2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes, it’s we should have signed the guy earlier to get a better deal. But if you sign him earlier then he wants a bigger contract before he plays that out because the prices go up. You can’t really win. 

Greed is everywhere in this league from the top down

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yep once again that is Howie the GM

YEP!

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not really.... Dak will have more cap hits than Wentz by far.  

But Dak actually plays for them. We pay Wentz to play elsewhere. I say ....edge Cowboys on that

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Dak made no mistake. He got paid. Will get paid. He’s all good.

Except he got hurt before he accomplished that. Will the same Dak be back? Just like Wentz's concuss,he wasn't the same in my view

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes, it’s we should have signed the guy earlier to get a better deal. But if you sign him earlier then he wants a bigger contract before he plays that out because the prices go up. You can’t really win. 

you can win by putting players around the guy you invest in.   Not really rocket science.   Especially seeing that you already won with the coach.  You should feel confident that you have the right guys in place... now it's all on you.   

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

But Dak actually plays for them. We pay Wentz to play elsewhere. I say ....edge Cowboys on that

Did Dak actually play though?  

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

YEP!

So as I said,I am fine with Howie the contract guy,my issue is Howie the GM. Howie doesn't need fired,we need to HIRE a GM,but Lurie doesn't have the cojones

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Except he got hurt before he accomplished that. Will the same Dak be back? Just like Wentz's concuss,he wasn't the same in my view

Dak has players around him ... that part Jerry got right.

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Howie is not my issue, My issue is Howie being the GM. And once again as "howie the contract guy" there was zero way to predict this downfall or the injuries,or whatever else you want to blame this season on. You can spot players who were good but starting to fall off. Wentz was not to that point yet. I can't blame Howie the contract guy,but I am blaming Howie the GM. If you didn;t know Peters was on his way out(you must have because you released him) they then sign him again,that's just stupidity. See for once we DID identify a problem(rare but it happens lol),then we erased that and then went back and resigned that same problem. That's Howie the GM

I’m agreeing with much of this...but..hahaha you knew that was coming....but...the backloading of contracts to old players guy is here. An old capped out team that can’t win. That’s him failing wearing both hats.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

So as I said,I am fine with Howie the contract guy,my issue is Howie the GM. Howie doesn't need fired,we need to HIRE a GM,but Lurie doesn't have the cojones

But Ham brings up a good point... and I agree.  I think Lurie and Howie think the same way on things.   Similar to Lurie and Joe Banner.   So Lurie is the guy that really needs to wake up.  

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

My argument all along is he didn't give him too much... because I'm talking about giving him talented teammates on the roster.    Couple of hours we will see a few hallf of famers and multiple pro bowl players at the receiving positions.  a couple of decent OLs too,    Nobody cares about the money their QBs make, they see them surrounded by good players, better than we had here in 2017.  Yet we get worse each year, not even slightly worse, downhill in a hurry.   Thats my issue with the organizational philosophy.  They did the same with McNabb, making it an uphill battle for no reason.  Identifying a franchise QB and paying him and putting crap around him... doesn't equal winning formula.  They put too much on the QB.   

So you think KC and TB have better Olines than us? From a GM standpoint...uninjured. Lane, Brooks, Kelce, Seumalo and Dillard. That Oline looks good on paper. As good as any in the league potentially.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m agreeing with much of this...but..hahaha you knew that was coming....but...the backloading of contracts to old players guy is here. An old capped out team that can’t win. That’s him failing wearing both hats.

Here's my take on that. I truly think Howie knows he sucks at player personnel, but he fakes it as well as he can,so he re-signs "old reliable" That why we keep getting old,yet he doesn't bring in the right talent to replace those guys. That's Howie the GM and that is my issue,not the MAN,but those 2 jobs he has

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But Ham brings up a good point... and I agree.  I think Lurie and Howie think the same way on things.   Similar to Lurie and Joe Banner.   So Lurie is the guy that really needs to wake up.  

Yep said that already. Lurie think Howies is a "football guy" and he is not,but Lurie doesn't see it

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m agreeing with much of this...but..hahaha you knew that was coming....but...the backloading of contracts to old players guy is here. An old capped out team that can’t win. That’s him failing wearing both hats.

Agreed

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And yet he knew the QB was leaving and still fired the coach?    Dumpster fire trying to blame everyone else but himself.  Can't do it anymore... these results will be all on him.  

I think he fired the coach and told everybody interviewing the mission was reclaim Wentz. Don’t see it your way....shocker

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And yet he knew the QB was leaving and still fired the coach?    Dumpster fire trying to blame everyone else but himself.  Can't do it anymore... these results will be all on him.  

Why can’t he do it anymore? He already has gotten away with it. Can’t get worse than this. definitely a low point.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m agreeing with much of this...but..hahaha you knew that was coming....but...the backloading of contracts to old players guy is here. An old capped out team that can’t win. That’s him failing wearing both hats.

Find me a team that won a SB that has not been in a poor cap situation for one year.  The trick is making it for only one year.  The issue here are the drafting... the cap wouldn't matter if the drafting was good.   One pro bowler (that yoy are about to trade) in 8 years ... no need to dive any further... but then you could add, first big FA signing was a 2 down DT instead of filling a hole in the starting lineup.  

