3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If we trade Wentz. Use Hurts. Draft a guy to learn. Trade one of them after you sign Hurts to his new deal. What would you call that?

4 games, so now Hurts is a seasoned pro?? Thats pretty amazing. If that's the case I'm drafting 10 QB's with my picks and trading them after 4 games for whatever else I need because I have 11 seasoned pro QB's on my squad. That should equate to 10 round 1 picks, ok I will settle for 6 round 1's and 4 round 2's next year-AWESOME

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

he got paid, he needs to pull off miracles.

Well he got to the big dance and we were 4-11-1. IDK if that's a miracle,but it's way better than what we did

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Indy had a dream season. They had one injury on the oline, and that player was in for over 60 percent of the snaps. Other than that, everyone was largely healthy, or the injuries they had were to positions where they had plenty of depth (WR, RB.).

Rivers was way above average as a qb. So above average qb play and no real major injuries got them 11 wins and a playoff loss.

So you are saying that Wentz is automatically going to go in there are improve on that?

If he does go to Indy, I would be willing to bet a not insignificant amount of money that we will improve our win total next season more than the Colts improve their win total.

The Colts and the Bears are stuck. Both teams would probably sell their souls for Watson, but Houston isn't budging. So Wentz will probably end up on one of those teams. But he is walking into a crap situation wherever he goes. 

Wow... so we win 6 games... you are really going out on a limb saying the Colts don't win 13 aren't you.  Lol.   Indy is a good young team, 7 wins more than the Eagles.   Rivers maxed out what he had... if you don't see the limits to his play as he got older, I don't know what to tell you.  But without a QB, and Indy is not getting Watson..  they have nothing to lose.  The mindset of any team should be nothing short of winning it all. Fear of winning 10 games or 9 games or do we sneak in the playoffs or not, that's loser mindset.  If Wentz goes to Indy and they lose in the AFC title game... still should be looked at as failure.   What you are saying he should be happy to come back and fight to win a job for a team that stinks. But if they win 6 or 7 games,  it's better for him.  Doesn't dawn on you by now he doesn't care about public perception,  he may just want to win?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m thinking we kind of need to suck one more year. We need last years young guys to step up. This looks to be a big draft class for us. Huge infusion this year. Get those quality selections next year in the draft....and can bring in FA again. Huge infusion of youth joined to the final swan song of some of these older good vets. 2022 try and start making a run. 

Yeah... 2022 looks to be a prime year for Kelce, Graham, Brooks, Lane, Cox and Slay.  Age 32 to 36 is football prime, a couple of infusions,  maybe cucumber infused or coconut infused water might do the trick. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m thinking we kind of need to suck one more year. We need last years young guys to step up. This looks to be a big draft class for us. Huge infusion this year. Get those quality selections next year in the draft....and can bring in FA again. Huge infusion of youth joined to the final swan song of some of these older good vets. 2022 try and start making a run. 

I don't think we'll have a problem sucking 1 more year 🤣. My hope for the next season is to go .500. That would be a win for me. Gnats looking like they could win the division next year, Dullaz should be better than us. We may hold our own with the no names. No miracle season expected. Siri will evaluate Hurts. I'm going to go watch more vids of him. Right now he reminds me more of Brissett than he does Rivers and I don't see Brissett starting anywhere. Maybe the vids will prove me wrong. I can still learn. It depends on Siri's evaluation. I'm wondering if Siri is having any input on WHO he wants Howie to trade for, or if Howie just makes the trade and says TOUGH, here's your QB. If Siri has any input, I don't see him head over heels for Foles. If I was Siri I would lean more towards more multiple picks than I would a pick and another QB. But we shall see

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah... 2022 looks to be a prime year for Kelce, Graham, Brooks, Lane, Cox and Slay.  Age 32 to 36 is football prime, a couple of infusions,  maybe cucumber infused or coconut infused water might do the trick. 

Ensure🤣

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Wow, a lot to digest there.

I will offer my opinion.   I  almost spit out my water reading " his best chance is here"  I mean, you watched the team last year right?  Compared to Indy, you think here is a better chance to succeed?  Maybe if the LG, C, RG and RT joined the LT in retirement,  then it would be close, but right now, worlds apart.

2. They hired a coaching staff for him?  Like the guy in Indy that he already knows and had MVP level success?

3.  Rivers played a great mental game, he controls a lot at the line.  The style Wentz is used to playing , but got crucified here for " changing plays"  but Rivers had limited arm and no mobility. They could expand that playbook with Wentz.   

