3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Facing adversity in college by being benched and then being called on in the big game and delivering works on any level of football. That’s how he handled things. What kind of man is he. Fast, smart, , showing steady improvement through hard work and coach-ability in college ....that stuff translates to the NFL. All the list I just made in that earlier post. Those I already can rely on him for.

Character doesn't replace talent.     My parents have great stories immigrating from Italy and all those hardships, I don't need dad to be my QB though.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Facing adversity in college by being benched and then being called on in the big game and delivering works on any level of football. That’s how he handled things. What kind of man is he. Fast, smart, , showing steady improvement through hard work and coach-ability in college ....that stuff translates to the NFL. All the list I just made in that earlier post. Those I already can rely on him for.

How do Heisman trophy winners translate to the NFL lately?   I'm seriously asking, I don't watch college.  I know Tebow and Charlie Ward were Heisman winners.  I believe Matt Reinhart too? Vince Young college stud.   I know Foles has a great story... even came back to play well in a big game at the NFL level... don't really think he is an NFL starter though.   Seems like the Howie I still use the EMB's #1 Cliche is being drunk.  Ironic for who it is drinking it.

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Good story.  I think the one I just told you is the truth, not local BS media looking for soap opera stuff.. more sports journalism.  But let me ask you... the issue was 2020 ... who was Wentz favoring?  Wasn't Ertz that's for sure.    But you know for sure Wentz went to complain about Doug?  What is your source there?   Sure seemed like Doug was favoring Wentz over Hurts to me.  Seemed like the draft pick, putting Hurts in as #2, using him for gimmicks was all Howie.   Did QB and coach butt heads, I'm sure.  Would any idiot watching the game realize that the bigger problem was our musical chairs lineup that both had to work with... yeah.    It is easy to see where player who was supposed to get the ball having an agenda to out Wentz if he didn't get it... as compared to coach being used to QB changing plays?     

Really... can't see why it's hard to see why everyone had their biggest issue with Howie.... and why both could easily blame him for the results of 2020 more so than each other or themselves.  I don't think either thought this was a good situation as far as winning.... the other stuff would be worth putting up with if it was.  Winning cures all, people will sacrifice money to win, playing time to win, control to win... whatever.  Little things can become issues if you lose.    For example.... Jenkins leaves unhappy due to contract where they lied and never tried to resign him for anything real.... not an issue if we replace him and win.  Ertz in a yelling match with Howie while they are looking to have a players only meeting.... it;s an issue when you are the GM of a crappy roster.     It's obvious stuff here, not a good work environment, not for a veteran player, not worth the effort... move on.  

 BTW... all stuff I mentioned is well documented.. not " sources"  Duce isn't leaving happy either.   Jenkins thanked everyone but Howie in his goodbye.  Not rocket science.  Sometimes the simple answer is the answer.    

Ertz being our top pass catching weapon and not having his head in the game really had a huge factor on a terrible season for Wentz. I think Ertz was the biggest disappointment this season. I’m sure Wentz and Pedey’s relationship got worse as this terrible season unfolded.

 Rosie wouldn’t give Jenkins the new contract is it’s own reason to not thank him. Many think Jenkins was shown the door over Wentz. Give Wentz the loudest voice of leadership and turn the team over to him. So Wentz got Jenkins fired here also. Rosie did it for him.

LOL.. haven't seen that edit in a while

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Ertz being our top pass catching weapon and not having his head in the game really had a huge factor on a terrible season for Wentz. I think Ertz was the biggest disappointment this season. I’m sure Wentz and Pedey’s relationship got worse as this terrible season unfolded.

 Rosie wouldn’t give Jenkins the new contract is it’s own reason to not thank him. Many think Jenkins was shown the door over Wentz. Give Wentz the loudest voice of leadership and turn the team over to him. So Wentz got Jenkins fired here also. Rosie did it for him.

Didn;t Ertz miss like 8 games?   Didn;t have the rest of his body in there either.... which to me was the biggest problems... the bodies that were in the game.... the tools Doug and Wentz had to work with.  

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ertz being our top pass catching weapon and not having his head in the game really had a huge factor on a terrible season for Wentz. I think Ertz was the biggest disappointment this season. I’m sure Wentz and Pedey’s relationship got worse as this terrible season unfolded.

