10 minutes ago, 1wrangler said:

Really Joe, What I have seen in the 55 years of being a fan is some crap but also some excellence as well. They just were never able to put it all together at the right time on both sides of the line of scrimmage. Free agency has made it easier for guys like Howie to compete with GM's that actually have the skill set to judge talent. IMO Howie would have never made it as a GM prior to free agency. Am I glad for the Super Bowl victory? Of course. Do I think the Eagles had a better defense with Bud Carson in charge? Yeah I liked the Eagles defense through the years much better with guys like Carson, Ryan and Johnson running the show than I do now. Do I believe that the Eagles had a few better teams through the years than the 2017 Super Bowl winning team. Yep I do but if you don't win it, it doesn't matter. I haven't done one bit of bragging about the Super Bowl victory because every time I think about the win, I also think about Brady throwing that last pass to the end zone and watching what could have been at least three different pass interference calls that could have been made on that play and no one would have been able to dispute the calls. In other words I am thankful for the victory but also know that luck was involved more than skill on that last play. Especially when the Patriots never punted the ball one time in that game. It was the Eagles time to win a Super Bowl that year. It has been a very long time since the Eagles had a team that you thought would win against any team they played. That is more important to me going forward than anything else. Having a team where you are shocked when they lose a game. Just give me one of those teams before I kick off! A trend setting team instead of a team that is always trying to catch up to a trend setting team.

BTW.. .which Superbowl should New England brag about then... which one was played perfectly?   Where one play... wouldn't have made a difference?   Can they brag?      The idea of sports is to prevent your opponent from scoring one more point than you.   A point... a goal ... a run...  ... not yards, baskets, fouls, hits, checks, saves...etc.    In football it's points.  The points matter... the Eagles were the better team, it's what matters.  The idea in sports is to be the best team.  2017... they won the SB with the best roster IMO... from top to bottom and even with the backups... roster was stacked.   The last 2 years it took injuries, drops etc... even with a team limping in, there was still some luck involved for the other team to win... Which they still count as a win regardless of what happens with our players.    Life is short.... I hope one day you are satisfied and we win a SB your way.   

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'm 47 ... been watching since Vermeil... seen Excellence in 1980 ... 1991 on defense ..... 2002 .... 2004.     

I met Dick Vermeil back in 1981 at a team practice. An acquaintance of mine (John Sell) from Shippensburg introduced me to him. He was given a shot by Vermeil at making the team that year but got hurt at the end of training camp and was one of the final cuts. Sell was a guard center for Shippensburg and was voted into the Shippensburg Hall of Fame in 2016. Vermeil really felt bad about having to cut Sell and invited him back the following year for another try out but he found a very good paying job in Texas and didn't want to give it up when it came time to try out again. 

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

BTW.. .which Superbowl should New England brag about then... which one was played perfectly?   Where one play... wouldn't have made a difference?   Can they brag?      The idea of sports is to prevent your opponent from scoring one more point than you.   A point... a goal ... a run...  ... not yards, baskets, fouls, hits, checks, saves...etc.    In football it's points.  The points matter... the Eagles were the better team, it's what matters.  The idea in sports is to be the best team.  2017... they won the SB with the best roster IMO... from top to bottom and even with the backups... roster was stacked.   The last 2 years it took injuries, drops etc... even with a team limping in, there was still some luck involved for the other team to win... Which they still count as a win regardless of what happens with our players.    Life is short.... I hope one day you are satisfied and we win a SB your way.   

I am not talking about the Patriots Joe, I am talking about the Eagles but if you want to compare the two, the Patriots have been one of those NFL teams where you expect them to win every game they play and are surprised when they lose. There are only a couple of those teams in the league at the moment and everyone knows who they are. Lets just say that the Eagles are not one of those teams yet.

15 minutes ago, 1wrangler said:

I am not talking about the Patriots Joe, I am talking about the Eagles but if you want to compare the two, the Patriots have been one of those NFL teams where you expect them to win every game they play and are surprised when they lose. There are only a couple of those teams in the league at the moment and everyone knows who they are. Lets just say that the Eagles are not one of those teams yet.

