1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Except this is a really good QB class in 2021 hence why they have 4-5 guys projected to go round 1. 
Lawrence of course leads the pack 

Fields is a stud in his own right 

Zach Wilson is the dark horse to be the best QB in this class

Trey Lance has all the skills needed to be a franchise QB 

  I was not aware that this draft class was so good. I only knew that 1-2 were legit. IF what you are saying is true, maybe the Eagles do draft another. I am not sure that is the right thing to do, but I could understand the logic.

7 minutes ago, stine said:

  I was not aware that this draft class was so good. I only knew that 1-2 were legit. IF what you are saying is true, maybe the Eagles do draft another. I am not sure that is the right thing to do, but I could understand the logic.

I don’t know what the Eagles do but as I stated from the beginning it will all come down to how they view Jalen Hurts. 

5 minutes ago, stine said:

  I was not aware that this draft class was so good. I only knew that 1-2 were legit. IF what you are saying is true, maybe the Eagles do draft another. I am not sure that is the right thing to do, but I could understand the logic.

Always a risk, we all know that. Guys like Manziel don't work out. Darnold is bombing, but you have to take your shots. Some show talent, but maybe not as far along as others in the learning process, but guys with high ceilings you can bring along. Also need to see what kind of offenses they ran in college. Maybe not successful with our type offensive scheme. Some of each type in this draft, so I can't just discount them. Gotta weigh it all out

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

 

Watching what many think is the QB phenom of a lifetime...  run for his life yesterday and put up 9 points with teammates Kelce and Hill.   I'm not sure why anyone would worry about QB in the draft?  Our OL and DL should be huge concerns for the near future.  Especially the DL.  Without Cox and Graham it's brutal.  We have some prospects on our OL, but nothing guaranteed.   

We have Mr. Intangble here already at QB, " the poise in which he eats his food in the cafeteria is amazing " ..that guy is enough for now.  Playoffs, I wouldn't expect it for a while. Probably not while Kelce, Lane,  Brooks, Graham,  Cox or Slay are still here.  So on top of finding guys to play with them, you gotta find their replacements.    

This pathetic division won't last either. The Giants are poised with all their young talent and the RB coming back... Washington with a serviceable QB,and Dak returning to Dallas ... maybe none are legit SB contenders,  but all should be way ahead of us long term. If anything, I could see a little success next year if all the older guys I mentioned play basically the whole season, but should be a dropoff afterwards.   I wouldn't look to draft a QB until some of that gets fixed and Mr. Intangible gets his chance. The young practice squad level guys love him.  They will be happy together,  if they win is another story, but golly shucks, we need to give it a try.

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I don’t know what the Eagles do but as I stated from the beginning it will all come down to how they view Jalen Hurts. 

Looks bad though if they don't give Hurts the shot.    Howie in a tough spot, but won't be popular with how much these guys gravitate to Hurts. 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Watching what many think is the QB phenom of a lifetime...  run for his life yesterday and put up 9 points with teammates Kelce and Hill.   I'm not sure why anyone would worry about QB in the draft?  Our OL and DL should be huge concerns for the near future.  Especially the DL.  Without Cox and Graham it's brutal.  We have some prospects on our OL, but nothing guaranteed.   

We have Mr. Intangble here already at QB, " the poise in which he eats his food in the cafeteria is amazing " ..that guy is enough for now.  Playoffs, I wouldn't expect it for a while. Probably not while Kelce, Lane,  Brooks, Graham,  Cox or Slay are still here.  So on top of finding guys to play with them, you gotta find their replacements.    

This pathetic division won't last either. The Giants are poised with all their young talent and the RB coming back... Washington with a serviceable QB,and Dak returning to Dallas ... maybe none are legit SB contenders,  but all should be way ahead of us long term. If anything, I could see a little success next year if all the older guys I mentioned play basically the whole season, but should be a dropoff afterwards.   I wouldn't look to draft a QB until some of that gets fixed and Mr. Intangible gets his chance. The young practice squad level guys love him.  They will be happy together,  if they win is another story, but golly shucks, we need to give it a try.

Never said Hurts shouldn't get his chance, I just want him to EARN the start, not have it handed to him. Everyone is anointing Hurts as the second coming, not good enough for me. Give me some competition and may the best man start. So, Mahomes sucked one game, but he got his team there didn't he????

