28 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's where I'm at. If it's a choice between Chase or Smith and the top CB prospect in this draft then I'm going WR without doubt. BPA end of. 

What if Pitts is there???

22 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Smith's 175, got separation in college but we've all seen it far too often when they get their welcome to the NFL. Losing Ertz, Goedert up for an extension in a bad cap yr, Pitts could be a great weapon, esp if what we hear what Siri wants to do on O is true. If not and Farley is there I'd go D. Would be more than happy w/ either and both positions are harder to fill than WR in this draft. 

Then again if Wentz goes it all changes.

Djax,same weight,he hasn't made made career for himself? He suffered the most being HERE. Ward, Hightower both 190. If we can't add 15 pounds of muscle/bulk to Smith (if he needs it at all) we have no business in the NFL. Apparently 175 is his best playing weight???  IDK for me a mere 15 pounds doesn't mean much. Playing at lower weights makes you LEARN FAST how to avoid big injury hits (see Sproles). Not worried at all about 15 pounds. He won the Heisman, I look at what it takes to win that trophy over QB's(not easy to do)

19 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What if Pitts is there???

You know I was first on here to target Smith (well before the Heisman even). Like Chase, would have NP if Smith is gone to go there, so for me the choice comes down to Smith/Chase or Pitts and I would understand either pick. I think it's a deep WR class and Pitts would be more effective in our offense. We can get a WR MUCH later and still find a decent one. TE's fall off rapidly and if we're dumping Ertz,get the STUD one. Seems a no brainer to me even though I am a Smith fan(also had JJ early last year for us and he ended up being the concensus pick lol) .BIG fan of Smith,but I am going with Ham this time and saying the best PASS CATCHER is Pitts. It takes alot for me to remove my #1 pick, but Ham convinced me to do it. Dude can line it up anywhere,much like JJ last year.Great weapon to have

Ron Jaworski just leaked the Colts offer for Wentz.

Jeff Skversky 6abc on Twitter: "👀 Talked to Ron Jaworski about the Carson Wentz - Eagles Trade Drama "My understanding is that the Colts have offered 2 - 2nd round draft choices, maybe a 3rd or 4th down the road. That appears to be the best offer I have heard” #Eagles holding out for 1st! @6abc @JawsCEOQB https://t.co/kYVbhwnL3h" / Twitter

The value of the Colts offer is about 900 points, whereas the Eagles are seeking two first round picks, which have a value of about 1,600 points.

Here's what i can't figure out. This deal should be easy to get done. The Eagles get this year's number 1, which has a value of 800 points. Then make next year's pick conditional. If the Colts make the playoffs and Wentz plays the majority of the snaps, it becomes a 1. The value of that pick is around 800 points, but the Colts would get good QB play, so it's fair. If they don't make the playoffs or if Wentz doesn't play a lot of snaps, make it a fourth round pick, which is going to be worth less than 100 points, so the total value of the trade is about the same as their current offer.

The fact that this seems really easy to negotiate means that something else is holding it up, namely that the Colts don't want to give up a first even though they are essentially giving up a first. But the Bears should be able to easily beat that offer.      

If Hurts is the guy(uncontested) and I get a round 1 pick for Wentz, I would have NP taking Pitts and Waddle. That would nearly complete the receiving corps needs.. Pitts/Goedert,  Reagor/Waddle/Ward/Hightower/Fulgham/Watkins/Jjaw. Also if we traded Ertz we get another pick somewhere. I also have zero clue what we are doing with Goodwin

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Ron Jaworski just leaked the Colts offer for Wentz.

Jeff Skversky 6abc on Twitter: "👀 Talked to Ron Jaworski about the Carson Wentz - Eagles Trade Drama "My understanding is that the Colts have offered 2 - 2nd round draft choices, maybe a 3rd or 4th down the road. That appears to be the best offer I have heard” #Eagles holding out for 1st! @6abc @JawsCEOQB https://t.co/kYVbhwnL3h" / Twitter

The value of the Colts offer is about 900 points, whereas the Eagles are seeking two first round picks, which have a value of about 1,600 points.