 Rosie wouldn’t give Jenkins the new contract is it’s own reason to not thank him. Many think Jenkins was shown the door over Wentz. Give Wentz the loudest voice of leadership and turn the team over to him. So Wentz got Jenkins fired here also. Rosie did it for him.

What was wrong in SF this year?    With another team... kinda obvious ... no soap opera explanation.  Why does there need to be one here?

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Character doesn't replace talent.     My parents have great stories immigrating from Italy and all those hardships, I don't need dad to be my QB though.

He’s very athletic and talented. Talent alone doesn’t work without character either though.

Wentz got everybody fired..... who are these many and what are their agendas.... like I said... soon enough you will blame him for Covid.  It's good, it's what Howie wants.  

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s very athletic and talented. Talent alone doesn’t work without character either though.

Mahomes had both... how did that work yesterday without the talent on the OL?   Or were those guys on the OL missing character?  

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

How do Heisman trophy winners translate to the NFL lately?   I'm seriously asking, I don't watch college.  I know Tebow and Charlie Ward were Heisman winners.  I believe Matt Reinhart too? Vince Young college stud.   I know Foles has a great story... even came back to play well in a big game at the NFL level... don't really think he is an NFL starter though.   Seems like the Howie I still use the EMB's #1 Cliche is being drunk.  Ironic for who it is drinking it.

Derrick Henry 2015 ...total stud

Lamar Jackson 2016....MVP

Baker mayfield 2017...pretty good you’d say at least 

Kyler Murphy 2018....looking really good most thinking he’s a year away

Joe Burrow 2019.....looking good before injury

 

 

I got it... Reid's son getting into the car accident wasmore of a reason for KC brutal offense... not the backup OL not having enough talent?    Doesn;t fit the soap opera to just be the talent?  

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Derrick Henry 2015 ...total stud

Lamar Jackson 2016....MVP

Baker mayfield 2017...pretty good you’d say at least 

Kyler Murphy 2018....looking really good most thinking he’s a year away

Joe Burrow 2019.....looking good before injury

 

 

I'll take the first guy and the last guy.  The second guy and the 4th guy... that style doesn't translate in the playoffs.... forget team results... just look at Baltimore offense.   Murray, I saw Hopkins bail him out a few games, seemed like hollow yards in the Eagles game.  good gimmick for now.   Mayfield, IDK... jury still out for me.   In all of those cases... I'm sure you would say that teammates had an effect on their play?  Talented or lack of talented teammates???? 

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Didn;t Ertz miss like 8 games?   Didn;t have the rest of his body in there either.... which to me was the biggest problems... the bodies that were in the game.... the tools Doug and Wentz had to work with.  

What was wrong in SF this year?    With another team... kinda obvious ... no soap opera explanation.  Why does there need to be one here?

SF was most injured team. Ravaged. Garrapolo got hurt in their second game. He came back and played two game that they won both of. Were 4-3 having three different QBs start at that point when he got injured again.

You’d think the Niners would be considering Wentz. They are a QB away from being a contender.

Problem seems to be teams aren’t banging down the door for Wentz like you want to believe. He’s got talent. So why could that be?

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Problem seems to be teams aren’t banging down the door for Wentz like you want to believe. He’s got talent. So why could that be?

I don;t know anything.... doesn't seem to be my problem... seems to be Howie and Lurie's if that is the case.  Which again, I don't know.  

Murray threw for 3,722 yards with 22 TDs and 12 interceptions his rookie season.

Threw for 3,971 yards with 26 TDs and 12 interceptions 

 I’d say he’s looking good. Very good trajectory. That’s passing. You alluded to him being a running QB. He’s a weapon with that.  But I think you might be stuck in the old days of football a little. I see huge money going to pass rushers that are freak athletes. Really helps if your QB is athletic to counter this. Everybody can’t have Pro Bowl Oline blocking everywhere.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don;t know anything.... doesn't seem to be my problem... seems to be Howie and Lurie's if that is the case.  Which again, I don't know.  

All these teams need QBs. Wentz is so great...should be a massive bidding war, right? He clearly isn’t near considered Stafford level. He’s much younger though.