Just now, joemas6 said:

Looks bad though if they don't give Hurts the shot.    Howie in a tough spot, but won't be popular with how much these guys gravitate to Hurts. 

Looks bad if we pass on a franchise caliber QB in this draft and Hurts flops as well. Just like it will look bad if Wentz goes off and returns to his old form...

Lots of ways for the FO to look bad 

10 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Looks bad if we pass on a franchise caliber QB in this draft and Hurts flops as well. Just like it will look bad if Wentz goes off and returns to his old form...

Lots of ways for the FO to look bad 

Well, Maybe, just maybe Lurie will finally get the big picture and realize HR is not the man he thinks he is.... If this Draft is another bomb and Wentz returns to form, I cannot see how HR stays in Philly.

30 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Looks bad if we pass on a franchise caliber QB in this draft and Hurts flops as well. Just like it will look bad if Wentz goes off and returns to his old form...

Lots of ways for the FO to look bad 

Yeah... I'm banking on it finally making the lightbulb goes off in Lurie's head.

19 minutes ago, stine said:

Well, Maybe, just maybe Lurie will finally get the big picture and realize HR is not the man he thinks he is.... If this Draft is another bomb and Wentz returns to form, I cannot see how HR stays in Philly.

Couple of years , he will be here in one year still.  Right now the anti Wentz/ pro Hurts PR is here.  We need time to develop the big picture of the soap opera getting in the rear view,  and then people look at the results on the field.  A lot can happen to make him look really bad. 

45 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Never said Hurts shouldn't get his chance, I just want him to EARN the start, not have it handed to him. Everyone is anointing Hurts as the second coming, not good enough for me. Give me some competition and may the best man start. So, Mahomes sucked one game, but he got his team there didn't he????

The team likes Hurts... they really really like him.  I mean really really really like him.  Howie drafting a QB, not going to be popular.  Does the new guy have a chance with the locker room so behind Hurts?   

As for Mahomes... does he take his team there if he had that OL from yesterday,  except even worse...the whole season.  

Just had this conversation with a friend, remembering when we were kids and we all knew it was about the better team... today all about the coach and the QB, they get all the credit or blame,  depending on the agenda.  Mahomes talk of now he can't catch Brady...lol.  Dude got a dose of reality yesterday that you don't just have all the tools at your disposal all the time. 

This article is somewhat interesting. It polled some writers from other teams to gauge their interest in Wentz.

Gauging the Carson Wentz trade market - Bleeding Green Nation

To me it showed two things. The first is that these writers are somewhat delusional. One suggested that their team should get a pick for taking Wentz's contract. Which is simply dumb. A Bears writer said he would be fine trading a third round pick.

The second thing it showed is that wherever Wentz goes, he is walking into a hornet's nest. The minimum price is going to be a top 10 pick (from the Panthers or Broncos) or a first plus more picks/players (Bears, Colts.) If the Eagles don't get that price, they would be foolish to trade Wentz at all.

So if the media in other cities view Wentz as being worth significantly less than that, what do you think happens when a trade goes through? He is going to be dead before OTAs even begin. And the pressure on him will be much worse than here.

Wentz is truly being an idiot about this situation. His best opportunity for success is here. The team hired a staff that will implement an offense built around his strengths (and probably similar to one he would have in Indy) with a supporting cast that will be much improved next year. The Colts were extremely healthy on offense last year, and lost their left tackle to retirement. So Wentz is highly unlikely to be an upgrade over Rivers.

This situation is just odd all the way around.  

16 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Wentz is truly being an idiot about this situation. His best opportunity for success is here.

Except he is now tainted. He would have to be faultless in his return and any mistakes he made would be magnified(unfair but that's how I see it presently). yeah very odd how this was all handled, but here we are lol

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Except he is now tainted. He would have to be faultless in his return and any mistakes he made would be magnified(unfair but that's how I see it presently). yeah very odd how this was all handled, but here we are lol

The strange this is that I think he had a relatively easy go of things here. Everyone pretty much blames the Front Office/Coaches for the team's struggles, and just looking at the "see what Mahomes looks like with backups tackles in the game" comments from last night indicates that he was getting a pass from most fans for last season.

How do you think people in Chicago will react the first time he airmails a pass after giving up a first round pick for him? And the division is much better. The Packers and the Vikings are much better than the Redskins and Cowboys. So it's not like he is going to waltz to the playoffs.

