuff that is now coming out to us fans. He created this situation where he cut off the coaches ballsto  let the QB come whine to him.

And yet he knew the QB was leaving and still fired the coach?    Dumpster fire trying to blame everyone else but himself.  Can't do it anymore... these results will be all on him.  

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Except they never resigned Dak and he played anyway,that was DAKS mistake. he may not be back in Dullaz

Dak made no mistake. He got paid. Will get paid. He’s all good.