I know...you know...Wentz contract isn’t even that much for the other team to take on. That isn’t an excuse for others.

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Murray threw for 3,722 yards with 22 TDs and 12 interceptions his rookie season.

Threw for 3,971 yards with 26 TDs and 12 interceptions 

 I’d say he’s looking good. Very good trajectory. That’s passing. You alluded to him being a running QB. He’s a weapon with that.  But I think you might be stuck in the old days of football a little. I see huge money going to pass rushers that are freak athletes. Really helps if your QB is athletic to counter this. Everybody can’t have Pro Bowl Oline blocking everywhere.

Yes, I see great fantasy stats... How did the season end when he had to play teams looking to make the playoffs?   Like I said, from the eye test, not reading the stats... to be honest I thought Hurts outplayed Murray a lot ...and didn't Murray have like 400 yards passing?     To me, I thought the NFC title game was a great battle of QBs... not the same stats though as what Murray and Lamar did in some games.   I tell you what else my eyes saw... was watching Murray vs I believe the Rams... every 3rd or 4th down he ran for he got, every one he passed, he didn't.  This is the trend I see with run first QBs.   And a run first QB can still get yards passing... just the style of the offense, you can take away the run and it effects the play call... with a regular mobile QB like Mahomes... he runs only because the pass play broke down.  there is a difference.  Get to the end, the better defenses will take away the run, and kill play calls.  Stop drives because of that.  I see that style more so as a team that can avoid being bad, not a team that will advance to a title.  Not until a team does it first.  Baltimore is built perfectly for that.   Best athlete in the game, physical running team, great defense.  Lamar ripping it uo 40 points quite often in the regular season... playoff time comes ... how many points have they scored in his 4 playoff  games?  I know it was 23 in 2 games this year  (but he got hurt, yeah, another side effect of the QB rushing 15 times per game though)   I don't think it was much better the 2 years before was it?    Tua same thing.   The character with Hurts isn;t my concern, can he pass the ball and do it when they take away the run and the short game? 

17 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I know...you know...Wentz contract isn’t even that much for the other team to take on. That isn’t an excuse for others.

Can we wait before being cocky... like wait and see not only what the trade looks like... but his performance and team success next year.   WE have Mr Character/Intangible... let's ee how he does too... HUGE learning curve, the last guy kinda did ok his 2nd year.  

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Can we wait before being cocky... like wait and see not only what the trade looks like... but his performance and team success next year.   WE have Mr Character/Intangible... let's ee how he does too... HUGE learning curve, the last guy kinda did ok his 2nd year.  

Seems like character/intangible is what’s killing us trying to trade Wentz. Everybody knows he has talent.

Wentz is competitive. He’s a hard worker.  He’s smart. He has those intangibles. I don’t think anyone questions those.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Can we wait before being cocky... like wait and see not only what the trade looks like... but his performance and team success next year.   WE have Mr Character/Intangible... let's ee how he does too... HUGE learning curve, the last guy kinda did ok his 2nd year.  

I’m the one that wanted to trade all up for Wentz in the first place.

Wentz couldn’t finish the season his second year. Unfortunately durability has been a problem for him. That’s the main reason he’s never won a playoff game. More so than Rosie not giving him enough talent.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seems like character/intangible is what’s killing us trying to trade Wentz. Everybody knows he has talent.

IDK, I don;t have your inside sources.   Could it be the Eagles trying to squeeze out a little more from one team vs the next...etc?   This is a tough one because of cap issues... if we take on another player etc.  Rams and Detroit, both able to save money after the deal, because they can redo each contract to make up more savings than the dead money they lost.   But it could also mean one team is offering a 6th and the other a 5th.  Who knows?   But you are good... we are getting rid of the cancer, you get that team that responded with such greatness in all second halves of the games with Hurts.  The inspiration of inspiration.  WE could be a happy 4th place, and the next team for Wentz could be an unhappy playoff team...we don't know.  like Lane said, rather be happy.  

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m the one that wanted to trade all up for Wentz in the first place.

Wentz couldn’t finish the season his second year. Unfortunately durability has been a problem for him. That’s the main reason he’s never won a playoff game. More so than Rosie not giving him enough talent.

That's it... perfect target audience for Howie... how does the kuel ade taste?