1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I predicted that when you sign a huge contract but only take a tiny cap hit the initial year the piper would have to be paid. That time is now.

But if we in todays game you wouldn't care

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Someone just said he does interviews

It has been mentioned he was a part of the coaching interviews. He’s a very smart guy. Lurie, Rosie and Smolenski I understood were there for all that.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

But if we in todays game you wouldn't care

I cared when we took all that dead cap money hit the year we won the SB. It’s a rolling cap. It matters. Still not giving up that SB victory though hehehehe you know that

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It has been mentioned he was a part of the coaching interviews. He’s a very smart guy. Lurie, Rosie and Smolenski I understood were there for all that.

OK understanding it better. So as we bash Lurie and Howie, is Smol any part of this "problem"? IDK that's why I am asking or is he in a totally different world apart from all this?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I cared when we took all that dead cap money hit the year we won the SB. It’s a rolling cap. It matters. Still not giving up that SB victory though hehehehe you know that

yes I DO remember you griping right away HAHAHA

I'm asking because it appears Smol is the "buffer" between Lurie and Howie so my question is how involved is he?

OK so Smol is basically the head honcho of daily operations NOT associated directly with personnel on the team, but with personnel in every other facet of the business. Is this correct? And if that is the case why would he be in on interviews with TEAM(players/coaches, coaching staff) personnel? 

15 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm just trying to figure out how the president and Howie fit together and if they both have hands on to decision making processes as far as personnel go

Howie is in charge of football operations.

The president is in charge of the organization.

So if the team plays poorly, Howie would be in danger of getting fired (in theory.)

If the payroll gets screwed up, or the team's jerseys don't fit, or the stadium falls down, the president would get fired.

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

Howie is in charge of football operations.

The president is in charge of the organization.

So if the team plays poorly, Howie would be in danger of getting fired (in theory.)

If the payroll gets screwed up, or the team's jerseys don't fit, or the stadium falls down, the president would get fired.

Easy and concise,they way I like it lol. So Smol is also Howies boss

Everybody cries about taking a cap hit for Wentz when we trade him. How about the cap hits running through 2023 for play last season? I’m the only one that cares? Spread that signing bonus over five years. 2018 to try a repeat...I was good with that. Gotta take that shot. But fans just keep thinking Rosie is miraculous with the contracts. He’s been failing there also. Guaranteeing Alshon’s contract didn’t make any sense. Don’t even understand why he did that. Then put on the other hat and tried to trade him immediately after knowing he screwed up. But didn’t pull it off so just created a disgruntled highly paid player. Fail with both hats on that one bad.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK so Smol is basically the head honcho of daily operations NOT associated directly with personnel on the team, but with personnel in every other facet of the business. Is this correct? And if that is the case why would he be in on interviews with TEAM(players/coaches, coaching staff) personnel? 

He's not, at least from any meaningful perspective. The owner might want him there to answer questions about the organization, but the team president is not telling the GM which player to draft or the coach that they should run more power I formations. That's not how things work. 

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

He's not, at least from any meaningful perspective. The owner might want him there to answer questions about the organization, but the team president is not telling the GM which player to draft or the coach that they should run more power I formations. That's not how things work. 

OK cool,that's what I wanted to know. So although Smol is Howies boss, he is technically separated from the decision making as far as team personnel, AKA  he is Howies boss on paper only

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Everybody cries about taking a cap hit for Wentz when we trade him. How about the cap hits running through 2023 for play last season? I’m the only one that cares? Spread that signing bonus over five years. 2018 to try a repeat...I was good with that. Gotta take that shot. But fans just keep thinking Rosie is miraculous with the contracts. He’s been failing there also. Guaranteeing Alshon’s contract didn’t make any sense. Don’t even understand why he did that. Then put on the other hat and tried to trade him immediately after knowing he screwed up. But didn’t pull it off so just created a disgruntled highly paid player. Fail with both hats on that one bad.

IDK bro,if you want to win you have to pay people.If you have zero cap hits you're not going to the SB. Gotta balance the money with winning

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Easy and concise,they way I like it lol. So Smol is also Howies boss

JSB put it very nicely. I think he’s a very smart integral part of the team. So he’s very trusted. Both with nothing will leak and his advice. 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK bro,if you want to win you have to pay people.If you have zero cap hits you're not going to the SB. Gotta balance the money with winning

Of coarse. But if you are mortgaging the franchise by paying people in 2021 for play in 2018. How good can your team be in 2021? It gets especially bad when you are essentially paying for players way over the salary cap(because the cap hit is postponed until the next years)and still suck.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

JSB put it very nicely. I think he’s a very smart integral part of the team. So he’s very trusted. Both with nothing will leak and his advice. 

