Wentz is the one that wants out. Gotta be a big ego check just in the fact that a quarter of the league needs a QB....but how many of them want him?

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

That’s the main reason he’s never won a playoff game. More so than Rosie not giving him enough talent.

Quick question ... why didn;t Mahomes win yesterday???   Or ... why didn't Brady win a playoff game last year?    Better one yet, not sure how old you are, but i'm sure some of the guys here would be curious.... how come Archie Manning didn't win often?   you watch college... Alabama wins a lot.... Temple not so much.  Why is that?  

Another personal question for you.... for a guy who listed a paragraph of all the little moves Howie got wrong.... all the calls you made that would have been right ... .if he got those moves right like you wanted... do you think that would have mattered?   Do you do draft research and spend time on free agency because you think it matters just a little????  I mean, maybe it doesn't and it's more Doug and Wentz's fault?   Probably those 5 or 6 plays they couldn't agree on were the difference?  WE know if it was anywhere near John Hightower, he was coming down with the ball.   

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wentz is the one that wants out. Gotta be a big ego check just in the fact that a quarter of the league needs a QB....but how many of them want him?

IDK, I don;t have your inside info to know.  Can you tell me... because I'm sure your sources know... there is never a trade that comes up without the general public knowing everything.   Again though... I think if the player is just concerned about the one team where he goes next and his chances of winning... all the rest that matters to you, he won't pay any attention to it?  We don't know?  

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/.amp/news/eagles-appear-all-in-on-jalen-hurts-as-the-starting-qb-this-season

Just to add to the complete cluster F and how nobody knows anything going on with our QB situation 

Thanks BG!

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Obviously not everybody works. The Northwestern guy didn’t make it past camp. He was the old beater that kept breaking down. Suds topped out at third stringer. Basically a econo Kia with no heat or AC. Then we pump out Wentz that is a BMW but took on water damage. Maybe Hurts becomes that Hummer? Right now his contract is at Volkswagen level. Which we’ll take.

I love Hummers

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts, to me, is a smart guy and player. He’s a leader. He’s fast. He’s very competitive. He’s a hard worker. Very dedicated to his craft. Has handled adversity well. Very coachable. Can handle the pressure. Isn’t overwhelmed with the NFL. Has a good deep ball. Good at making quick decisions. 
   
   These things I feel confident about him is why I have no problem giving him a legit shot at it. He needs to improve and develop. Feel like he will. 

After the details developed (as far as we know) about what is going on with this big top situation I've been all in on having Hurts as the starter so long as he out performs the competition. I don't see us as a divisional competitor next season. Not the way the gnats and WFT are coming along. Dullas should be better going into 2nd season with their HC. Why not let Hurts develop with the young weapons? Gonna have to sort out this sh!t show somehow and the cheapest way to do it is keep Hurts and draft a top QB to develop; UGH. Even as bad as I want Parsons at #6. We've been through equally painful seasons with this team. 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

These traits he’s lived in college and in the pros. All the intangible boxes he checks. He’s also very athletic. Makes quick decisions well. He’s improved every year in college. Being a coachable hard worker,  it’s reasonable to think he will continue to improve for us. The main area I can’t already vouch for him is as a pocket passer. He threw for over 330 yards in two of his three starts(I don’t count Tankgame for obvious reasons). So he’s showing promise there. He’s got a good deep ball. Doesn’t have the strongest arm to throw it on-a-rope/like a dart as deep as the huge cannon armed guys.

Hurts arm as compared to Vick? Interested in ops from you and anyone. 

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Of course likely the part that fits your narrative lol 

ALWAYS!!!!

10 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Hurts arm as compared to Vick? Interested in ops from you and anyone. 

Hurts would have to play 2B for some of my slow pitch softball teams ....  not the best arm, certainly not Vick.    What he does well, which also limits taking advantage of 2nd and 3rd reads... is he throws the ball early on deeper passes so that the WR won't run past the ball.  What you saw vs Dallas, throws off the back foot or awkward sets, the ball is going to be up there to get picked off.   It's why he needs to run and master the short pass.   In the pocket, with his height, he needs to be able to adjust to throw over the big boys up front, he might miss seeing crossing patterns too.    To be honest, I agree with Ham on all the intangibles.... I think the kid will max out his abilities ... my concern is if they are enough at the NFL level as a guy being able to see over the line and make the harder throws when the timing is off. Much different than college.

said one source within the organization, who wished to remain anonymous, because "if he can get an NFL head coach fired, they’ll have no problem cutting anyone’s ass.”