Indy has a better team, but they also got really good qb play from Rivers. So I don't see him having an easy go of it in either place.

I have a feeling that we are all seeing a stubborn side to him that was locked away behind closed doors for so long. Demanding a trade right now is just a horrible idea, and he has no idea what he is in for if he goes somewhere else and struggles. They boo in Indy, too.

39 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Never said Hurts shouldn't get his chance, I just want him to EARN the start, not have it handed to him. Everyone is anointing Hurts as the second coming, not good enough for me. Give me some competition and may the best man start. So, Mahomes sucked one game, but he got his team there didn't he????

Thank you bro...we may disagree politically on SOME issues.  We share this code...EARN the start. I got NO doubt LOL😂😂Hurts knows he has to EARN the start PLUS😇.

IMO..Doug undermined Hurts when he became the Hottest Young QB.in the NFL for a few games. Some of those loses Doug went from what was winning the game to a PASS pass pass and we will lose methodology.Peedys manuipliations became blatantly apparent in the Washington game. What was also apparent he had to derail Hurts early trajectory of success because of Carson and the Eagles contract commitment.   

What is at issue ....Privilege...VS earning your way... Wentz was crap last yr. If Wentz said TODAY he intended to come back... Y'all really think Hurts would be given a chance to win the job...with Wentz Eagles contract...Wentz would have to SUCK worse than last yr...for Hurts or who ever comes in getting a REAL chance to succeed if Wentz is still here. 

Whatever his reasons Wentz was paid like a franchise QB and groomed for success. If all it took was a rookie " Running QB" 😂😂😂 to force our 150 MILLION dollar franchise to lose his Desire to compete in Philly. 😂😂😂 SMH. Please SHIP his As$ wherever he wants. I love Wentz but you don't want to play for my city.... Kick Rocks...hahaha😂😂😂😂...DON'T let the door hit....u know what...on your way out.

42 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This article is somewhat interesting. It polled some writers from other teams to gauge their interest in Wentz.

Gauging the Carson Wentz trade market - Bleeding Green Nation

To me it showed two things. The first is that these writers are somewhat delusional. One suggested that their team should get a pick for taking Wentz's contract. Which is simply dumb. A Bears writer said he would be fine trading a third round pick.

The second thing it showed is that wherever Wentz goes, he is walking into a hornet's nest. The minimum price is going to be a top 10 pick (from the Panthers or Broncos) or a first plus more picks/players (Bears, Colts.) If the Eagles don't get that price, they would be foolish to trade Wentz at all.

So if the media in other cities view Wentz as being worth significantly less than that, what do you think happens when a trade goes through? He is going to be dead before OTAs even begin. And the pressure on him will be much worse than here.

Wentz is truly being an idiot about this situation. His best opportunity for success is here. The team hired a staff that will implement an offense built around his strengths (and probably similar to one he would have in Indy) with a supporting cast that will be much improved next year. The Colts were extremely healthy on offense last year, and lost their left tackle to retirement. So Wentz is highly unlikely to be an upgrade over Rivers.

This situation is just odd all the way around.  

  Well, not every city is as demanding as Philly. Indy would probably be much less pressure than here or Chicago IMO... Plus I would think Reich would be able to throw it on his shoulders to some extent. But it is interesting that others see Wentz worth much less than we do. OF course, What happens if no one offers a first? Do we keep him? I think that water has passed under the bridge. HR is going to trade him. Just a matter of getting all he can. So the fact multiple teams are interested helps him allot.

4 hours ago, stine said:

  I am leaning with JSB on this one. I want to see what we have in Hurts before we spend a #1 pick on a QB. We have so many areas of need it won't matter if we have the QB this year in Hurts, or next year via the draft. But we will have another piece for this QB, whoever it is. Look, we are not competing for a SB for at least 3 years based on what we have now. Why worry about QB now? Are you certain any of this class is good enough?

   Well, it won't matter what we think anyway. HR always does what he wants. Probably piss off this whole board come April....

Come April?

4 minutes ago, stine said:

What happens if no one offers a first? Do we keep him? I think that water has passed under the bridge. HR is going to trade him. Just a matter of getting all he can. So the fact multiple teams are interested helps him allot.

