42 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I just don't really understand this line of thinking (as evidenced by my back and forth with Greenbleed lol).  How can they be "not high" on Hurts yet?  How can they be anything on him yet after only 4 starts ... especially when we were playing PS level players at OL and WR?  Or if you are insinuating they were never high on him, then why waste a 2nd rd pick on him in the first place?  I guess I just hate the thought of wasting yet another high pick ... we have entirely way too many of those over the past 10 years (JJAW, Jones, Rowe, MSIII, Watkins, Jarrett).  You take a QB high and you are basically automatically throwing last year's 2nd rd pick away.  

It’s not that hard of a concept to understand Lurie isn’t going to sit pat in the top 10 on an "this guy might be ok QB.”

If he is going to pass on a QB high it’s because they are all in for Hurts that is a massive leap of faith. Are you going to sit here and say you believe Hurts is the franchise QB. 

21 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And yet Lurie can’t see Howie as a problem??? 3 coaches and now your franchise QB getting rid of because of Howie 

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

No surprise.  He probably had disdain for Howie for having used a 2nd rd pick on a QB.  Rather than using the pick on someone who can help him Howie took someone that could potentially replace him.  His ego is too fragile to handle it apparently.  He's not the first QB to have this happen.  GB did the same by drafting Love (and that was a 1st rd pick).  Rodgers responded in a completely different manner ... league MVP season.  

7 minutes ago, time2rock said:

His ego is too fragile to handle it apparently.  He's not the first QB to have this happen.  GB did the same by drafting Love (and that was a 1st rd pick).  Rodgers responded in a completely different manner ... league MVP season.  

I mean Rodgers had a healthy OL strong ground game and a guy named Devante Adams to throw to. Wentz had 10th string OL blocking for him, WRs he never threw to catching for him and we will say inconsistent ground game 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It’s not that hard of a concept to understand Lurie isn’t going to sit pat in the top 10 on an "this guy might be ok QB.”

If he is going to pass on a QB high it’s because they are all in for Hurts that is a massive leap of faith. Are you going to sit here and say you believe Hurts is the franchise QB. 

No absolutely not ... I haven't see enough.  

But there also is no guarantee of a sure thing with a top 10 pick either (see Wentz).  

I could see it if there was a Watson or Mahomes type QB in this class, but I just don't think there is.  

6 minutes ago, time2rock said:

could see it if there was a Watson or Mahomes type QB in this class, but I just don't think there is.  

And nobody thought Watson or Mahomes were that special either lol you don’t know unless you draft and they succeed.

Lawernce Fields both being talked more then Watson/Mahomes will they have that level of success hard to say.... BYU Zach Wilson has quite a bit of Mahomes type play in him doesn’t mean it will translate to nfl success. 
 

Everything is a gamble but like the odds better on a top 10 QB over a 2nd rounder also like the odds of two young QBs battling over just Hurts. 

10 minutes ago, time2rock said:

But there also is no guarantee of a sure thing with a top 10 pick either (see Wentz).  

 

We also tend to want to ignore the fact Wentz was great until last season. If we trade him and he finds success again that just means we failed Wentz not that Wentz was a failed pick. 

An interesting stat.

Victor Williams on Twitter: "Top-graded Eagles players in 2020 (per PFF): • Richard Rodgers: 88.6 • Dallas Goedert: 79.5 • Travis Fulgham: 71.2 • Nate Herbig: 71.2 • Lane Johnson: 71.2 • Jordan Mailata: 70.3 Dick Rod being our best offensive player last season seems fitting." / Twitter

Out of our top six rated players, we benched/refused to play three of them.

Mailata and Herbig are going to be beasts next year at LT/LG. Give those guys some time to work together, and they are going to lock down that side of the line for a decade.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Maybe this will finally make Lurie open up his eyes about Howie and realize he is (a big) part of the problem ... not the solution.  

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

No absolutely not ... I haven't see enough.  

But there also is no guarantee of a sure thing with a top 10 pick either (see Wentz).  

I could see it if there was a Watson or Mahomes type QB in this class, but I just don't think there is.  

Some QB's taken in the top 10 since 2000:

Jamarcus Russell - 1

Jake Locker - 8

Josh Rosen - 10

Matt Leinhart - 10

Daniel Jones - 6

Blaine Gabbert - 10

David Carr - 1

Joey Harrington - 3

Robert Griffin III - 2

Blake Bortles - 3

Byron Leftwich - 7

Vince Young - 3

Marcus Mariota - 2

Mitch Trubinski - 2

Jamis Winston - 1

Sam Darnold - 3

Sam Bradford - 1

Mark Sanchez - 5

Carson Palmer - 1

Jared Goeff - 1

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

An interesting stat.

Victor Williams on Twitter: "Top-graded Eagles players in 2020 (per PFF): • Richard Rodgers: 88.6 • Dallas Goedert: 79.5 • Travis Fulgham: 71.2 • Nate Herbig: 71.2 • Lane Johnson: 71.2 • Jordan Mailata: 70.3 Dick Rod being our best offensive player last season seems fitting." / Twitter

Out of our top six rated players, we benched/refused to play three of them.

Mailata and Herbig are going to be beasts next year at LT/LG. Give those guys some time to work together, and they are going to lock down that side of the line for a decade.