4.  5 time National champion in college, watching a team get worse each year... compared to going to an 11 win team?   With his favorite coach personally and the most success on the field. 

Our team is a dumpster fire of talent, cap space...and Howie is here.  Indy by far is a better situation.  They are prime to make a push to contend.   Any athlete should want that.  What is the alternative for the Indy fan... they need a QB, not pick 21.  They have been missing that QB to make them take that jump.  Why not take the chance, nothing to lose except staying borderline playoff level.   

After seeing Mahomes last , everyone realizes it wasn't his fault ..  but if it was here, for sure it gets dumped on our QB..   he got paid, he needs to pull off miracles.   

The locker room is another thing.  Look at it, old guys and young guys, nothing around Wentz age. The old guys like him, they were here, they know they have a ring that without him, they never get.   Not the same with the young guys.  With a dumpster fire of an OL, Hurts is better. There is no turning back now... Howie with his head up his ass created this, simply by the stark difference in everything about the 2 of them. He got cocky being smartest guy in the room, thinking he could get a backup QB cheap for a few years, run some trick plays and then sell him later.

I agree with some of what you said, but no shot is it better here for Wentz.  Not on the field and not in the locker room with all the older guys he relates to leaving.  

I don’t agree necessarily that the Colts offense is an improvement. TY Hilton is a FA. Their LT retired. They have Pittman at WR. Taylor and Nyiems are a good RB combo. Biggest thing is they have cap room. But that’s essentially a one year issue for us mostly.

IDK we can A) rebuild the line with a pocket passer, or B) we can groom running QB's and hope he can run and throw. SMH

Sun 1/3	vsWSH	L 20-14	7	20	72	35.0	3.6	0	1	30	1	25.4	42.5
Sun 12/27	@DAL	L 37-17	21	39	342	53.8	8.8	1	2	81	3	70.7	19.4
Sun 12/20	@ARI	L 33-26	24	44	338	54.5	7.7	3	0	42	6	102.3	60.6
Sun 12/13	vsNO	W 24-21	17	30	167	56.7	5.6	1	0	39	0	83.6	60.5
Sun 12/6	@GB	L 30-16	5	12	109	41.7	9.1	1	1	34	3	67.7	30.2

4.5 game stats for the anointed "seasoned" pro. Not real impressive,but we're used to sucking lol

59 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Honestly both spots are drastically better then here for Wentz.

Coaching- I’d give edge to both Bears/Colts over us 

WRs- give the edge to Bears/Colts over our guys right now 

RBs-again both Colts and bears beat us with there duos

OL- is the one possible edge we could have and that’s if they stay healthy

TE- With Ertz likely gone I’d say a push with the bears slight edge over the Colts 

How about defense?   And I would take their left guard and play with 3 other OL and still take it over our 5.   At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Kelce retires.  Couldn't have been fun for him last year physically or mentally.   Even if he does come back and so does Brooks and Lane..  age and injury could end up causing them to fizzle.    I'm with you on the other positions for sure.  TE to me is tough though, because you can say we have the best guy, but as a unit, do we block, catch and run with the ball better?  Tricky position to judge impact on game because teams use players differently. But yeah I like Goedert.  

The advantage Indy has.. they have plenty of cap space. So they can add vets to their team, not so much here or Chicago.  Big X factor

Colts were 14th in passing yards with those guys 

Colts were 11th in rushing yards behind us two spots

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t agree necessarily that the Colts offense is an improvement. TY Hilton is a FA. Their LT retired. They have Pittman at WR. Taylor and Nyiems are a good RB combo. Biggest thing is they have cap room. But that’s essentially a one year issue for us mostly.

What are we watching last year as Eagles fans ... even with Mr intangibles at QB ... our offense was bad.  Indy has a good offense.  It's not close.  They are young too.  TY a free agent,  why won't he go back?  Regardless, better than here as their young guys are already infused in NFL level ball, where we have question marks all over.  

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Colts were 11th in rushing yards behind us two spots

Take away QB yards ..  how does it look? 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

What are we watching last year as Eagles fans ... even with Mr intangibles at QB ... our offense was bad.  Indy has a good offense.  It's not close.  They are young too.  TY a free agent,  why won't he go back?  Regardless, better than here as their young guys are already infused in NFL level ball, where we have question marks all over.  