Which team is expected to win every game this year?   The idea of sports is to be the best... 2017 ... the Eagles were the best. With the GM being Howie.  There are ZERO superbowl winners where people think/.... but yeah, look how many yards they gave up??????    To be honest, during the game ...and as I rewatch it when it might be on.... I remain disappointed that we didn't score more points.  They had no business stopping us ... a false start, a slip on an extra point and Doug not passing on the play before the 2 minute warning were 3 plays I thought  prevented us from winning more decisively.   But again, I have a basketball background.... when I see the offense as having the mismatch, I think they should score every time and it's their fault for not executing.   Our OL was dominant, we had mismatches all over the secondary ... the one weakness was Big V and they had a 40 year old  guy trying to beat him... they had no shot at stopping us.  Should have easily put up 50.   That's my feeling I take as far as any regret from that game.   

Jacksonville should have beaten New England to get to that game... They had the stud defense that New England was able to score on... but they stopped trying to score.   That was the way to beat New England... to outscore them.   WE did... but should have more decisively IMO but putting up more points ... not so much by stopping Brady and Gronk, who other teams couldn't stop either.    

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Which team is expected to win every game this year?   

Hypothetically no team is expected to win every game this year BUT, when you look at each teams yearly schedule there are a couple teams that you figure could win every game on their schedule talent wise unless the opposing team that week plays a game way over their heads or the great team plays a terrible game. When I look at the Eagles schedule this year I can easily see 6 losses. That doesn't mean the Eagles couldn't win some of those games I see as losses but it wouldn't surprise me either if they lost those 6 games. That is what I want to see change with the team. I want to be surprised when they lose and not expect it before the game even starts. We have a way to go to be in that category. Pederson is a good start but I don't see that kind of team with Schwartz in charge of the defense.I also don't see a team like that without replenishing the roster with excellent "drafted" talent on a continual basis.  

1 hour ago, 1wrangler said:

BUT, when you look at each teams yearly schedule there are a couple teams that you figure could win every game on their schedule talent wise

What teams are they there is no team in the nfl I can think of that should win every game not even talent wise.

1 hour ago, 1wrangler said:

Pederson is a good start but I don't see that kind of team with Schwartz in charge of the defense.I also don't see a team like that without replenishing the roster with excellent "drafted" talent on a continual basis.  

I need to see more from Pedey in my eyes then Schwartz...And I am a massive Pederson fan not a huge Schwartz fan but the O has been stale after 17 SB win and the key stat that I worry about on D is how many points do we let up and Schwartz has always kept us in the top 15 or better over last 3 seasons

On 5/17/2020 at 9:31 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

We are projected to be fifty mil over the cap in 2021. But if fans aren’t  in attendance the cap won’t be going up like has always been the case...but suffer significantly. Especially if games are cancelled also because of COVID19. It’s a potentially crippling situation for our franchise. The cap could be much less in 2021 because of all these factors. 

🤣 Like they will reduce it HAHA.They will just jack ad prices and fan gear and they have 17 games this year,so nope.it may stay the same,but I see no reduction coming

10 hours ago, 1wrangler said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eagles-gm-howie-roseman-admits-team-needs-to-infuse-youth-after-having-second-oldest-roster-in-nfl/

IDK JP is gone and we drafted a slew of young guys,so we should have dropped on our average player age.But really if a  young guy can't beat out a 37 year old in year 2,then we need new scouts.

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Awesome.... and he comes cheap and saves the Eagles a lot of cap space in the next few years...... I think when the Eagles extend Wentz with a big restructure next year.... perhaps the lightbulb will finally go off.   It's hard right now because people just don't think salary cap matters and they mock draft to death and get so into it.    The Eagles base their foundation of team building on the salary cap.   They draft the expensive positions so that they can get them cheap and redo a contract before players hit the open market.  They also like backup players at those spots and having the depth locked up for cheap.    They fiddle around with LB, RB and S because they are cheaper positions... it's why we never see them drafted in round 1.  

