Just now, joemas6 said:

Agree on the QB... we disagree on the rest of the team.  It's ok, you aren't used to the Eagles ever being bad for an extended period of time.  It's been a while.  

Barnett, Ertz...etc... no trade leverage there without multiple years left on the contract and teams knowing we need to cut them to get under the cap.

Great articles yesterday pointing out that " adding Ertz or anyone else " may force the Eagles to give back picks.  As teams would have to deal with more salary. 

Right now teams are strapped for cap space. It's almost necessary to wait for guys to get released and sign them on your own terms.  

Its fine by me joe disagree with you disagreed with you on TB said they were SB contenders and boom. Say the same thing on this Eagles roster it’s fine middle of the road group held back by QB hence me saying we need QB 

35 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Considering the mess that was the O line, i'm surprised we won at all

   How would you consider our O-Line as a whole now? I am curious as I thought Herbig, Mailata and Driscoll all played well last year. Pryor stunk and another I cannot remember also stunk. But when Peters was out and Mailata was in, I thought we played well at that position. I also thought Herbig was a reliable player at guard. Driscoll did OK at right tackle also. You are saying our O-Line was a mess. Yet this O-Line ranked 2nd rushing yards per attempt in the NFL. I know I keep hampering on this, but it is a good measuring stick when deciding how well O-Lines perform. Another stat was our QB held onto the ball second longest in the NFL averaging over 3 seconds per drop back.

   So, we have a coach, not calling running plays to help out the QB. We have a QB holding onto the ball forever which makes out O-Line look worse than it would have had he got rid of the ball around 2.7 seconds. That half second longer had to account to a bunch of sacks, no? I am not so sure our O-Line was the mess everyone keeps stating on here. Was it bad in certain games, Sure. But we cannot pin this solely on the O-Line IMO. IT is a team effort. How did the RB's do blocking? Scott was pitiful. Sanders was not good either.

 

  

I made a correction. Driscoll played RT I think, not Left...

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

Considering the mess that was the O line, i'm surprised we won at all

Thats why I said "in spite of" lol

Here is a good article about the first 32 sacks given up last year. If you look closely, almost half were not because of the O-Line. Either Wentz, Scheme or RB. I am not looking at the TE either as we are talking about the 5 O-Lineman as a unit.

 

   https://www.phillyvoice.com/look-eagles-nfl-leading-32-sacks-allowed-gifs-and-stuff-0599970/

 

  Not sure if they included all plays where Wentz held the ball over 3.3 seconds

 

 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao so why are the bears moving from Mitch got them to the playoffs multiple seasons. Again Hurts= Mitch to me 

WTH does Mitch have to do with Hurts on a totally different team???(you're reaching lmao)

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

This won't be a one year process. The 2 things that need to happen... 1. We stay in the basement for a couple years.  2.  Wentz would need to have success elsewhere,  considerable success and for multiple years.    If we go a few more years without drafting a pro bowl player, that helps.  And if Doug gets a job elsewhere and does well,that also helps. 

We aren't talking about a one year process.  

Yes I know Joe,but the object is to get back to success as fast as possible? I'm not "tanking" for 2 years,or then NOONE would play here

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

WTH does Mitch have to do with Hurts on a totally different team???(you're reaching lmao)

 Not reaching at all it’s my opinion sure but that how I see Hurts as basically another Mitch 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Not all we had 10 injured OL and if you actually read the post I stated I see us as an 8-8 to 10-6 to anywhere in between those numbers with Hurts basically middle of the pack squad that will never get over the hump

yes.but according to you we should have won "in spite of" Wentz. 8-8 is not 10-6, make up your mind. If my QB goes 10-6 in basically his rookie year, or at least his first season starting thats a KEEPER. According to you at 10-6 he needs replaced lmao

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

 Not reaching at all it’s my opinion sure but that how I see Hurts as basically another Mitch 

He played FOUR games JFC, now we know ALL there is to know after 4 games with a scrub line and PS WR's? HAHAHAHA. Please

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

yes.but according to you we should have won "in spite of" Wentz. 8-8 is not 10-6, make up your mind. If my QB goes 10-6 in basically his rookie year, or at least his first season starting thats a KEEPER. According to you at 10-6 he needs replaced lmao

Lmao whatever you say not arguing with you cuz you disagree with me. I don’t really care if you agree with me 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He played FOUR games JFC, now we know ALL there is to know after 4 games with a scrub line and PS WR's? HAHAHAHA. Please