Yeah, from every report that is out there, he is going to get dealt. And the price is going to be at least a first round pick, so there's a fan base out there waiting to be bitterly disappointed.

What sucks is that, if Wentz had been clearer with the team about wanting out, we could have kept Doug and Press, as Doug wanted to move forward with Hurts anyway. And I thought his playcalling was much better when Hurts was in the game, which indicates that Wentz was unwilling to run his offense.

Instead, we bent over backwards for Wentz, who then threw a fit anyway.  

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I can't figure out how we want a "QB factory" with no QB's lmao-comical

If we trade Wentz. Use Hurts. Draft a guy to learn. Trade one of them after you sign Hurts to his new deal. What would you call that?

44 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This article is somewhat interesting. It polled some writers from other teams to gauge their interest in Wentz.

Gauging the Carson Wentz trade market - Bleeding Green Nation

To me it showed two things. The first is that these writers are somewhat delusional. One suggested that their team should get a pick for taking Wentz's contract. Which is simply dumb. A Bears writer said he would be fine trading a third round pick.

The second thing it showed is that wherever Wentz goes, he is walking into a hornet's nest. The minimum price is going to be a top 10 pick (from the Panthers or Broncos) or a first plus more picks/players (Bears, Colts.) If the Eagles don't get that price, they would be foolish to trade Wentz at all.

So if the media in other cities view Wentz as being worth significantly less than that, what do you think happens when a trade goes through? He is going to be dead before OTAs even begin. And the pressure on him will be much worse than here.

Wentz is truly being an idiot about this situation. His best opportunity for success is here. The team hired a staff that will implement an offense built around his strengths (and probably similar to one he would have in Indy) with a supporting cast that will be much improved next year. The Colts were extremely healthy on offense last year, and lost their left tackle to retirement. So Wentz is highly unlikely to be an upgrade over Rivers.

This situation is just odd all the way around.  

Do you remember...

THEY DON'T LIKE US AND WE DONT CARE.

When it comes to Philly there are very few that talk about us positively. Most really piggy back off the fake news about our team. Like you said they lowball our talent and publicly politic against us getting fair value. Wentz is worth as much as Deshaun Watson IMO. It is the same playbook they use say with the Draft... how many previously unknown facts mysteriously get uncovered a week before the draft that suddenly causes players to fall.

I truly had high hopes for Carson, still believe he could be a great talent. Disappointed at how this played out. Amazed at the regression of a 5th yr player that I defended for years as a top 5 talent in this league...The a Truth about Wentz will come out .

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Couple of years , he will be here in one year still.  Right now the anti Wentz/ pro Hurts PR is here.  We need time to develop the big picture of the soap opera getting in the rear view,  and then people look at the results on the field.  A lot can happen to make him look really bad. 

I don't often inquire about where you're getting this Anti Wentz / pro Hurts PR from... The same people that disliked the Wentz pick from the DRAFT.... are the same Anti Wentz people today.  Hurts was relegated to a bench player status after one of the hottest rookie QB starts in league history....Then our X Coach realized our 150million man was Tooo expensive to keep on the bench.  Hurts could not be allowed to shine....had to be downgraded with bad play calling ... that led to losses that put Hurts back on the bench. So yea Joe I'm buying. "A lot can happen to make him look really bad.". Maybe the New Coaches are really in on Hurts but Peedy made sure Hurts will STILL have to prove himself to us fans. And EARN It. 

57 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This article is somewhat interesting. It polled some writers from other teams to gauge their interest in Wentz.

Gauging the Carson Wentz trade market - Bleeding Green Nation

To me it showed two things. The first is that these writers are somewhat delusional. One suggested that their team should get a pick for taking Wentz's contract. Which is simply dumb. A Bears writer said he would be fine trading a third round pick.

The second thing it showed is that wherever Wentz goes, he is walking into a hornet's nest. The minimum price is going to be a top 10 pick (from the Panthers or Broncos) or a first plus more picks/players (Bears, Colts.) If the Eagles don't get that price, they would be foolish to trade Wentz at all.

So if the media in other cities view Wentz as being worth significantly less than that, what do you think happens when a trade goes through? He is going to be dead before OTAs even begin. And the pressure on him will be much worse than here.

Wentz is truly being an idiot about this situation. His best opportunity for success is here. The team hired a staff that will implement an offense built around his strengths (and probably similar to one he would have in Indy) with a supporting cast that will be much improved next year. The Colts were extremely healthy on offense last year, and lost their left tackle to retirement. So Wentz is highly unlikely to be an upgrade over Rivers.