Every year a mock draft for this great LB or S...or RB... we don't get that player??????   Why is that?   It's how they use economics in their philosophy.   But this doubt for Wentz now... it's justified... the guy who couldn't keep his job in college is getting some hype now.... when Wentz gets $$$ to open up cap space next year, then it will become obvious.  But for now... let the hype for Hurts and the doubt for Wentz be  a thing.  Nobody wants to hear we spent a 2nd round pick ... in a draft that was the only legit thing in sports due to this pandemic .... because it saves us $$$.   That takes all the fun away.  It has to be because this guy is great and they lack confidence in Wentz.   Come next Feb/March... the age of enlightenment will hit.  

I would like to add here,in your cap saving scenario,we could draft another QB next draft(or pick up a FA on the cheap) and totally let Suds walk.Won"t save alot,but it will save something

History- We've had some outstanding players.We did make it to another SB which we lost (we seem to forget that). We've also tried the dream team, but really what stood out in 2017? We had a few talented players and admittedly we had a few scrubs. But what i saw from the 2017 team,I hadn't seen in quite awhile. They didn't go out to win,but they REFUSED TO LOSE. I saw a cohesion and a will and a no-quit that was missing for me for a long time. The philly special was executed with BU's, undrafteds and a 2nd string QB. The suggestion was made by FOLES, Ped just agreed to try it.That is faith in even your BU's.granted we saw some of that again last year when SOME of our PS guys actually played ok (Scott and Ward).What do they have in common? They are hungry,they have to fight for a job, they work harder because they MUST and it PAYS off. Now Jjaws job is on the line, let's see how hungry he really is. Give me cohesion and consistency over overpaid prima donnas all day. IMO, that is what made the 2017 team different. Many unsung guys giving 110% because knowing they lost their star QB, they made the choice to fight harder. I want that "underdog" back, because thats when we play real football.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I need to see more from Pedey in my eyes then Schwartz...And I am a massive Pederson fan not a huge Schwartz fan but the O has been stale after 17 SB win and the key stat that I worry about on D is how many points do we let up and Schwartz has always kept us in the top 15 or better over last 3 seasons

Welp Ped needs players to do it. Hard to have a potent offense with injuries and WR's playing musical chairs,not to mention losing RB's and others at key spots. He is a coach,not a magician

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Welp Ped needs players to do it. Hard to have a potent offense with injuries and WR's playing musical chairs,not to mention losing RB's and others at key spots. He is a coach,not a magician

.......sooooo Schwartz also hasn’t been hampered by injuries he also had no LBs and no CBs lost multiple DTs.

 

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

.......sooooo Schwartz also hasn’t been hampered by injuries he also had no LBs and no CBs lost multiple DTs.

 

LOL,well we never draft LB's and we aren't real high on drafting secondary guys either.You are asking him to build an entire house with a screwdriver.Can only work with what the team gives you. Could have picked up a nice/decent CB/LB prospect in 2,but once again we did not.So to your point,O and D can only work with what they have.Schwartz does fairly well with what little we give him. Ped gets more toys, but once again they always get hurt

 

16 hours ago, 1wrangler said:

Hypothetically no team is expected to win every game this year BUT, when you look at each teams yearly schedule there are a couple teams that you figure could win every game on their schedule talent wise unless the opposing team that week plays a game way over their heads or the great team plays a terrible game. When I look at the Eagles schedule this year I can easily see 6 losses. That doesn't mean the Eagles couldn't win some of those games I see as losses but it wouldn't surprise me either if they lost those 6 games. That is what I want to see change with the team. I want to be surprised when they lose and not expect it before the game even starts. We have a way to go to be in that category. Pederson is a good start but I don't see that kind of team with Schwartz in charge of the defense.I also don't see a team like that without replenishing the roster with excellent "drafted" talent on a continual basis.  