We make opinions and judgement on all players it is what it is. If you think Hurts is more fine I don’t I see him as a Mitch that simple 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

the opposite we have a decent roster but the QB will hold us back

IDK, if we had a decent roster last year would Wentz have held us back? We'll never know

6 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao whatever you say not arguing with you cuz you disagree with me. I don’t really care if you agree with me 

We make opinions and judgement on all players it is what it is. If you think Hurts is more fine I don’t I see him as a Mitch that simple 

No, whats simple is you making assumptions on a player who's played 4 games with scrubs and comparing him to a perennial middle of the pack QB with ZERO ways to know, just jumping to conclusions for no reason. I MAY agree with you AFTER I see 8-9 more games with Hurts starting. OH and BTW the Bears took our SB winning QB!!!! How did that go???? I mean they should have won in SPITE of Foles or Mitch

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

And again.... this was not the whole season.  What were you saying after week 12 and they got lit up by KC.  

All teams have crap games we all know that and I said the offense was not consistent. Those O players had just arrived recently, no time to get things going with Brady . Timing was off etc, but they fixed that pretty fast!!!! 

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No, whats simple is you making assumptions on a player who's played 4 games with scrubs and comparing him to a perennial middle of the pack QB with ZERO ways to know, just jumping to conclusions for no reason. I MAY agree with you AFTER I see 8-9 more games with Hurts starting. OH and BTW the Bears took our SB winning QB!!!! How did that go???? I mean they should have won in SPITE of Foles or Mitch

They made the playoffs didn’t they and they did win lot of games in spite of those QBs....they also went 12-4 what two years ago. 

Look if you think Hurts is good fine or if you want to see more fine do you. He is Mitch to me that simple. 
 

if you don’t agree again it’s fine don’t agree lmao your not saying anything that will change my opinion on the matter 

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

They made the playoffs didn’t they and they did win lot of games in spite of those QBs....they also went 12-4 what two years ago. 

Look if you think Hurts is good fine or if you want to see more fine do you. He is Mitch to me that simple. 
 

if you don’t agree again it’s fine don’t agree lmao your not saying anything that will change my opinion on the matter 

I'm just utterly AMAZED that you already know Hurts is "middle of the road" after 4 games with scrubs. My hats off to you. I personally want to see more before I make that decision. And ZERO of this has a THING to do with Mitch or the bears

1 hour ago, stine said:

   How would you consider our O-Line as a whole now? I am curious as I thought Herbig, Mailata and Driscoll all played well last year. Pryor stunk and another I cannot remember also stunk. But when Peters was out and Mailata was in, I thought we played well at that position. I also thought Herbig was a reliable player at guard. Driscoll did OK at right tackle also. You are saying our O-Line was a mess. Yet this O-Line ranked 2nd rushing yards per attempt in the NFL. I know I keep hampering on this, but it is a good measuring stick when deciding how well O-Lines perform. Another stat was our QB held onto the ball second longest in the NFL averaging over 3 seconds per drop back.

   So, we have a coach, not calling running plays to help out the QB. We have a QB holding onto the ball forever which makes out O-Line look worse than it would have had he got rid of the ball around 2.7 seconds. That half second longer had to account to a bunch of sacks, no? I am not so sure our O-Line was the mess everyone keeps stating on here. Was it bad in certain games, Sure. But we cannot pin this solely on the O-Line IMO. IT is a team effort. How did the RB's do blocking? Scott was pitiful. Sanders was not good either.

 

  

If Kelce stays i'd consider the O line top 3 in the NFL. Especially if Dillard lives up to the pre draft hype.

The O line was bad all year, not because of a lack of talent, but because they never had the opportunity to play together and a lack of individual experience.

They can't have the same amount of injuries next year.............can they?

Anyway, don't hate Hurts, don't know if I like Hurts, its too early to know. I will give the guy his shot just(with some decent players to work with) like I would anyone else. I can't write him in, nor can I write him off. If you want to draft a QB in 1, then you do, but you'd have the same issues of not knowing Diddly, if HE started game 1. We had a semi decent team when we put Wentz on the field year 1. Hurts, played with scrubs, hard to compare the 2

In 2016(Wentz first year) we went 7-9. Yep we shoulda pulled that middle of the pack loser right away

1 hour ago, stine said:

   How would you consider our O-Line as a whole now? I am curious as I thought Herbig, Mailata and Driscoll all played well last year. Pryor stunk and another I cannot remember also stunk. But when Peters was out and Mailata was in, I thought we played well at that position. I also thought Herbig was a reliable player at guard. Driscoll did OK at right tackle also. You are saying our O-Line was a mess. Yet this O-Line ranked 2nd rushing yards per attempt in the NFL. I know I keep hampering on this, but it is a good measuring stick when deciding how well O-Lines perform. Another stat was our QB held onto the ball second longest in the NFL averaging over 3 seconds per drop back.