The bigger issues are the problem with Howie... not the little things, the little things only factor after messing up the big stuff.   13 teams are over the cap at the moment, and they have their own players to sign.  WE have zero guys that really matter that we need to sign... the only problem that really matters.  Because if we had some of those guys, most likely the coach and QB would still be here after a successful season.  

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

you can win by putting players around the guy you invest in.   Not really rocket science.   Especially seeing that you already won with the coach.  You should feel confident that you have the right guys in place... now it's all on you.   

Did Dak actually play though?  

First statement isn’t relevant to that quote. Second statement is about 2021. Sorry for your misunderstanding.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So you think KC and TB have better Olines than us? From a GM standpoint...I injured. Lane, Brooks, Kelce, Seumalo and Dillard. That Oline looks good on paper. As good as any in the league potentially.

Not if these guys were 2017 versions.  But as usual you putting words in my mouth.... " and a couple of decent OLs too"   was that in comparison to us ... or more so the idea... that they were able to put hall of famer level skill guys around their QBs... .and still have decent OLs?    You follow... nice try though, as per usual " reading between the lines"   Ham style. 

29 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No the bad WAS paying a massive contract to the worst QB in the league.

I don't see how you can say that when all you have is hindsight to go on. We were all raving about Wentz in middle of his MVP season AND how well he helped to lead the T-E-A-M in the '18 PO"s almost beating New Orleans. 

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think he fired the coach and told everybody interviewing the mission was reclaim Wentz. Don’t see it your way....shocker

Howies job is to make Lurie look good, NOTHING ELSE. That is his REAL job and why Lurie pays him. When things go in the toilet,then what do you do to save your job? You blame and fire everyone, and that's exactly what Howie did. Lurie is being played. After those guys are gone,now you blame your most valuable asset on the books and that's how I see this all went down. Howie is bailing his GM decisions with both hands

 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Why can’t he do it anymore? He already has gotten away with it. Can’t get worse than this. definitely a low point.

Because nobody is left for him to blame.   Hurts was his choice being smartest guy in the room... so was the coach hire.    Anything goes south , nobody in their right mind would blame those two over a GM who got rid of a coach and QB who won for him.   All Howie now

8 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

I don't see how you can say that when all you have is hindsight to go on. We were all raving about Wentz in middle of his MVP season AND how well he helped to lead the T-E-A-M in the '18 PO"s almost beating New Orleans. 

Yep that was my point, Wentz was re-signed when he was winning and noone could have predicted this awful season. So now,to save face Howie fires everyone. I'm happy to see they let Siri choose his own staff. maybe that little light came on for a moment? Or maybe it was just to get him here lol

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

 

Because nobody is left for him to blame.   Hurts was his choice being smartest guy in the room... so was the coach hire.    Anything goes south , nobody in their right mind would blame those two over a GM who got rid of a coach and QB who won for him.   All Howie now

Agreed, Howie the GM is on the hot seat and I hope Lurie knows that. I am fine with Howie the contract guy,but his GM decisions STINK

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think he fired the coach and told everybody interviewing the mission was reclaim Wentz. Don’t see it your way....shocker

Not a shocker, I thought Wentz was out from the start... didn't think he wanted to be here after the 3 of them hanging out after the game... Ertz, Kelce Wentz... seemed like goodbye.  He didn't talk... silence says a lot, I thought it was he was out, keep your mouth shut type of stuff.   The idea of the coaching being about Wentz also organizational BS, you don't do that without a solid commitment... and Lurie already called him an asset when Doug was fired.    The thing is, it doesn't fit the movie that you plan on writing someday that needs the soap opera stuff. 

"Wentz was out... they already knew.  The snow job, you bought hook line and sinker.  yuo are perfect audience for Lurie and Howie to manipulate.    i'm looking outside, DeSean is out there waving a gun and gang signs.   Come see.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not if these guys were 2017 versions.  But as usual you putting words in my mouth.... " and a couple of decent OLs too"   was that in comparison to us ... or more so the idea... that they were able to put hall of famer level skill guys around their QBs... .and still have decent OLs?    You follow... nice try though, as per usual " reading between the lines"   Ham style. 

In some ways I could defend our offense. Our Oline looked better than both these SB teams. Sanders is a better RB than either of these teams. (Now Bell and Fournette came over to the Contender rosters as backups. Both could have come here if we were that.) Kelce is better than Ertz. But Ertz has been the third best TE. Have Goedert also. Gronk...came out of retirement. Where do you rate him? On paper we are close or ahead going into the season. Now at WR they win. We did draft three WR. Had hopes the old DJax and Alshon could contribute. QB they win. Brady and Mahomes are the best. Wentz was supposed to be much more than has materialized though. He’s very talented.

 

 

 Defense we have issues. But offense....we weren’t that far from them. Not 4 wins vs a SB difference for sure.

8 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

I don't see how you can say that when all you have is hindsight to go on. We were all raving about Wentz in middle of his MVP season AND how well he helped to lead the T-E-A-M in the '18 PO"s almost beating New Orleans. 

Can't say anything yet... we need it to play out over a couple of seasons.