SO, a guy with 4 mickey mouse games automatically blows away any round 1 QB? I'm sorry,not buying it. Basically they are both rooks(regardless of TIME spent on the team he has FOUR GAMES, but he's automatically our future because you know, that 4 game experience just made him head and shoulders above anyone else. That's insanity

IDK, I guess I don't belong on this board, because I use logic lol

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK, I guess I don't belong on this board, because I use logic lol

The logic you are using is somewhat flawed, though. You are assuming that the team will want to draft the Florida qb, and that he will be there at 20 or 21. You are assuming that the team is unsure about Hurts, or that he isn't very good. And you are basically saying that the team should definitely do all those things.

That's not logic, that's preparing to due on a hill over something that isn't really worth it. If the Florida qb is so good, why won't the Redskins, 49ers, Broncos, Panthers or Patriots grab him? If they pass on him, is he good?

24 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL sure,you need to give ANY rook a full year to see what you have. Why draft them then? Just give away all your picks for FA's. So in that "test year" you just presented,no competition for him? SInk or swim? No need to get a rook BU for later? I think that thinking is dangerous. Lawrence is MEH? (Yikes) I want my QB to EARN his job,not have it be handed to him(we already have one of those remember?) If he craps the bed you lost a year,maybe the next guy craps the bed and you lose that year. How long do you keep doing that???( the Jets could probably tell you)

I said "overall" the QB class is just meh.   Lawrence is out of reach - the rest OVERALL are just meh.  Big difference in what I wrote and how you are interpreting it.  We can easily sign a vet QB in free agency that won't cost a fortune (and won't require the need to give up any picks) to serve as a SHORT TERM insurance policy (meaning for just 2021).  The smart move is to not draft a QB high this year - like I said before that basically means you are throwing in the towel on a high pick last year (which seems kind of stupid).  

20 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK, I guess I don't belong on this board, because I use logic lol

15 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The logic you are using is somewhat flawed, though. You are assuming that the team will want to draft the Florida qb, and that he will be there at 20 or 21. You are assuming that the team is unsure about Hurts, or that he isn't very good. And you are basically saying that the team should definitely do all those things.

That's not logic, that's preparing to due on a hill over something that isn't really worth it. If the Florida qb is so good, why won't the Redskins, 49ers, Broncos, Panthers or Patriots grab him? If they pass on him, is he good?

Doesn't have to be Trask, just an example, stop being so literal lol. You are assuming Hurts is the future and that(as usual) NOONE will be there when we pick-EVER

16 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I said "overall" the QB class is just meh.   Lawrence is out of reach - the rest OVERALL are just meh.  Big difference in what I wrote and how you are interpreting it.  We can easily sign a vet QB in free agency that won't cost a fortune (and won't require the need to give up any picks) to serve as a SHORT TERM insurance policy (meaning for just 2021).  The smart move is to not draft a QB high this year - like I said before that basically means you are throwing in the towel on a high pick last year (which seems kind of stupid).  

So you already KNOW the 2022 class will NOT be MEH if Hurts stinks? We've never wasted a "high pick" before? (MS2 RULES!!!!!) Where is our #1 pick Agholor? Jjaw is so awesome we don't need another WR for 2 years. Why do you want competition at every spot EXCEPT QB??

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So you already KNOW the 2022 class will NOT be MEH if Hurts stinks? We've never wasted a "high pick" before? (MS2 RULES!!!!!) Where is our #1 pick Agholor? Jjaw is so awesome we don;t need another WR for 2 years

So throwing away yet another high pick makes it all better?  And obviously we don't know what the 2022 class is yet ... but that doesn't mean you spend a high pick on a meh prospect this year.  I don't really understand your logic at all.  But to each their own.  All I can say is, I'll be extremely disappointed if Howie spends anything more than a 4th rd pick on another QB.  

1 minute ago, time2rock said:

So throwing away yet another high pick makes it all better?  I don't really understand your logic at all.  But to each their own.  All I can say is, I'll be extremely disappointed if Howie spends anything more than a 4th rd pick on another QB.  

SO you are admitting the Hurts pick was a throw away? And you already know that if we took a QB that would be a wasted pick?. We don't have a 4th round pick, so if the round 1 pick is MEH, a 4th round QB pick would be a good pick?

If the Hurts pick was a throw away,why are you starting him?

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SO you are admitting the Hurts pick was a throw away?

I seriously don't know how you come to that conclusion based on what I wrote.  

3 minutes ago, time2rock said:

but that doesn't mean you spend a high pick on a meh prospect this year.

Except this is a really good QB class in 2021 hence why they have 4-5 guys projected to go round 1. 
Lawrence of course leads the pack 

Fields is a stud in his own right 

Zach Wilson is the dark horse to be the best QB in this class

Trey Lance has all the skills needed to be a franchise QB 

4 minutes ago, time2rock said:

So throwing away yet another high pick makes it all better?  I don't really understand your logic at all.  But to each their own.  All I can say is, I'll be extremely disappointed if Howie spends anything more than a 4th rd pick on another QB.  

So Hurts is the future, no need to do anything else.It's all set in stone-got it. We got our QB for the next 4 years. I'm happy to know that

6 minutes ago, time2rock said:

So throwing away yet another high pick makes it all better

 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Except this is a really good QB class in 2021 hence why they have 4-5 guys projected to go round 1. 
Lawrence of course leads the pack 

Fields is a stud in his own right 

Zach Wilson is the dark horse to be the best QB in this class

Trey Lance has all the skills needed to be a franchise QB 

Yep,I take the talent when it's there which is what I said lol

The question again is how does Lurie view Hurts. We are sitting in the top 10 we likely trade our franchise QB away. And this is a good QB class.