OK cool,I was trying to discern what,if any "control" Smol had. Apparently he has none on the team player/coach side

Saints were obviously All In. That made sense. Brees at the end of his career. Go for it! But we were doing it to bring back Peters on a bad team.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Of coarse. But if you are mortgaging the franchise by paying people in 2021 for play in 2018. How good can your team be in 2021? It gets especially bad when you are essentially paying for players way over the salary cap(because the cap hit is postponed until the next years)and still suck.

The balance is off because we were supposed to be "contenders" after 2017 and we are not

Alright,thanks all for the Smol input. I can write him off as "no party to the disaster" we face lol

The one thing with Howie Roseman is that there is a lot of evidence that Lurie has started to have a greater say in personnel matters, as evidenced by the fact that Wentz went to Lurie to complain about getting benched, seemingly because he thought the owner would overrule the coach, and the fact that Lurie publicly said they wanted to draft a developmental qb before the draft, which resulted in the Hurts pick.

I am also guessing that Lurie was instrumental in bringing Peters back.

My guess is that this season will serve as a wakeup call for Lurie, and he will step back and let the personnel department do their job without his interference, especially since I think the Wentz mess is his fault.

Roseman has Barwin as a special assistant, so he's the "football guy" people want in the room.

As far as the salary cap, I think we are in much better shape than people realize, and that other teams are much, much worse at handling the cap than we are. It's why they don't hand out trophies to the Browns for carrying over $80 million in cap space every year.   

Of coarse reworking Wentz contract had to be the plan. That isn’t happening now. Do you extend Slay? Hargrave? Graham? Ertz? Barnett? Those are the big money contracts to rework and lower cap by extending especially. Not sure those are good future moves though. Good for 2021 though. So that’s the balance. Gotta fo what’s best for the franchise long term. But like Chipoer said " my contract is three years...so I’m doing everything I can to win as much as I can in that time.” Not necessarily best for the franchise.

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The balance is off because we were supposed to be "contenders" after 2017 and we are not

So this is why I push for rooks at the key more expensive spots rather than pay FA's or re-sign has beens

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Of coarse reworking Wentz contract had to be the plan. That isn’t happening now. Do you extend Slay? Hargrave? Graham? Ertz? Barnett?

I am not sure what the team is thinking, but I would extend Slay because he can always move to safety if he loses a step. I would also extend Hargrave and Graham because they play fewer snaps, so they have longer careers. I would trade Ertz. I would probably trade Barnett as well. He has done enough that he will get $10 million a year, but I don't want to pay him that. Sweat, Graham, a rookie and a cheap vet would be fine with me for next season.

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The one thing with Howie Roseman is that there is a lot of evidence that Lurie has started to have a greater say in personnel matters, as evidenced by the fact that Wentz went to Lurie to complain about getting benched, seemingly because he thought the owner would overrule the coach, and the fact that Lurie publicly said they wanted to draft a developmental qb before the draft, which resulted in the Hurts pick

yeah,I just wish Lurie would go farther and strip Howie of making draft picks or FA picks. Let a football guy do that then tell Howie here's my guy make his contract work

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The one thing with Howie Roseman is that there is a lot of evidence that Lurie has started to have a greater say in personnel matters, as evidenced by the fact that Wentz went to Lurie to complain about getting benched, seemingly because he thought the owner would overrule the coach, and the fact that Lurie publicly said they wanted to draft a developmental qb before the draft, which resulted in the Hurts pick.

I am also guessing that Lurie was instrumental in bringing Peters back.

My guess is that this season will serve as a wakeup call for Lurie, and he will step back and let the personnel department do their job without his interference, especially since I think the Wentz mess is his fault.

Roseman has Barwin as a special assistant, so he's the "football guy" people want in the room.

As far as the salary cap, I think we are in much better shape than people realize, and that other teams are much, much worse at handling the cap than we are. It's why they don't hand out trophies to the Browns for carrying over $80 million in cap space every year.   

Very well put....and fair. Not sure about the Lurie part. You’re right but I think we just might be getting exposed to it a little more now is all. Probably been there the whole time we just didn’t  hear about it. He didn’t have to be in front of the cameras all the time like Jerry Jones. But he’s steadily picked up his exposure to the limelight.

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I would trade Ertz

I would if I'm taking Pitts. If not,I would have to consider keeping him, but I also think Ertz wants more than we would be willing to pay him