28 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

It seems like the longer this Wentz situation drags on, the more it makes sense just to keep him. He's not going to cause any problems in the locker room, and if he comes out and plays really well in the new offense, he may want to end up staying. Nothing cures discontent like winning. 

I just don't see any benefit to trading him when the best we are going to do is a pick in the 50s, plus whatever we can wrangle for 2022. I think if we were getting a top 25 pick this year, trading him makes sense, but if that isn't the case, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

The biggest issue is the salary cap, as the team will need some clarity in that area. But there seem to be some easy moves to make, release/trade Ertz, Jackson, Jackson, Jeffery, Goodwin, extend/trade Barnett, restructure Graham, etc.

Hurts is the one who gets the short end of the stick, but he seems like a kid who has been through it before and won't let it affect him.  

 

 

https://nesn.com/2021/02/carson-wentz-rumors-this-team-is-frontrunner-to-land-quarterback/  Doesn't sound to me like he's staying

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Its fine by me joe disagree with you disagreed with you on TB said they were SB contenders and boom. Say the same thing on this Eagles roster it’s fine middle of the road group held back by QB hence me saying we need QB 

I'm just curious as to what you think is middle of the road about our roster...  in the sense that... which teams have which positions worse than us... like middle means half... so taking into consideration you think the QB would hold us back into that middle situation... that means you feel the rest of the roster is above average? Logic would tell us that.

Our LBs, DBs, WRs ... I can't see them being above average compared to the rest of the league?  The lines... are getting old, we've been relying on them to be well above average... I don't see that lasting.   Idk about us being " back" to picking early in the draft.. I think we stay here for a while. 

3 hours ago, stine said:

   How would you consider our O-Line as a whole now? I am curious as I thought Herbig, Mailata and Driscoll all played well last year. Pryor stunk and another I cannot remember also stunk. But when Peters was out and Mailata was in, I thought we played well at that position. I also thought Herbig was a reliable player at guard. Driscoll did OK at right tackle also. You are saying our O-Line was a mess. Yet this O-Line ranked 2nd rushing yards per attempt in the NFL. I know I keep hampering on this, but it is a good measuring stick when deciding how well O-Lines perform. Another stat was our QB held onto the ball second longest in the NFL averaging over 3 seconds per drop back.

   So, we have a coach, not calling running plays to help out the QB. We have a QB holding onto the ball forever which makes out O-Line look worse than it would have had he got rid of the ball around 2.7 seconds. That half second longer had to account to a bunch of sacks, no? I am not so sure our O-Line was the mess everyone keeps stating on here. Was it bad in certain games, Sure. But we cannot pin this solely on the O-Line IMO. IT is a team effort. How did the RB's do blocking? Scott was pitiful. Sanders was not good either.

 

  

How did the OL look with Hurts?  Seemed like he ran a lot.   The other thing,  we had a few really long running plays...  skewed the average a little. 

I think some of the young guys had good individual efforts.  The low expectations kinda raise the bar though.  If Kelce retires, which looks to be the direction he is going.  The older guys coming back to take reps away on the right side.   It could be ok.  But comparison to around the league.  Especially our division.  Other teams have younger players who will get better, and build chemistry with guys they played with consistently last year for NY and Wash.  Dallas had a bunch of injuries on their OL.   

Now flip to our DL which has been our old reliable with Graham and Cox anchoring that.  The legs can easily fall right from under that in a hurry.   Other teams have younger guys that are going to get better.   We can't look at it from we are going to improve and other teams are going to stand still. If anything, those teams should improve more, similar to how say the Buffalo OL did this year with basically the same guys getting that experience together.    Who is ready to step up on the DL.  On the OL, if Lane and Brooks come back, what does that do for Herbig and Driscoll?     It's harder to progress when you don't know your position and who the guys next to you will be. Even harder if you are on the bench. 

2 hours ago, stine said:

Here is a good article about the first 32 sacks given up last year. If you look closely, almost half were not because of the O-Line. Either Wentz, Scheme or RB. I am not looking at the TE either as we are talking about the 5 O-Lineman as a unit.

 

   https://www.phillyvoice.com/look-eagles-nfl-leading-32-sacks-allowed-gifs-and-stuff-0599970/

 

  Not sure if they included all plays where Wentz held the ball over 3.3 seconds

 

 

What about all the times Wentz and Hurts had to run for their lives?  Idk how many sacks Tampa had in the SB, but I know Mahomes was pressured all game long.    That is a factor for sure.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yes I know Joe,but the object is to get back to success as fast as possible? I'm not "tanking" for 2 years,or then NOONE would play here

Nobody is tanking... we will lose because we aren't good enough.  

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

All teams have crap games we all know that and I said the offense was not consistent. Those O players had just arrived recently, no time to get things going with Brady . Timing was off etc, but they fixed that pretty fast!!!! 

At that point Tampa was a borderline playoff team... 3/4 into the season.  It wasn't one bad game.    Again congrats to all those that predicted and saw Tampa as the team to beat at that point in the season... predicting the Saints downfall and the Green Bay blunders that helped propel them to being more than a wildcard team that they showed up til that point.  I'm sure you all predicted the Giants to win both of those years as well.   

But if you flip the conversation to our Eagles... if they win 10 games with this roster, the QB will have to elevate the team,  not hold it back.   But I want him to try, because he is tied to the GM in my mind.  Howie needs to go all in like he did behind Wentz in 2016-17.  Let's see the level of success. Own it either way. 