I want to see a Superbowl ... like 2017.   I don't care about looking at a schedule in May and thinking which games are losses....etc.     Dude... it must really stink to be you as a fan... nothing seems to make you happy at all?    1 Superbowl when we were clearly the best team in the league top to bottom from start to finish ... yet still not enough.... man life is tough.   and don't give me the " my standards are higher crap"  No they aren't ...you are an Eagles fan, the standard was never higher than it is now.  

15 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

What teams are they there is no team in the nfl I can think of that should win every game not even talent wise.

No team has won EVERY game in my lifetime... Never seen it, as I was born at the end of the season for the Dolphins in 72.   So ... " yeah I like to look at the schedule...etc"   LOL.  Scores start 0-0.   Where and when the games fall matter.... travel, rest, injuries...etc.   In 2017 once the Eagles took care of Carolina in that extremely tough spot of the schedule, if you didn't feel they were the best team in the league ... not sure what to tell you.   They were the best at the line of scrimmage on both sides and had the QB playing at the top level... skill positions were all healthy and complimenting each other... with solid depth.       But hey... they gave up yards in one game... so I can't feel good about the fact they were clearly the best team... because they gave up a lot of yards to the team who many think have the best QB and best coach of all time ,along with the most dominant offensive weapon in Gronk over the last decade.   IDK... I guess I shouldn't have felt that good about the 76ers domination in 1983 because they had to come from behind in a few games at the end vs the Lakers to sweep them 4-0 and they actually lost one playoff game.     The new bar is that when I look at the schedule in May... I need to see 16-0.  What happens during the season is irrelevant except if you give up a lot of yards in one game then it disqualifies you to be able to enjoy a championship?   

12 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would like to add here,in your cap saving scenario,we could draft another QB next draft(or pick up a FA on the cheap) and totally let Suds walk.Won"t save alot,but it will save something

Yeah I don't think they will worry too much about it.... they will spend minimum on a #3.  This year I think they view Suds as the #2... if he were to come back it would be league minimum.   

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

History- We've had some outstanding players.We did make it to another SB which we lost (we seem to forget that). We've also tried the dream team, but really what stood out in 2017? We had a few talented players and admittedly we had a few scrubs. But what i saw from the 2017 team,I hadn't seen in quite awhile. They didn't go out to win,but they REFUSED TO LOSE. I saw a cohesion and a will and a no-quit that was missing for me for a long time. The philly special was executed with BU's, undrafteds and a 2nd string QB. The suggestion was made by FOLES, Ped just agreed to try it.That is faith in even your BU's.granted we saw some of that again last year when SOME of our PS guys actually played ok (Scott and Ward).What do they have in common? They are hungry,they have to fight for a job, they work harder because they MUST and it PAYS off. Now Jjaws job is on the line, let's see how hungry he really is. Give me cohesion and consistency over overpaid prima donnas all day. IMO, that is what made the 2017 team different. Many unsung guys giving 110% because knowing they lost their star QB, they made the choice to fight harder. I want that "underdog" back, because thats when we play real football.

You focus on the end there... in 2017 they kicked everyone's Arse... lets not forget that.  Wentz goes down after throwing his 4th TD pass in the half... they put up over 50 on that Denver D that was ranked very high, including #1 vs the run at the time.    They didn't kick everyone's arse because unsung guys were making one play here and there.... I think some of us need to go watch some games from 2017 and see the high level of play.   Perhaps because we didn't look at the schedule in May and see 16-0 it makes us miss the fact that they were that good.  

To quote Chris Long .... on the sideline .... "  I think were pretty good"     YA THINK?   

22 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah I don't think they will worry too much about it.... they will spend minimum on a #3.  This year I think they view Suds as the #2... if he were to come back it would be league minimum.   

Enough time to get Hurts ready to take the 2

19 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You focus on the end there... in 2017 they kicked everyone's Arse... lets not forget that.  Wentz goes down after throwing his 4th TD pass in the half... they put up over 50 on that Denver D that was ranked very high, including #1 vs the run at the time.    They didn't kick everyone's arse because unsung guys were making one play here and there.... I think some of us need to go watch some games from 2017 and see the high level of play.   Perhaps because we didn't look at the schedule in May and see 16-0 it makes us miss the fact that they were that good.  