53 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wentz is the one that wants out. Gotta be a big ego check just in the fact that a quarter of the league needs a QB....but how many of them want him?

I gotta be honest on this one... my guess... he would prefer only one team to want him, and for that team to give up the least amount as possible, so he has to work with more on the field.  I think the ultimate ego check either way... is the results on the field.  He eventually will either gold the Lombardi or not... nobody will talk about the trade value (except here if it ends up not being enough)  Just like nobody around the league talks about Nate Gerry or Avante Maddox... getting rid of Doug and Wentz can ultimately be what Howie and Lurie are judged for.   But it all comes down to what happens on the field.  

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Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

said one source within the organization, who wished to remain anonymous, because "if he can get an NFL head coach fired, they’ll have no problem cutting anyone’s ass.”

Love these anonymous sources....they can all come out once he is gone with no fear, so will be interesting to see.  If they stay anonymous... I think we can draw the conclusion.  At least most of us.   

Reminds me of Jeff McClain a few years back.... he reported a call between Chip and Shady... Chip denied it, Shady denied it ... yet McClain said for sure it happened I don't care what they say.   I'm thinking of the possibility of Doug joining a staff where Wentz is at.... wondering if Ham would still think Wentz got him fired?  

 

27 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Hurts arm as compared to Vick? Interested in ops from you and anyone. 

Mike Vick had one of the strongest arms I’ve ever seen. Hurts can throw it deep well. He doesn’t have the arm to just flick his wrist and throw a forty yard(total air yardage) laser though. Saw some of the deeper patterns his pass kind of die into the turf a bit. But he can get it down there ....just needs to put more air under it...making it longer to arrive.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Love these anonymous sources....they can all come out once he is gone with no fear, so will be interesting to see.  If they stay anonymous... I think we can draw the conclusion.  At least most of us.   

Reminds me of Jeff McClain a few years back.... he reported a call between Chip and Shady... Chip denied it, Shady denied it ... yet McClain said for sure it happened I don't care what they say.   I'm thinking of the possibility of Doug joining a staff where Wentz is at.... wondering if Ham would still think Wentz got him fired?  

 

This is a report from a player that thinks Wentz got Pedey fired. 

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mike Vick had one of the strongest arms I’ve ever seen. Hurts can throw it deep well. He doesn’t have the arm to just flick his wrist and throw a forty yard(total air yardage) laser though. Saw some of the deeper patterns his pass kind of die into the turf a bit. But he can get it down there ....just needs to put more air under it...making it longer to arrive.

But sometimes much easier to catch!

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is a report from a player that thinks Wentz got Pedey fired. 

Right... the player that can identify himself after the trade.. .with no fear.    I'm sure there are players that think that, I just think Wentz was already out, firing Doug if anything...cemented that.  I think Hurts is Howie's guy... the smartest guy in the room idea.  Doug was fired because he wanted Wentz, not Hurts, which was shown all season.  Even when Hurts was in there, did it seem to you Doug was into that style of offense or looking to develop him?     IDK, you think Wentz wanted doug out even though Doug wanted him adn wanted to keep the guy that is supposed to be his friend to work with him?   Not sure if it makes sense.  Makes more sense Doug and Press get fired, and Wentz wants out even more.    But whatever fits your narrative... looking forward to hearing that player come out. 

I still keep coming back to how a QB would think the coach who he has won with is holding him back more than the crap roster that the GM gave him?  I can see he likes Reich style better, missing that influence part... but any idiot could see the constant line of first snap in the NFL all over the offense... " former practice sqaud member...etc.  Meanwhile look at all the other quality WRs other QBs are throwing to?  IDK could be argument over a few plays... just doubt it, guys like that are used to a little healthy debating.  But the dumpster fire roster was of epic proportions, not as common to see. 

https://www.phillyvoice.com/carson-wentz-eagles-locker-room-trade-rumors-doug-pederson-jeffrey-lurie-nick-sirianni/

This is the must read piece

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Hurts would have to play 2B for some of my slow pitch softball teams ....  not the best arm, certainly not Vick.    What he does well, which also limits taking advantage of 2nd and 3rd reads... is he throws the ball early on deeper passes so that the WR won't run past the ball.  What you saw vs Dallas, throws off the back foot or awkward sets, the ball is going to be up there to get picked off.   It's why he needs to run and master the short pass.   In the pocket, with his height, he needs to be able to adjust to throw over the big boys up front, he might miss seeing crossing patterns too.    To be honest, I agree with Ham on all the intangibles.... I think the kid will max out his abilities ... my concern is if they are enough at the NFL level as a guy being able to see over the line and make the harder throws when the timing is off. Much different than college.