If Lurie isn’t sold on Hurts he isn’t going to pass on the opportunity to get a QB just because we spent a 2nd rounder on Hurts last year. No it likely won’t be everyone’s favorite choose but it’s what’s likely to happen 

6 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

The question again is how does Lurie view Hurts. We are sitting in the top 10 we likely trade our franchise QB away. And this is a good QB class.

If Lurie isn’t sold on Hurts he isn’t going to pass on the opportunity to get a QB just because we spent a 2nd rounder on Hurts last year. No it likely won’t be everyone’s favorite choose but it’s what’s likely to happen 

NO NO NO can't do it. We drafted our franchise  QB LAST year. We're good for 4 years. C'mon man!!!!🙄

The worst situation to be in is a team like Chicago or even Indy right now. They are good teams but no QB. Getting stuck in the late 1s trying to find a franchise QB is hard.

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

NO NO NO can't do it. We drafted our franchise  QB LAST year. We're good for 4 years. C'mon man!!!!🙄

You really like twisting words around don’t ya???  I never stated that either.  

It’s rather annoying.  

OK I give up lol

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK, I guess I don't belong on this board, because I use logic lol

Since when?

32 minutes ago, time2rock said:

You really like twisting words around don’t ya???  I never stated that either.  

It’s rather annoying.  

Sorry I annoy you. It just kills me when people say"take the BPA when we pick", then they exclude QB's. To me that's annoying

4 hours ago, stine said:

  I am so glad I did not bet on this game. Perfect example of how Refs can determine the outcome of any game. Yes, most probably were fouls but so many other Offensive holding penalties against TB not called. That PI at the end of the half was total BS. Not only was that incidental contact, but the ball was like 10 yards over his head. How does that get called? There were PI calls ignored against TB. Would TB have won regardless? I have no idea. This game rides a great deal on emotion and momentum. I just would prefer the Refs stay out of the game when they can. Misconduct penalties only against KC when both were started by TB....most times those are ignored

   I lost interest at halftime. I already knew the outcome by then....

I was watching for my squares.  Got screwed multiple times with Tampa 0 and KC 3.  The score by Gronk 37 left cost me the 1st Q, then 2 shots at the score change, Tampa goes for it on 4th,  then they actually make the FG, but offsides... lol.   Can't make that stuff up... ball never makes it to the WR that was " held" and INT called back.  These was some Foles type magic right there.  Lol

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I can't figure out how we want a "QB factory" with no QB's lmao-comical

We don't want one... that was the idiot comment from the front office... " gold standard " 20 years later.   Fantasyland stuff.  

14 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Since when?

Right after I invented dirt

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

We don't want one... that was the idiot comment from the front office... " gold standard " 20 years later.   Fantasyland stuff.  

Isn't that the guy that runs this place?

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That awful TB defense was in Mahomes face ALL night. And Brady did what I said he would be,brought CONSISTENCY to their offense as opposed to hot/cold Winston. Making the intelligent moves that WE can't like picking up Fournette, Brady and AB completed the team they needed

Observation.  A parallel to 3 years ago with our Eagles run.   My concern back then was Big V, not Foles.  I told you Foles won't lose us the game, he may not win it, but if the rest of the team proves to be better, we are fine.

Well the luck for us and Big V. Griffin was playing hurt for Minnesota and James Harrison was collecting a paycheck in New England.   Great matchups for him and he did his job.  Flip it to Tampa this year.  No question great job by the Temple alumni and former head coach... but for sure a huge factor the last 2 games was JPP, who was fortunate to avoid playing against 2 of the best OTs and was able to dominate his matchups vs their backups.  

We know we had issues with our pass defense for years, masked pretty well by our great DL play in 2017.  Absolutely a factor, possibly the biggest factor for Tampa's defensive success the last 2 games.   

But, as I used to joke with my hockey  friend growing up about him on scoring goals a few feet from the net...  his legit response " what do you want me to do, shoot wide on purpose "  ... in that spirit, the team that wins still needs to take advantage if they get an easy situation. Tampa did. As did the Eagles 3 years ago.

49 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

The worst situation to be in is a team like Chicago or even Indy right now. They are good teams but no QB. Getting stuck in the late 1s trying to find a franchise QB is hard.

  Yes you are right. But we don't know what we have. If Hurts is not the answer, chances are we won't be in the play offs next year. (LOL we might not if he is the answer!)So we should have a fairly low draft pick. So getting a QB next year won't be impossible. Will it be the right choice is the question we will be asking. Plus sometimes good QB's are not drafted in round 1. Doesn't happen allot, but it does. I don't have to show you examples as we all know a couple off the top of our heads. Chicago drafts QB's like we draft WR's lol

Really depends on if Wentz goes and what the compensation is. If it's da Bears and we get Foles, then a 1st rd QB isn't a necessity, although I'd like to see it. 

5 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Really depends on if Wentz goes and what the compensation is. If it's da Bears and we get Foles, then a 1st rd QB isn't a necessity, although I'd like to see it. 

IDK just personal opinion that Foles is a FABULUOUS BU. Wasn't a great starter in Jax or Chicago. Perhaps he can shine elsewhere, but I don' think that's here either. He's a great game manager