This situation is just odd all the way around.  

Wow, a lot to digest there.

I will offer my opinion.   I  almost spit out my water reading " his best chance is here"  I mean, you watched the team last year right?  Compared to Indy, you think here is a better chance to succeed?  Maybe if the LG, C, RG and RT joined the LT in retirement,  then it would be close, but right now, worlds apart.

2. They hired a coaching staff for him?  Like the guy in Indy that he already knows and had MVP level success?

3.  Rivers played a great mental game, he controls a lot at the line.  The style Wentz is used to playing , but got crucified here for " changing plays"  but Rivers had limited arm and no mobility. They could expand that playbook with Wentz.   

4.  5 time National champion in college, watching a team get worse each year... compared to going to an 11 win team?   With his favorite coach personally and the most success on the field. 

Our team is a dumpster fire of talent, cap space...and Howie is here.  Indy by far is a better situation.  They are prime to make a push to contend.   Any athlete should want that.  What is the alternative for the Indy fan... they need a QB, not pick 21.  They have been missing that QB to make them take that jump.  Why not take the chance, nothing to lose except staying borderline playoff level.   

After seeing Mahomes last , everyone realizes it wasn't his fault ..  but if it was here, for sure it gets dumped on our QB..   he got paid, he needs to pull off miracles.   

The locker room is another thing.  Look at it, old guys and young guys, nothing around Wentz age. The old guys like him, they were here, they know they have a ring that without him, they never get.   Not the same with the young guys.  With a dumpster fire of an OL, Hurts is better. There is no turning back now... Howie with his head up his ass created this, simply by the stark difference in everything about the 2 of them. He got cocky being smartest guy in the room, thinking he could get a backup QB cheap for a few years, run some trick plays and then sell him later.

I agree with some of what you said, but no shot is it better here for Wentz.  Not on the field and not in the locker room with all the older guys he relates to leaving.  

38 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Wow, a lot to digest there.

I will offer my opinion.   I  almost spit out my water reading " his best chance is here"  I mean, you watched the team last year right?  Compared to Indy, you think here is a better chance to succeed?  Maybe if the LG, C, RG and RT joined the LT in retirement,  then it would be close, but right now, worlds apart.

Indy had a dream season. They had one injury on the oline, and that player was in for over 60 percent of the snaps. Other than that, everyone was largely healthy, or the injuries they had were to positions where they had plenty of depth (WR, RB.).

Rivers was way above average as a qb. So above average qb play and no real major injuries got them 11 wins and a playoff loss.

So you are saying that Wentz is automatically going to go in there are improve on that?

If he does go to Indy, I would be willing to bet a not insignificant amount of money that we will improve our win total next season more than the Colts improve their win total.

The Colts and the Bears are stuck. Both teams would probably sell their souls for Watson, but Houston isn't budging. So Wentz will probably end up on one of those teams. But he is walking into a crap situation wherever he goes. 

3 hours ago, stine said:

Well, Maybe, just maybe Lurie will finally get the big picture and realize HR is not the man he thinks he is.... If this Draft is another bomb and Wentz returns to form, I cannot see how HR stays in Philly.

I’m thinking we kind of need to suck one more year. We need last years young guys to step up. This looks to be a big draft class for us. Huge infusion this year. Get those quality selections next year in the draft....and can bring in FA again. Huge infusion of youth joined to the final swan song of some of these older good vets. 2022 try and start making a run. 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

So you are saying that Wentz is automatically going to go in there are improve on that?

If he does go to Indy, I would be willing to bet a not insignificant amount of money that we will improve our win total next season more than the Colts improve their win total.

The Colts and the Bears are stuck. Both teams would probably sell their souls for Watson, but Houston isn't budging. So Wentz will probably end up on one of those teams. But he is walking into a crap situation wherever he goes. 

Honestly both spots are drastically better then here for Wentz.

Coaching- I’d give edge to both Bears/Colts over us 

WRs- give the edge to Bears/Colts over our guys right now 

RBs-again both Colts and bears beat us with there duos

OL- is the one possible edge we could have and that’s if they stay healthy

TE- With Ertz likely gone I’d say a push with the bears slight edge over the Colts