   So, we have a coach, not calling running plays to help out the QB. We have a QB holding onto the ball forever which makes out O-Line look worse than it would have had he got rid of the ball around 2.7 seconds. That half second longer had to account to a bunch of sacks, no? I am not so sure our O-Line was the mess everyone keeps stating on here. Was it bad in certain games, Sure. But we cannot pin this solely on the O-Line IMO. IT is a team effort. How did the RB's do blocking? Scott was pitiful. Sanders was not good either.

 

  

Opeta?

I think we have some good pieces in place (behind the presumed starters ... LT (either Mailata or Dillard), Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson).  Driscoll didn't look bad in limited looks on RT, Herbig looked decent at RG.  It really is a matter of these guys getting more experience.  I think what hurt most was switching the starting lineup basically weekly.  Need consistency to develop chemistry with those playing next to you.  

It seems like the longer this Wentz situation drags on, the more it makes sense just to keep him. He's not going to cause any problems in the locker room, and if he comes out and plays really well in the new offense, he may want to end up staying. Nothing cures discontent like winning. 

I just don't see any benefit to trading him when the best we are going to do is a pick in the 50s, plus whatever we can wrangle for 2022. I think if we were getting a top 25 pick this year, trading him makes sense, but if that isn't the case, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

The biggest issue is the salary cap, as the team will need some clarity in that area. But there seem to be some easy moves to make, release/trade Ertz, Jackson, Jackson, Jeffery, Goodwin, extend/trade Barnett, restructure Graham, etc.

Hurts is the one who gets the short end of the stick, but he seems like a kid who has been through it before and won't let it affect him.  

 

 

27 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Opeta?

I think we have some good pieces in place (behind the presumed starters ... LT (either Mailata or Dillard), Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson).  Driscoll didn't look bad in limited looks on RT, Herbig looked decent at RG.  It really is a matter of these guys getting more experience.  I think what hurt most was switching the starting lineup basically weekly.  Need consistency to develop chemistry with those playing next to you.  

Opeta, Pryor and Brown. Those 3 stunk to high heaven. Other than those three I thought the others played well. Granted, it may have taken a bit of time for the others, but it was not all their faults. So I think we do have a decent line this year. As long as we do not lose more than a few we should be fine. Brooks for the year, Johnson and Suemalo for most of the season hurt. Peters was also bad at pass blocking last season. Get rid of Peters, Brown and Opeta we should be good to go. Grab a few linemen with high ceilings and train them for a year or two.

IDK I just find it interesting that we allow other players to develop, but we expect our new QB to be pro bowl ready day 1

19 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

It seems like the longer this Wentz situation drags on, the more it makes sense just to keep him. He's not going to cause any problems in the locker room, and if he comes out and plays really well in the new offense, he may want to end up staying. Nothing cures discontent like winning. 

I just don't see any benefit to trading him when the best we are going to do is a pick in the 50s, plus whatever we can wrangle for 2022. I think if we were getting a top 25 pick this year, trading him makes sense, but if that isn't the case, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

The biggest issue is the salary cap, as the team will need some clarity in that area. But there seem to be some easy moves to make, release/trade Ertz, Jackson, Jackson, Jeffery, Goodwin, extend/trade Barnett, restructure Graham, etc.

Hurts is the one who gets the short end of the stick, but he seems like a kid who has been through it before and won't let it affect him.  

 

 

IDK, if the team quit on Wentz, why would they want to play with him? IDK how much convincing that would take team wide. I suppose it's possible, but few have talked about him being here

12 minutes ago, stine said:

Opeta, Pryor and Brown. Those 3 stunk to high heaven. Other than those three I thought the others played well. Granted, it may have taken a bit of time for the others, but it was not all their faults. So I think we do have a decent line this year. As long as we do not lose more than a few we should be fine. Brooks for the year, Johnson and Suemalo for most of the season hurt. Peters was also bad at pass blocking last season. Get rid of Peters, Brown and Opeta we should be good to go. Grab a few linemen with high ceilings and train them for a year or two.

Agree, pick up a few UDFA's,even a cheap FA. Think we could use a young key cog on the D line. I like Rumph who can also be used as a LB if we need that versatility, or for a few certain plays