Take away QB yards ..  how does it look? 

They were a middle of the road offense. They have to resign TY or lose him. Lost their LT.
We had a bunch of injuries at Oline . Tons of youth at WR.  

3 hours ago, Trini said:

I don't often inquire about where you're getting this Anti Wentz / pro Hurts PR from... The same people that disliked the Wentz pick from the DRAFT.... are the same Anti Wentz people today.  Hurts was relegated to a bench player status after one of the hottest rookie QB starts in league history....Then our X Coach realized our 150million man was Tooo expensive to keep on the bench.  Hurts could not be allowed to shine....had to be downgraded with bad play calling ... that led to losses that put Hurts back on the bench. So yea Joe I'm buying. "A lot can happen to make him look really bad.". Maybe the New Coaches are really in on Hurts but Peedy made sure Hurts will STILL have to prove himself to us fans. And EARN It. 

Are you paying attention to articles and media talk ... the PR or " leaks" " anonymous sources " stuff.  

I give the Colts D the nod. The have cap space. But I don’t see anything grand about going there personnel wise on offense. Pretty middling.

But if we trade Wentz. Use Hurts and draft a guy to learn. Sign Hurts to a new deal and then trade him or the guy we are developing. Wouldn’t we be the QB factory?

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They were a middle of the road offense. They have to resign TY or lose him. Lost their LT.
We had a bunch of injuries at Oline . Tons of youth at WR.  

And a huge gap... plus defense.  A QB can also look at defense if look at the whole situation as far as winning.   Injuries to Graham or Cox put our defense in a huge hole.  Lots of work to do to catch up to the Colts.   Honestly, if we don't finish in last place, I think our new coach probably did a great job.  Injuries to Dak and Barkley ...and if Washington just gets a decent QB... lots of work for us to do.  It's all on Howie... was Doug and Wentz's fault not his.  

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I give the Colts D the nod. The have cap space. But I don’t see anything grand about going there personnel wise on offense. Pretty middling.

if you think you are a good QB .... the difference between " middling" and dumpster fire ...is huge.  You can work with middling.  

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But if we trade Wentz. Use Hurts and draft a guy to learn. Sign Hurts to a new deal and then trade him or the guy we are developing. Wouldn’t we be the QB factory?

Why am I signing Hurts to a new deal with time left on his rook contract? With no competition for the job?

I opened a can of worms here that have ended up all over the floor.

The discussion isn't whether the Colts are a better spot head to head. It's whether or not Wentz will be in a better spot staying here or being traded there for a first round pick plus whatever else it takes.

Their fans don't want him for that price, and he will have to play really well to justify the trade, putting more pressure on himself, which he hasn't handled great up to now.

If he gets traded to them, the expectation is winning playoff games, something he has never done, whereas here it will be likely be a winning record, which he has.

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But if we trade Wentz. Use Hurts and draft a guy to learn. Sign Hurts to a new deal and then trade him or the guy we are developing. Wouldn’t we be the QB factory?

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/eagles-appear-all-in-on-jalen-hurts-as-the-starting-qb-this-season?fbclid=IwAR0jb3h6tVBaZS2zW4UhffV-knJLJw8jWxqHgjfDoEoX3nwxYS0a5fkr

What do you think about this one.... why I didn't follow you with blaming Wentz for Doug getting fired?   Doug, Duce and Wentz gone... seems all have one guy as their main issue, not sure why it's hard to see.  Especially during the season, you could tell Doug isn't a fan of the read option college gimmick style.  

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why am I signing Hurts to a new deal with time left on his rook contract? With no competition for the job?

At the end of his contract. Year four giving him an extension. Working on developing a rookie during that time.

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I opened a can of worms here that have ended up all over the floor.

The discussion isn't whether the Colts are a better spot head to head. It's whether or not Wentz will be in a better spot staying here or being traded there for a first round pick plus whatever else it takes.

Their fans don't want him for that price, and he will have to play really well to justify the trade, putting more pressure on himself, which he hasn't handled great up to now.

If he gets traded to them, the expectation is winning playoff games, something he has never done, whereas here it will be likely be a winning record, which he has.

They’ve only won one playoff game 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

At the end of his contract. Year four giving him an extension. Working on developing a rookie during that time.

That's 2 years away. Can we get some competition in here? "get a guy to learn". Is Hurts all seasoned after 4.5 "average" games?