Here's what i can't figure out. This deal should be easy to get done. The Eagles get this year's number 1, which has a value of 800 points. Then make next year's pick conditional. If the Colts make the playoffs and Wentz plays the majority of the snaps, it becomes a 1. The value of that pick is around 800 points, but the Colts would get good QB play, so it's fair. If they don't make the playoffs or if Wentz doesn't play a lot of snaps, make it a fourth round pick, which is going to be worth less than 100 points, so the total value of the trade is about the same as their current offer.

The fact that this seems really easy to negotiate means that something else is holding it up, namely that the Colts don't want to give up a first even though they are essentially giving up a first. But the Bears should be able to easily beat that offer.      

Would you do a 1, 2, and 4th THIS year? I would. I would hit the Colts with that offer.Of course that really hampers the colts draft this year

14 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Ron Jaworski just leaked the Colts offer for Wentz.

Jeff Skversky 6abc on Twitter: "👀 Talked to Ron Jaworski about the Carson Wentz - Eagles Trade Drama "My understanding is that the Colts have offered 2 - 2nd round draft choices, maybe a 3rd or 4th down the road. That appears to be the best offer I have heard” #Eagles holding out for 1st! @6abc @JawsCEOQB https://t.co/kYVbhwnL3h" / Twitter

The value of the Colts offer is about 900 points, whereas the Eagles are seeking two first round picks, which have a value of about 1,600 points.

Here's what i can't figure out. This deal should be easy to get done. The Eagles get this year's number 1, which has a value of 800 points. Then make next year's pick conditional. If the Colts make the playoffs and Wentz plays the majority of the snaps, it becomes a 1. The value of that pick is around 800 points, but the Colts would get good QB play, so it's fair. If they don't make the playoffs or if Wentz doesn't play a lot of snaps, make it a fourth round pick, which is going to be worth less than 100 points, so the total value of the trade is about the same as their current offer.

The fact that this seems really easy to negotiate means that something else is holding it up, namely that the Colts don't want to give up a first even though they are essentially giving up a first. But the Bears should be able to easily beat that offer.      

Wondering too if we could work it out for Brissett cause we will need a BU for Hurts yes???? I mean if we decide NOT to take a high QB pick. Unless we re-sign DUDS, we have noone unless we draft a high one and I think he would be nice BU. Grab Brady White as a UDFA #3 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Thats why I have him in round 5 and not 2 lol

Point well taken

22 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Would you do a 1, 2, and 4th THIS year? I would. I would hit the Colts with that offer.Of course that really hampers the colts draft this year

I think the Colts won't risk that much this year on him. And it only seems like the Eagles should be willing to absorb some of the risk if he plays poorly or gets hurt.

A deal of a first and a conditional 2022 pick that could range from a first to a fourth seems fair to everyone. If Wentz plays well, the Colts or the Bears paid a fair price. If he doesn't, they won't get robbed as a fourth round pick is nothing. It just seems like someone should make that deal. 

Welp I’ll put it out there my biggest fear and concern if we are serious about moving forward with Hurts is we will be back to the bronze standard of football.

We will be good enough to squeak into the playoffs but never a serious SB contender. Being a team like the Alex Smith Chiefs, Andy Dalton Bengals, the bears etc. 

I just don’t see Hurts as the guy great guy leader probably but think he will be a avg. starter he will become the new bar for NFL teams to want better then just like Mr. Andy Dalton was 

43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Would you do a 1, 2, and 4th THIS year? I would. I would hit the Colts with that offer.Of course that really hampers the colts draft this year

If you look back through the various threads discussing a Wentz trade, I’ve said all along we should expect a 2021 2nd and conditional 2022 2nd.  I don’t think there is ANY way we get a 1, 2 and more this year.  

 

 

29 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Welp I’ll put it out there my biggest fear and concern if we are serious about moving forward with Hurts is we will be back to the bronze standard of football.

We will be good enough to squeak into the playoffs but never a serious SB contender. Being a team like the Alex Smith Chiefs, Andy Dalton Bengals, the bears etc. 

I just don’t see Hurts as the guy great guy leader probably but think he will be a avg. starter he will become the new bar for NFL teams to want better then just like Mr. Andy Dalton was 

The only time we were ever more than the bronze standard recently was 3 years ago.  And I’d like to think that if it becomes obvious Hurts isn’t the guy in a year or two we’d try again with someone else.  But who knows maybe we do indeed draft another QB this year.  I was against it initially but some of you here have been making solid arguments for it and upon further thought I’ve come around to not hating it if it happens (it’s a start haha).  

