Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

And BTW we still would need a BU for him anyway right?

They can sign a cheap vet backup. There's no need to spend a first-round draft pick on one. 

On 2/5/2021 at 11:35 AM, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s a big ask. The D has been neglected!

I dunno, this D could be really good really quick with the right DC if you put a stud CB across from Slay.  Our DLine is every bit as good as Tampa's.

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The downside is that if Hurts is good, you just wasted a first round pick on a qb who is never going to play, and that weakens you at another spot.

Imagine we get to the NFC championship game and can't stop the other team because the safety, corner or LB we should have drafted in the first round is carrying a clipboard on the sideline.

last year didn't we "waste a pick" on Hurts? If Wentz played well he wouldn't have played either

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's another entire season wasted. That why I want a rook QB in here(or 2 as I have it),let them compete. At least you increase the odds of finding a QB. I don't see if we get a decent offer for Wentz how we AVOID taking a QB. You guys want all your eggs in one UNPROVEN basket Thats a recipe for another disaster year. I'm taking Wilson(if there) if not Pitts,then Trask, then shoring up the defense with Moehrig at S then Cox at LB,then adding Weaver to help our pass rush,then I may look at a guy like Grimes at WR(deep class no reason to reach for one).2 CB's with my last 2 picks,both should help us,then taking Mack at RB in FA. Then I will get Brady White(Memphis) as a UDFA QB. Now I have 3 rook QB's,let them compete for the job AND I have NO BIG QB contract for 3-4 years. I can buy alot of FA players with 34. million extra bucks a year for 3-4 years. If Hurts is the best of the 3,by all means start him,but I'm not just handing him the reins without a competition

2021 is a lost year anyway. We aren't going to be contenders. I think most of us are looking at it that way. New coach . Just add as much young talent to learn the new systems as possible. I don’t expect all draft picks to be hits. Be nice if we got half right.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

last year didn't we "waste a pick" on Hurts? If Wentz played well he wouldn't have played either

So we should make the same dumb mistake this year?

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

2021 is a lost year anyway. We aren't going to be contenders. I think most of us are looking at it that way. New coach . Just add as much young talent to learn the new systems as possible. I don’t expect all draft picks to be hits. Be nice if we got half right.

No ,but you can get some coherency and consistency. And by getting 2 more rook QB's you can better the odds of finding one that fits you. Just dropping Hurts in with zero competition MAY set you back a whole nother year. Thats a risk I'm not taking the way this team is and with an all new staff and face it an uncertain O line 

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

So we should make the same dumb mistake this year?

LOL wait,you said "if Hurts is good" But a round 1 guy can't be as good????. maybe they both suck,or maybe they are both good? We need a BU for either guy so we'd have them in place*(and brady White as well)

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

So we should make the same dumb mistake this year?

If it was a dumb mistake why are you talking about starting him?

5 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I dunno, this D could be really good really quick with the right DC if you put a stud CB across from Slay.  Our DLine is every bit as good as Tampa's.

Kind of have to or you miss the best players window. Brandon Graham near the end. Slay near the end. Cox getting past his prime. McLeod the same. What are we talking two three seasons with these guys? But DT we don’t have too much. Hargrave wasn’t great. Who knows if they bring any of the others back(besides Cox obviously)? I really felt like we saw Graham hit the wall this season. He got old around Thanksgiving. I like Sweat...but he can’t play every down durability wise. Gotta monitor his snaps. Do we keep Barnett? Probably gets reworked and extended. But he’s been disappointing. Need a slot corner and a CB2 to go with Slay. Need another LB to go with Singleton. Need a S to go with injured McLeod. Basically need one stud of each position along the defense. But gotta do it fast because the good players are old.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If it was a dumb mistake why are you talking about starting him?

Because starting him is preferable to going through what we just went through with him and Wentz.

I would have rather not drafted Hurts. But since we did, I would rather start him than draft a first round qb.

 

15 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

They can sign a cheap vet backup. There's no need to spend a first-round draft pick on one. 

Great spend more money on old guys. If I have 2 round 1 picks why not spend 1 on a QB? You just want to hand the keys to a guy with no competition(like Wentz wants) after 4 games

8 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I dunno, this D could be really good really quick with the right DC if you put a stud CB across from Slay.  Our DLine is every bit as good as Tampa's.

TB's Linebackers made a huge difference last night. another reason me and a few others want Parsons if available... You get at least 1 solid LB and CB and it makes our defense much better. Not a finished product, but at least something you can work with. Not sure what you do with the other draft picks, but they will also help plug in some other holes. Big thing is not to screw up in the draft! I am not a huge fan of our draft abilities.....

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Because starting him is preferable to going through what we just went through with him and Wentz.

I would have rather not drafted Hurts. But since we did, I would rather start him than draft a first round qb.