1 hour ago, stine said:

Opeta, Pryor and Brown. Those 3 stunk to high heaven. Other than those three I thought the others played well. Granted, it may have taken a bit of time for the others, but it was not all their faults. So I think we do have a decent line this year. As long as we do not lose more than a few we should be fine. Brooks for the year, Johnson and Suemalo for most of the season hurt. Peters was also bad at pass blocking last season. Get rid of Peters, Brown and Opeta we should be good to go. Grab a few linemen with high ceilings and train them for a year or two.

Have to wonder if Kelce is going to hang 'em up.  If so that creates a huge hole.  

24 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Nobody is tanking... we will lose because we aren't good enough.  

Nope,not year 1,but lets find something to build off of

34 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Nobody is tanking... we will lose because we aren't good enough.  

If the new coaching staff can instill some discipline anc cut out the pre snap penalties it will go a long way toward improving the team.

How hard is it to remember a snap count or if you forget to watch the damn ball.

1 minute ago, Asg 15 said:

If the new coaching staff can instill some discipline anc cut out the pre snap penalties it will go a long way toward improving the team.

How hard is it to remember a snap count or if you forget to watch the damn ball.

Yep that and if we can find a way to minimize the injuries.  That has been a huge factor against us these past few seasons.  

17 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Have to wonder if Kelce is going to hang 'em up.  If so that creates a huge hole.  

They seem to really like Juriga, and Driscoll has been mentioned as a possible center as well. Personally I think moving Seumalo and putting Herbig at LG would be the best plan, and then groom Driscoll to play RG. 

4 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Yep that and if we can find a way to minimize the injuries.  That has been a huge factor against us these past few seasons.  

Yup. And they're soft tissue injuries.

There's got to be a problem with the strength and training department

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

It's ok, you aren't used to the Eagles ever being bad for an extended period of time.  It's been a while.  

💯.    The Beagles…………OH, the humanity LOL

13 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

They seem to really like Juriga, and Driscoll has been mentioned as a possible center as well. Personally I think moving Seumalo and putting Herbig at LG would be the best plan, and then groom Driscoll to play RG. 

Despite being touted for years, I’m not sold on Seumalo as the future at OC.  

Picked up Shakai Talyor (CB). Here we go with the Colts imports lol

24 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Despite being touted for years, I’m not sold on Seumalo as the future at OC.  

His biggest problem is consistency, and the team may ultimately decide to leave him at LG, especially if they aren't sold on Herbig as a LG.

Oline has been one of the few areas where we seem to hit on almost every guy we bring in, so it is the least of my worries.

5 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Considering the mess that was the O line, i'm surprised we won at all

The positives are we saw plenty of these young guys gain experience. Coach has plenty of film on each individual to really take a huge step forward this offseason. 
    You Know I think you could say the same about the WR room. The two returning coaches.

Yeah usually we grab a C,then cut him. I pointed out before Juriga was not cut like we usually do

Off topic: My cuz lives in TX.(He's 71) They are rotating/rolling the power(GO GREEN!!!!) He has heat for 3-4 hours, then they send it someplace else. Pipes frozen. So, he has to crank up the heat, cook while he can. It's a disaster. I remember being out in FL for 11 days, but at least it was warm

41 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The positives are we saw plenty of these young guys gain experience. Coach has plenty of film on each individual to really take a huge step forward this offseason. 
    You Know I think you could say the same about the WR room. The two returning coaches.

Agreed

25 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Off topic: My cuz lives in TX.(He's 71) They are rotating/rolling the power(GO GREEN!!!!) He has heat for 3-4 hours, then they send it someplace else. Pipes frozen. So, he has to crank up the heat, cook while he can. It's a disaster. I remember being out in FL for 11 days, but at least it was warm

Thanks for shutting down the coal fired power plants before they had a viable replacement.

4 hours ago, time2rock said:

Opeta?

I think we have some good pieces in place (behind the presumed starters ... LT (either Mailata or Dillard), Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson).  Driscoll didn't look bad in limited looks on RT, Herbig looked decent at RG.  It really is a matter of these guys getting more experience.  I think what hurt most was switching the starting lineup basically weekly.  Need consistency to develop chemistry with those playing next to you.  

I agree. I even think Opeta looks alright. At LG. Behind Seumalo and Herbig. Third string. But if Kelce retires.....then Seumalo moves to C....Herbig starter with Opeta straight in the backup role. Herbig even was our backup C originally. So if Seumalo or Herbig either were injured Opeta would be first man in. Now Pryor looked really bad last season. But could he take care of business if just to asked to play as the backup RG? No bouncing around for him. Keep his vice lock grips inside where he can definitely use them. Pryor is a tough sell for anything right now. I’d think Driscoll would be backup RT or RG. Especially in this scenario of Kelce’s retirement.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I agree. I even think Opeta looks alright. At LG. Behind Seumalo and Herbig. Third string. But if Kelce retires.....then Seumalo moves to C....Herbig starter with Opeta straight in the backup role. Herbig even was our backup C originally. So if Seumalo or Herbig either were injured Opeta would be first man in. Now Pryor looked really bad last season. But could he take care of business if just to asked to play as the backup RG? No bouncing around for him. Keep his vice lock grips inside where he can definitely use them. Pryor is a tough sell for anything right now. I’d think Driscoll would be backup RT or RG. Especially in this scenario of Kelce’s retirement.

What do you do with Dillard?

27 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What do you do with Dillard?

LT

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

LT

Mailata?