To quote Chris Long .... on the sideline .... "  I think were pretty good"     YA THINK?   

Some of the unsung guys made multiple plays..not one here or there.I didn't say NOT TALENTED OR KNOWN, I said UNsung. Stars and non stars all stepped it up a notch especially after Wentz went down

36 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

No team has won EVERY game in my lifetime... Never seen it, as I was born at the end of the season for the Dolphins in 72.   So ... " yeah I like to look at the schedule...etc"   LOL.  Scores start 0-0.   Where and when the games fall matter.... travel, rest, injuries...etc.   In 2017 once the Eagles took care of Carolina in that extremely tough spot of the schedule, if you didn't feel they were the best team in the league ... not sure what to tell you.   They were the best at the line of scrimmage on both sides and had the QB playing at the top level... skill positions were all healthy and complimenting each other... with solid depth.       But hey... they gave up yards in one game... so I can't feel good about the fact they were clearly the best team... because they gave up a lot of yards to the team who many think have the best QB and best coach of all time ,along with the most dominant offensive weapon in Gronk over the last decade.   IDK... I guess I shouldn't have felt that good about the 76ers domination in 1983 because they had to come from behind in a few games at the end vs the Lakers to sweep them 4-0 and they actually lost one playoff game.     The new bar is that when I look at the schedule in May... I need to see 16-0.  What happens during the season is irrelevant except if you give up a lot of yards in one game then it disqualifies you to be able to enjoy a championship?   

I got to see the '72 Fins.I lived in Ohio,but came to FL every year,so it was very cool to see them go undefeated.My former GF is Dan Marino's cousin lol

Every year we see a lot of hand wringing about the Eagles cap situation and every year Howie pulls a rabbit out of his hat.

Say what you want about Howies ability to judge talent (or lack thereof) but he has a handle on the cap.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Enough time to get Hurts ready to take the 2

Oh yeah... due to drafting him in round 2 it's the built in excuse to give him the job.   This way they can save money.    Everyone roots for the success of a draft pick and for the team to give them a shot... so it pretty much is the way out for the Eagles not to have to spend money on backup QB.

59 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Some of the unsung guys made multiple plays..not one here or there.I didn't say NOT TALENTED OR KNOWN, I said UNsung. Stars and non stars all stepped it up a notch especially after Wentz went down

9 game inning streak..... including a 7 game stretch.... 34-7 ... then 28-23 in Carolina... 34-24 where Washington scored 2 garbage TDs at the end ... 33-10 , 51-23, 37-9, 31-3.... then Wentz gets hurt in first half after throwing his 4th TD...   They dominated a lot during that year and there wasn't a team that looked as good.   They started out 10-1.     Sure we remember 2 playoff games at the end, but that season was a journey where much of it was domination.  Physical domination at the line of scrimmage.   It's great that we like the underdog mentality... it's a Philly thing, we are uncomfortable being the favorite... hate to admit we are the more talented team... it has to be a story you can write about where we overcame the odds...etc.  That's great, we did overcome injuries to key players, Foles looked awful after the Giants game, so there was reason to doubt.  But from start to the moment Went got hurt, nobody was better than the Eagles... the rest of the guys finished the job.  But you don't sustain that kind of long term success... 2 legit losses for the season without having the talent on the roster.  And the depth.  Yuo don't win by that much of a dominant score... you don't put up 51 vs that Denver D unless you have some talent.   When you run the ball like we did, with the other team knowing it;s coming, and they can't stop us.... it's not a fluke.  

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Oh yeah... due to drafting him in round 2 it's the built in excuse to give him the job.   This way they can save money.    Everyone roots for the success of a draft pick and for the team to give them a shot... so it pretty much is the way out for the Eagles not to have to spend money on backup QB.

As sad as it sounds,but good business,is if we go to restructure Wentz and he wants too much.Hurts would be ready to roll.As much as I initially hated this pick, it is making more sense all the time