 

I could see your point if we only had 1 round 1,but assuming we get a 1 for Wentz, why not take a QB? Doesn't have to be at 6,could be 15,20 and you are "giving" him the job just like we did with Wentz,and now his feelings are hurt and and you want to replicate that identical situation

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Because starting him is preferable to going through what we just went through with him and Wentz.

I would have rather not drafted Hurts. But since we did, I would rather start him than draft a first round qb.

 

If we didn't draft Hurts and we're losing Wentz who is your QB? Now you are FORCED to draft a QB in 1.My way you are PLANNING ahead,which we fail to do

I can't figure out how we want a "QB factory" with no QB's lmao-comical

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2021-free-agency-top-100-free-agents   FWIW

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Great spend more money on old guys. If I have 2 round 1 picks why not spend 1 on a QB? You just want to hand the keys to a guy with no competition(like Wentz wants) after 4 games

  I am leaning with JSB on this one. I want to see what we have in Hurts before we spend a #1 pick on a QB. We have so many areas of need it won't matter if we have the QB this year in Hurts, or next year via the draft. But we will have another piece for this QB, whoever it is. Look, we are not competing for a SB for at least 3 years based on what we have now. Why worry about QB now? Are you certain any of this class is good enough?

   Well, it won't matter what we think anyway. HR always does what he wants. Probably piss off this whole board come April....

12 minutes ago, stine said:

TB's Linebackers made a huge difference last night. another reason me and a few others want Parsons if available... You get at least 1 solid LB and CB and it makes our defense much better. Not a finished product, but at least something you can work with. Not sure what you do with the other draft picks, but they will also help plug in some other holes. Big thing is not to screw up in the draft! I am not a huge fan of our draft abilities.....

They also have an offense that ca move the ball lol

1 minute ago, stine said:

Why worry about QB now? Are you certain any of this class is good enough?

Is next years class good enough?

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I could see your point if we only had 1 round 1,but assuming we get a 1 for Wentz, why not take a QB? Doesn't have to be at 6,could be 15,20 and you are "giving" him the job just like we did with Wentz,and now his feelings are hurt and and you want to replicate that identical situation

 I hear you. But if Hurts does work out, we won't draft a QB in round 1 or Round 2. If he doesn't, than we need a QB. So the situation is not the same IMO...

IDK Stine, I take the talent when it's there. I can't count on next years QB's if Hurts sucks. If we get a 1 for Wentz,doesn't have to be the 6 pick. I  can pick up Trask(our QB coach was his coach in FL,so obviously he know him pretty well) and we'll need a BU for Hurts even if he DOES start. Maybe we get Foles in a deal,thats fine,but that doesn't stop me from taking the talent when it's presented. Like you said,doesn't matter what we think

3 minutes ago, stine said:

 I hear you. But if Hurts does work out, we won't draft a QB in round 1 or Round 2. If he doesn't, than we need a QB. So the situation is not the same IMO...

Well my argument is you are just handing him the reins without any compeition, sink or swim, no BU unless you get an old guy which may last a year,then you are back in the same spot if hurts sucks the following year, only NOW you are FORCED to take a QB first right?

8 minutes ago, stine said:

 I hear you. But if Hurts does work out, we won't draft a QB in round 1 or Round 2. If he doesn't, than we need a QB. So the situation is not the same IMO...

Let's use an EXTREME example.Say Wentz played ok, but we still went 4-11.And Say(for the sake of arguement) that you had first pick.Would you pass on Lawrence because "well we have 2 more years on Wentz's huge contract?

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well my argument is you are just handing him the reins without any compeition, sink or swim, no BU unless you get an old guy which may last a year,then you are back in the same spot if hurts sucks the following year, only NOW you are FORCED to take a QB first right?

Completely disagree.  You have to give Hurts a full year to get a more complete evaluation of him to know exactly what we have in him.  If he craps the bed you draft a QB next year.  Doing so this year is basically throwing in the towel on a high pick made less than a year ago.  Besides, this QB draft class as a whole is just meh.  

16 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Completely disagree.  You have to give Hurts a full year to get a more complete evaluation of him to know exactly what we have in him.  If he craps the bed you draft a QB next year.  Doing so this year is basically throwing in the towel on a high pick made less than a year ago.  Besides, this QB draft class as a whole is just meh.  

LOL sure,you need to give ANY rook a full year to see what you have. Why draft them then? Just give away all your picks for FA's. So in that "test year" you just presented,no competition for him? SInk or swim? No need to get a rook BU for later? I think that thinking is dangerous. Lawrence is MEH? (Yikes) I want my QB to EARN his job,not have it be handed to him(we already have one of those remember?) If he craps the bed you lost a year,maybe the next guy craps the bed and you lose that year. How long do you keep doing that???( the Jets could probably tell you)

Back on the SB. TB was the 4th most penalized team in 2020 regular season. KC was 29th.   Just let that sink in.......