Reports saying Seattle/Indy interested in Ertz...

Would think that if Indy has interest in Ertz/Wentz we could get the deal done sooner unless we massively boosting the cost for both.

Wentz/Ertz for what 21st 3rd and a conditional 22 pick be as high as a 1st or as low as a 3rd something like that 

36 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Welp your the complete opposite of me that is for sure I’ll be pissed if we don’t take a QB. Don’t believe in Hurts in the slightest 

IDK, hard for me to guess on QB(although I was first to mention it). I am leaning a bit towards Joe now, let's get some players in here, see what Hurts does(sink/swim) Not against taking some UDFA's. I like Brady White from Memphis and Zac Thomas from App st. maybe pick up Brissett since our coach is familiar with him. Most of this would hinge on the Wentz deal,but it seems to me his trade value is falling rather rapidly

 

So, since Weaver most Likely going in 4,this is my mock right now Pitts, Moehrig(S), Adebo (CB), Rumph(egde/OLB certain plays), Rodgers or Grimes at WR, FIsher(ILB), Jefferson(RB)

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK, hard for me to guess on QB(although I was first to mention it). I am leaning a bit towards Joe now, let's get some players in here, see what Hurts does(sink/swim) Not against taking some UDFA's. I like Brady White from Memphis and Zac Thomas from App st. maybe pick up Brissett since our coach is familiar with him. Most of this would hinge on the Wentz deal,but it seems to me his trade value is falling rather rapidly

 

I'm with BG... however,  I think the best thing for the team going forward is committing to Hurts.. he fails, bye bye Howie.  BG is wrapped up in the moment looking to do the slightly better move now by getting a functional QB instead of the gimmick running QB Hurts.  

I believe strongly the first move in winning the SB was 2015 giving Chip the rope to hang himself.  I want Howie to grab that rope. A strong rope that doesn't break with drafting another QB that can be an out for Howie to keep his job.  I don't want to give him an out. You F##$ed with the careers of both the coach and QB ... now its your turn. Go down in flames with Hurts if he fails.  Never to make another personnel decision again for my team. 

This is why I don't want a QB. Otherwise I would be 100% with BG.

Humiliation is a strong motivator.  The Eagles were humiliated at the end of 2015.  That needs to happen again here, if we truly want to get the team back to playing for a SB.

41 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'm with BG... however,  I think the best thing for the team going forward is committing to Hurts

SO playing both sides of this fence are ya? lol

40 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Humiliation is a strong motivator.  The Eagles were humiliated at the end of 2015.  That needs to happen again here, if we truly want to get the team back to playing for a SB.

Not sure we were humiliated. Not many teams would be playoff bound with the amount of players that could not play. 3rd string line and PS WR's? Noone will win the division with that

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK, hard for me to guess on QB(although I was first to mention it). I am leaning a bit towards Joe now, let's get some players in here, see what Hurts does(sink/swim) Not against taking some UDFA's. I like Brady White from Memphis and Zac Thomas from App st. maybe pick up Brissett since our coach is familiar with him. Most of this would hinge on the Wentz deal,but it seems to me his trade value is falling rather rapidly

 

I stand by my point I think the roster is middle of the road that’s where I differ from Joe he thinks the roster is terrible.

I feel like hurts we will be sitting at 8-8 to 10-6 team and be in a tough spot to get a new QB 

45 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'm with BG... however,  I think the best thing for the team going forward is committing to Hurts.. he fails, bye bye Howie.  BG is wrapped up in the moment looking to do the slightly better move now by getting a functional QB instead of the gimmick running QB Hurts.  

I believe strongly the first move in winning the SB was 2015 giving Chip the rope to hang himself.  I want Howie to grab that rope. A strong rope that doesn't break with drafting another QB that can be an out for Howie to keep his job.  I don't want to give him an out. You F##$ed with the careers of both the coach and QB ... now its your turn. Go down in flames with Hurts if he fails.  Never to make another personnel decision again for my team. 

This is why I don't want a QB. Otherwise I would be 100% with BG.

BTW Howie can pick up Brissett, he doesn't have to draft one to CHA

In 2022 I look at Tanner Morgan from Minnesota

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I stand by my point I think the roster is middle of the road that’s where I differ from Joe he thinks the roster is terrible.

I feel like hurts we will be sitting at 8-8 to 10-6 team and be in a tough spot to get a new QB 

If he goes 10-6 why would we need another QB?

4 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

You sure you want to just give Wilson Ertz? Yeah I guess I'm not being realistic. Not like we can contend or anything. They were really bad last year.  Guess you can't write that all off to a lack of motivation. 

Best trade value is now,especially if we draft Pitts first. Right, we're not contending,so let rebuild this team for the future

5 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

Oh so that's your thinking. I'm so old I was around for Keith Jackson.  Jackson was the better player and he only went what? 13 or 14? If Pitts is your target you're obviously trading down. 

Think Ertz should be dealt sure. Not sure I want to give him to Russel Wilson is all. Ertz can't run after he catches the ball so it's probably no harm. 

I'm 65 lol. Why would I trade down? I want the STUD at the position. Plenty of WR's, very deep class

2 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

Got me beat. Haha . Yeah I'm in FL .. Watch Pitts every week. He's good. He's being overvalued. 