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

Point well taken

This team needs so much it's hard to know where to begin lol

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

I think the Colts won't risk that much this year on him. And it only seems like the Eagles should be willing to absorb some of the risk if he plays poorly or gets hurt.

A deal of a first and a conditional 2022 pick that could range from a first to a fourth seems fair to everyone. If Wentz plays well, the Colts or the Bears paid a fair price. If he doesn't, they won't get robbed as a fourth round pick is nothing. It just seems like someone should make that deal. 

Yeah I was just "dreaming" of getting those extra picks to speed up the retool lol

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

If you look back through the various threads discussing a Wentz trade, I’ve said all along we should expect a 2021 2nd and conditional 2022 2nd.  I don’t think there is ANY way we get a 1, 2 and more this year.  

 

 

I know,I was dreaming again LOL. I'm not accepting 2-2's. I don't think the Eagles will either. Noone wanted Bradford until there was a emergency. 

43 minutes ago, time2rock said:

The only time we were ever more than the bronze standard recently was 3 years ago.  And I’d like to think that if it becomes obvious Hurts isn’t the guy in a year or two we’d try again with someone else.  But who knows maybe we do indeed draft another QB this year.  I was against it initially but some of you here have been making solid arguments for it and upon further thought I’ve come around to not hating it if it happens (it’s a start haha).  

Lots of ways we can go. TOO many scenarios because we suck so badly. Not going to fix it all in 1 draft, but whatever path we choose I hope we can get 3/4's in place. Everyone on here has great picks just depends on which path you like. Howie needs to lock us all in the war room with pizza and beer and we will get him the players!!!!

45 minutes ago, time2rock said:

The only time we were ever more than the bronze standard recently was 3 years ago.  And I’d like to think that if it becomes obvious Hurts isn’t the guy in a year or two we’d try again with someone else.  But who knows maybe we do indeed draft another QB this year.  I was against it initially but some of you here have been making solid arguments for it and upon further thought I’ve come around to not hating it if it happens (it’s a start haha).  

And that tough to do when your sitting at 20th pick consistently I don’t think we will be  bad and just able to get a guy I just don’t think we will be legit either so stuck in that middle range of purgatory. 
 

And let’s be real with Lurie and Howie we will be perfectly fine if they just make playoffs year after year with no real chance at winning. 

18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

This team needs so much it's hard to know where to begin lol

Begin with the GM.

6 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

I think you miss my point.

Stats mean nothing if you're up against inferior competition, AKA most of the ACC. You have to look at his physical measurables and try to determine his attitude.

Hell, I can put up good stats as long as the guy guarding me is in a wheelchair.

Well, maybe not yet. I'm still hobbling around on a cane

Farley and Surtain are ACC CBs from Va Tech and Fl St. Two of the top corners in this draft. Clemson CB went back to college or it would be three. At S there is Nasirldeen from FL St ranked number two at the position. Ford from Pitt and Cisco from Syracuse are two more S in this draft ranked in the top five...or six depending on site. Cisco would be perfect for us. Heck of a FS. Instead of being weak...looks to me like the ACC is the most talented in all the land.

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And that tough to do when your sitting at 20th pick consistently I don’t think we will be  bad and just able to get a guy I just don’t think we will be legit either so stuck in that middle range of purgatory. 
 

And let’s be real with Lurie and Howie we will be perfectly fine if they just make playoffs year after year with no real chance at winning. 

Why won't we be bad?  Let's just say you have a phenomenal draft that includes the QB you want.  Graham and Cox get hurt.   How do you think we do? Can't use free agency, so who is our defense stopping?  Hurts has to pass now... in that scenario,  we could easily be bad, especially thinking that first round pick is on the bench watching Hurts. 

2022 then roles around...what about Kelce,  Brooks, Lane, Graham, Cox, Slay...  this team could easily be bad for a while.    It's why I wouldn't rush to draft a QB.  Although I would love to see it, just because it would make Howie even less popular...but with a new group of young Eagles who are all in for Hurts. 