Thanks Joe! That puts it into perspective for me. Needed the Vick comparison 'cause I remember him just being able to flick his wrist and had a nice long ball. I didn't get to see every moment of every Bird's game this season, but what I did get to see I didn't see that from Hurts. I think he'd be a serviceable BU. For now with the rebuild though, I feel $ wise he's the man right now cause this team won't be a minor competitor until 2023 in my eyes.

Hurts as a BU if needed to start during a PO run though? If I ask myself to answer that I think he would need a solid O across all other 10 players. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mike Vick had one of the strongest arms I’ve ever seen. Hurts can throw it deep well. He doesn’t have the arm to just flick his wrist and throw a forty yard(total air yardage) laser though. Saw some of the deeper patterns his pass kind of die into the turf a bit. But he can get it down there ....just needs to put more air under it...making it longer to arrive.

Thanks Ham!

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/carson-wentz-eagles-locker-room-trade-rumors-doug-pederson-jeffrey-lurie-nick-sirianni/

This is the must read piece

This has been the poster boy for ANTI Wentz over the years.  A lot of things here get missed.   Took until the end for them to talk about how bad the roster was... ya think?   Also what do you think when a dude missed his exit interview... he wants out.  So why would he have doug fired if he wasn't planning on coming back?  Especially if Doug was in his corner?   All that stuff is great, so we will get to see how he does for another team... and an organization that actually does the most important thing... get some talented teammates.   Getting rid of Long and Jenkins based on anything other than $$$ is a stretch.  The idea of Wentz having power in the organization even now.... lol.  

The problem is, people are butthurt about this guy not being a guy who could carry a crap team... like I said, first responsibility is GM getting the players, any blind man can see he didn't, the coach and QB will be gone because of it, and if it's not what the organization wanted... well, get the players next time.  The rest always seems to follow.  you have the player's QB now, no longer any of this BS can be an issue... you have a guy with all the intangibles... so get him players.  If he fails... leave your job.  Go back to contracts.  Own the bad roster as you owned building the good one.  

One thing... if it wasn;t for Wentz, the regression story around the league would be what happened to Russell Wilson?  

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

This has been the poster boy for ANTI Wentz over the years.  A lot of things here get missed.   Took until the end for them to talk about how bad the roster was... ya think?   Also what do you think when a dude missed his exit interview... he wants out.  So why would he have doug fired if he wasn't planning on coming back?  Especially if Doug was in his corner?   All that stuff is great, so we will get to see how he does for another team... and an organization that actually does the most important thing... get some talented teammates.   Getting rid of Long and Jenkins based on anything other than $$$ is a stretch.  The idea of Wentz having power in the organization even now.... lol.  

The problem is, people are butthurt about this guy not being a guy who could carry a crap team... like I said, first responsibility is GM getting the players, any blind man can see he didn't, the coach and QB will be gone because of it, and if it's not what the organization wanted... well, get the players next time.  The rest always seems to follow.  you have the player's QB now, no longer any of this BS can be an issue... you have a guy with all the intangibles... so get him players.  If he fails... leave your job.  Go back to contracts.  Own the bad roster as you owned building the good one.  

One thing... if it wasn;t for Wentz, the regression story around the league would be what happened to Russell Wilson?  

That article sounds like some WWE malarkey to me. Esp the part of Wentz' power within the org 

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

How do Heisman trophy winners translate to the NFL lately?   I'm seriously asking, I don't watch college.  I know Tebow and Charlie Ward were Heisman winners.  I believe Matt Reinhart too? Vince Young college stud.   I know Foles has a great story... even came back to play well in a big game at the NFL level... don't really think he is an NFL starter though.   Seems like the Howie I still use the EMB's #1 Cliche is being drunk.  Ironic for who it is drinking it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ranking-last-25-heisman-trophy-winners-based-on-nfl-success/ar-BB1cugBh

10 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’ve been on record as having Zach Wilson as my pick at #6 believing the FO will go get that new shiny QB you and that they are not high on Hurts 

I just don't really understand this line of thinking (as evidenced by my back and forth with Greenbleed lol).  How can they be "not high" on Hurts yet?  How can they be anything on him yet after only 4 starts ... especially when we were playing PS level players at OL and WR?  Or if you are insinuating they were never high on him, then why waste a 2nd rd pick on him in the first place?  I guess I just hate the thought of wasting yet another high pick ... we have entirely way too many of those over the past 10 years (JJAW, Jones, Rowe, MSIII, Watkins, Jarrett).  You take a QB high and you are basically automatically throwing last year's 2nd rd pick away.