I moved from FL last march lol. Depends who is doing the overvaluing eh?. My opinion is there are plenty of WR to be had all through this draft,TE's maybe 3 worth anything. If Ertz is going,I want that replaced

1 minute ago, DumbleBear said:

If Howie's the GM, don't see them going Offense at all unless it's a QB . Probably looking like hell to trade down although nowadays with the Rookie scale structure in place teams don't really care like they used to do. 

Welp, you can scan back for about 50 pages where we discussed all this lol. Welcome to the bored BTW

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I feel like hurts we will be sitting at 8-8 to 10-6 team and be in a tough spot to get a new QB 

Good point that I forgot to consider. Hmmmm…………

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Welp your the complete opposite of me that is for sure I’ll be pissed if we don’t take a QB. Don’t believe in Hurts in the slightest 

I also don't believe in Hurts but i'm one of a small minority thet thinks Wentz isn't going anywhere unless someone makes a crazy offer for him.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

In 2022 I look at Tanner Morgan from Minnesota

If he goes 10-6 why would we need another QB?

Because I don’t think he will be a good QB that we will be stuck in that middle ground think the Bears with Mitch.

They have a good roster good teams but never over the hump. 

30 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I also don't believe in Hurts but i'm one of a small minority thet thinks Wentz isn't going anywhere unless someone makes a crazy offer for him.

If Wentz is still here that changes things slightly 

23 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Because I don’t think he will be a good QB that we will be stuck in that middle ground think the Bears with Mitch.

They have a good roster good teams but never over the hump

And I think that's the worst position for a team to be in. Good enough to win games that hurt draft position, not good enough to be contenders. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Not sure we were humiliated. Not many teams would be playoff bound with the amount of players that could not play. 3rd string line and PS WR's? Noone will win the division with that

In 2015 Lurie was a laughing stock after committing 100% to Chip.   The humiliation is coming, not so much now because the idea that the coach and/ or QB were the problem still exists.   The continued results of the team will be the humiliation.  It's why I want to go with Hurts... because I agree with BG that another QB would be better, but I think that bails out Howie.  I want him to crash and burn with Hurts. I want Hurts to be his last QB.  I would prefer the team staying in the toilet for a couple years while the old guys finish up and the roster turns over.  Then the next GM can pick the QB in a couple years.

Not both sides of the fence at all. 

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

 

I feel like hurts we will be sitting at 8-8 to 10-6 team and be in a tough spot to get a new QB 

Reality is about to set in.  But I can see where we differ. For most of your time being an Eagles fan... it's like clockwork that the division is bad.   Looking at the next few years,  other than I think McCarthy is a brutal coach... the rest of the teams look decent. They have been bad the last few years, but have some young talent.  I think the Giants are one good receiver away from being pretty good.  Dallas is that 8 - 10 win team.  Injuries killed them.  Washington needs a QB, they have a good coach.  I don't see any of them will aging talent like us. 

A lot less work for those teams to improve in the next few years.  And they are already ahead of us.   It's not like we have the huge advantage in cap space and draft capital anymore either.  We could count on those advantages before. 

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

BTW Howie can pick up Brissett, he doesn't have to draft one to CHA

We don't have cap space... times are different now.  

2 hours ago, DumbleBear said:

Oh so that's your thinking. I'm so old I was around for Keith Jackson.  Jackson was the better player and he only went what? 13 or 14? If Pitts is your target you're obviously trading down. 

Think Ertz should be dealt sure. Not sure I want to give him to Russel Wilson is all. Ertz can't run after he catches the ball so it's probably no harm. 

Ertz has good chance of getting cut. Russell Wilson will be 40 years old by the time the Eagles are any threat to him. Ertz will be retired

In 2016, we were 7-9.  Kelce, Brooks and Lane were 5 years younger.  

Cox, Graham and McCloud were 5 years younger. 

We had guys like Sproles, Celek, Burton, Maragos, Brahman as glue guys and special teams.

Our LBs were Hicks, Kendricks and Bradham.

Ertz was starting to turn it up a notch. 

Malcolm Jenkins was here and in his prime.

How does this roster get to win more games being that we can't add any free agents?   

 

If Hurts can get this roster to 10 wins, he is the guy of the future.  When we actually add talent and guys that are in prime stages of their careers...and our younger guys who won 10 games only get better... why would we want to change the QB? 

Hey I was wrong with Tampa... but not really. I said they won 7 games last year I could see improvement to 10-11 wins.  They basically were that team. .. a wildcard team that got hot and got some luck at the end. They were not a clear favorite all season.    The Eagles winning 10 games would have to be a year long thing, not getting hot or lucky for a week or 2.  Much different.  But again, it's easy to see fans being in denial.  A lot of bad luck happened last year. Also 3 guys over 30 played at a pro bowl level.  That won't last forever,  I think we take that for granted.  Things will balance out. And we should expect improvement from the other 3 teams in the division,  can't bury our heads in the sand about that.   They have out drafted us recently,  by a wide margin.  Very uphill climb for us. 

5 hours ago, DumbleBear said:

Oh so that's your thinking. I'm so old I was around for Keith Jackson.  Jackson was the better player and he only went what? 13 or 14? If Pitts is your target you're obviously trading down. 

Think Ertz should be dealt sure. Not sure I want to give him to Russel Wilson is all. Ertz can't run after he catches the ball so it's probably no harm. 

Hoping Ertz will be added to sweeten a deal sending Wentz to Indy, maybe increasing that 2 x 2nd rd picks to a 1st and a 2nd (even if the 1st was in 2022 and the 2nd this year).  I really don’t think we can expect any better than that.