My fear is they hand the LT job to Dillard just because he was a #1 pick

QB's taken after 10th pick in the first round since 2000 - there were 59 total QB's drafted in the 1st round since 2000

Lamar Jackson - 32

Teddy Bridgewater - 32

Dasaun Watson - 12

Joe Flacco - 18

Ben Rothlesberger - 11

Aaron Rodgers - 24

Well there was also Chad Pennington- 18 Jay Cutler- 11 also......

Some Quarterbacks taken after round 1, not too many Since Joe Montana was taken round 3 awhile ago...

 

Matt Hassleback , Randall Cunningham, Rich Gannon, Russell Wilson, Brett Farve, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Joe Montana.

Of course also Nick Foles, Andy Dalton, Dak Prescott, Derek Carr and Jimmy Garropollo were also drafted after round 1 but cannot rate them as really solid QB's.... yet anyway...

19 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

My fear is they hand the LT job to Dillard just because he was a #1 pick

I actually want them to trade him lol

28 minutes ago, stine said:

Some QB's taken in the top 10 since 2000:

Jamarcus Russell - 1

Jake Locker - 8

Josh Rosen - 10

Matt Leinhart - 10

Daniel Jones - 6

Blaine Gabbert - 10

David Carr - 1

Joey Harrington - 3

Robert Griffin III - 2

Blake Bortles - 3

Byron Leftwich - 7

Vince Young - 3

Marcus Mariota - 2

Mitch Trubinski - 2

Jamis Winston - 1

Sam Darnold - 3

Sam Bradford - 1

Mark Sanchez - 5

Carson Palmer - 1

Jared Goeff - 1

You forgot Wentz HAHAHA

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

Maybe this will finally make Lurie open up his eyes about Howie and realize he is (a big) part of the problem ... not the solution.  

This can be viewed 2 ways ok???  WHY isn't he answering his calls? Because he wants traded and is forcing the issue? Because Howie drafted a suitable BU(who ended up playing because golden boy sucks)? Because he's not confident in Howies draft picks? Because he got the blame for other failures? This article doesn't tell you much and there are a multitude of reasons why this is happening(a few mentioned above). So now there is a power struggle. Wentz won vs Ped, now Lurie needs to decide if it's Wentz or Howie. Although we'd like Wentz to win this battle also,I just don't see it because Howie has Lurie wrapped around his finger. Or maybe Smol can get involved and convince Lurie to hire a GM "football guy"

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You forgot Wentz HAHAHA

No, I still feel Wentz can be Elite so I left him out on purpose...

2 minutes ago, stine said:

No, I still feel Wentz can be Elite so I left him out on purpose...

Oh didn't specify,just said "QB's drafted in round 1"

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

Maybe this will finally make Lurie open up his eyes about Howie and realize he is (a big) part of the problem ... not the solution.  

LOL don't ask us to hold our breath

33 minutes ago, stine said:

QB's taken after 10th pick in the first round since 2000 - there were 59 total QB's drafted in the 1st round since 2000

Lamar Jackson - 32

Teddy Bridgewater - 32

Dasaun Watson - 12

Joe Flacco - 18

Ben Rothlesberger - 11

Aaron Rodgers - 24

Well there was also Chad Pennington- 18 Jay Cutler- 11 also......

Not really a great list and that’s a pretty huge gap between players finding success... Teddy B already seems to be done in Carolina they been looking for a new QB 

Why I don’t want to get stuck in that middle ground range without a QB 

As Joe said, ELITE QB's are surrounded by ELITE weaponry. Sometimes even that is not enough as we witnessed in the SB.TB had more elite weapons(on defense) than KC had, and TB finally got all the elite weapons they needed. For me the keys to finding elite weaponry with little cost is the draft. We tried to BUY an elite team and that was a fail,so money may buy elite players,but it doesn't buy comraderie or the will to win as a team,that has to come from within

If Lurie would simply hire a real GM,this may all go away lol

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

This can be viewed 2 ways ok???  WHY isn't he answering his calls? Because he wants traded and is forcing the issue? Because Howie drafted a suitable BU(who ended up playing because golden boy sucks)? Because he's not confident in Howies draft picks? Because he got the blame for other failures? This article doesn't tell you much and there are a multitude of reasons why this is happening(a few mentioned above). So now there is a power struggle. Wentz won vs Ped, now Lurie needs to decide if it's Wentz or Howie. Although we'd like Wentz to win this battle also,I just don't see it because Howie has Lurie wrapped around his finger. Or maybe Smol can get involved and convince Lurie to hire a GM "football guy"

Not that any of will ever know, but my gut says his problem with Howie was because he didn't use that high pick (2020 2nd rd) on a player that could help him but on a player that could potentially replace him.  

Regarding the bolded, not sure if the struggle was between Wentz and Ped or if Lurie was just disenchanted with Ped for wanting to promote Taylor.  Kicking Ped out to say Wentz won and then to have Wentz still want out doesn't really add up IMO.  

But like with everything else going on ... who the F knows?!?! 

 

4 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Not that any of will ever know, but my gut says his problem with Howie was because he didn't use that high pick (2020 2nd rd) on a player that could help him but on a player that could potentially replace him.  

Regarding the bolded, not sure if the struggle was between Wentz and Ped or if Lurie was just disenchanted with Ped for wanting to promote Taylor.  Kicking Ped out to say Wentz won and then to have Wentz still want out doesn't really add up IMO.  

But like with everything else going on ... who the F knows?!?! 

 

Maybe he butted heads with Ped(gone) and maybe he has issues with what you said,then again we had no adequate BU. Suds stinks and we had McCown on "emergency" so a decent BU was needed. Wentz needs to understand a few things here too and not act like he's a god