2 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

Smith's 175, got separation in college but we've all seen it far too often when they get their welcome to the NFL. Losing Ertz, Goedert up for an extension in a bad cap yr, Pitts could be a great weapon, esp if what we hear what Siri wants to do on O is true. If not and Farley is there I'd go D. Would be more than happy w/ either and both positions are harder to fill than WR in this draft. 

Then again if Wentz goes it all changes.

I think Smith could be 175....with two sacks of potatoes over his shoulder

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Why won't we be bad?  Let's just say you have a phenomenal draft that includes the QB you want.  Graham and Cox get hurt.   How do you think we do? Can't use free agency, so who is our defense stopping?  Hurts has to pass now... in that scenario,  we could easily be bad, especially thinking that first round pick is on the bench watching Hurts. 

2022 then roles around...what about Kelce,  Brooks, Lane, Graham, Cox, Slay...  this team could easily be bad for a while.    It's why I wouldn't rush to draft a QB.  Although I would love to see it, just because it would make Howie even less popular...but with a new group of young Eagles who are all in for Hurts. 

We could be bad but it goes to my biggest fear from the previous post that we will be middle of the road and happy with it 

13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can’t really count Tankgame. So really those stats are from three games. One of which was against arguably the best defense in the league. But let’s see what happens when we get some blocking going up front. Over 330 yards with a bad Oline in two of the three games.

Then I have to take away the stats from tank game.... so those stats aren't really from 3 games.   Plus I don't think our guys were playing to lose... do you? Not for the first 3 quarters.  The regular OL was playing.. so for sure it should count.  You keep looking at yards like he was a good passer.  Less than 52% completion and he was throwing short most of the time.  Dump off passes where the defense lets them get yards isn't impressive to me.  Dude needs a ton of work and will need to play almost perfect due to lack of NFL arm talent.   Popularity among this pathetic roster doesn't do much for me. A lot of work to do for Hurts, especially in the passing department. 

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Ron Jaworski just leaked the Colts offer for Wentz.

Jeff Skversky 6abc on Twitter: "👀 Talked to Ron Jaworski about the Carson Wentz - Eagles Trade Drama "My understanding is that the Colts have offered 2 - 2nd round draft choices, maybe a 3rd or 4th down the road. That appears to be the best offer I have heard” #Eagles holding out for 1st! @6abc @JawsCEOQB https://t.co/kYVbhwnL3h" / Twitter

The value of the Colts offer is about 900 points, whereas the Eagles are seeking two first round picks, which have a value of about 1,600 points.

Here's what i can't figure out. This deal should be easy to get done. The Eagles get this year's number 1, which has a value of 800 points. Then make next year's pick conditional. If the Colts make the playoffs and Wentz plays the majority of the snaps, it becomes a 1. The value of that pick is around 800 points, but the Colts would get good QB play, so it's fair. If they don't make the playoffs or if Wentz doesn't play a lot of snaps, make it a fourth round pick, which is going to be worth less than 100 points, so the total value of the trade is about the same as their current offer.

The fact that this seems really easy to negotiate means that something else is holding it up, namely that the Colts don't want to give up a first even though they are essentially giving up a first. But the Bears should be able to easily beat that offer.      

I had my bar set at second round pick. So this would be a good deal for us. I don’t believe the Colts have two second round picks this year. So I’m assuming one this draft and another in 2022. Or it’s fairly likely the 2022 is a second at best....conditionally being a third or fourth instead if he flails or gets injured.

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

We could be bad but it goes to my biggest fear from the previous post that we will be middle of the road and happy with it 

Without making the playoffs,  18 will be the worst we pick.   Middle of the road would be great accomplishment for 2021.  My issue is I think 2022 and 2023 should be worse, due to losing the guys I mentioned.  Our 3 pro bowlers played well... to get us to 4 wins. Without them , it takes away and gains initially made if we can add to them.  I wouldn't put a 1st round pick QB in this environment.  Roster not good enough yet. I don't anticipate Hurts getting a 2nd contract here,  let him play a couple years and get the next QB then.  Let us get the roster turned over first,  and Hurts can't complain that we wasted a pick on QB, so no excuses. 

Look at the Jets.  I think Darnold may be good, but he played with crap all this time, now what do you do if you are them?  I don't want that for any rookie now and also take away Hurts shot to surprise us.