4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Wow... sounds like a guy that came in here in 2013 doesn't it?      

But instead of thinking " we have a smart QB ,just need to get everyone else on the same page"    we can look at it like.... " lets get the players with talent in the other spots"   you know, like the RBs we had in 2017 to run the ball ...and the playmakers on the outside to throw the ball too.... which also opened up the game for guys like Ertz and Agholor in the middle and underneath.     

While some might say.... " look how a guy like Agholor had a career year in 2017 ....   someone else might say, that his strength is getting the ball in his hands with a little space to work ... and that  in 2017 he had all the healthy weapons around him that gave him the space and the matchup vs a weaker cover guy to where he could take advantage.    

These philosphies are all great ... it takes the talented players to " put the defense in conflict"     This goes back to the original idea of getting a speed weapon on the outside that fits exactly what this offense needs in order to work how the coach wants it to work.   

A defense is never in conflict if it doesn't feel they are at a physical disadvantage in any of the matchups.  Hopefully DeSean and Reager can create that for everyone else to benefit from.  Hopefully Doug sticks to the run early and creates an easier game to play for his offense.    Philosophy is great... but will the coach stick to it and will the players be good enough to execute?     Let's hope so.   I'm on board with the idea of everyone else being as good as the QB part.    Same level is a better term than " same page"  IMO.  

   No. Not what I’m really saying. Sure Chip wanted to put defenders in conflict...but he only had a handful of plays and just ran them over and over where repetition trumped quality.

  The West Coast Offense has been the standard bearer for putting defenders in conflict. Running game. Spread the defenders out with short passes. And having those shot plays.

  Talented players makes everything easier. But reading the defense is what makes a guy like Edelman such a good player. Pretty well setup to do the opposite of how the defender Plays him. Takes what they give. He doesn’t overpower with size or speed.

  

It’s great at isolating the defenders. Really can destroy people if they miss tackles.

17 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s great at isolating the defenders. Really can destroy people if they miss tackles.

So then New England is what you are talking about.... how they run all the clear out routes with guys who don't have to necessarily be great... they delay Edlemen (or throw in the quick slot WR of your choice... Welker Amendola..etc)  giving the slot guy the ability to be isolated and just make his move... giving the QB the easy throw.

I don't think of it as West Coast offense ... the WCO was more a timing offense... this New England style isn't necessarily timing... as much as it gives the QB a quick out to get rid of the ball if necessary (but in reality Brady would throw a lot of balls away too)  it's more so creating space for the underneath guys to catch and run a little afterwards. 

I think what you are talking about and how Doug is thinking ... is more so what KC does.  It's a lot of Chip's concepts of attacking sideways or the perimeter, sprinkled in with more detail and more misdirection stuff.  It has more deep element than the WCO.   But if you want to start with the " playaction on sterioids"  we know where that concept really came into the NFL.  Regardless of how brutal a guy is as a " head" coach or a people person... " designing concepts"  you have to give credit.  As I said plenty of times before on deaf ears ... dude should have been an " offensive quality control coach"   ... go watch film and dissect it to come up with concepts... give them to  a guy that can actually coach better and handle people ... and let that coach work with it.  Pretty much what Belichek did with the NE 2011 offense... a ton of concepts for the former Eagles coach.  Just actually used as " part of an offense"  not the entire offense.  

As an example... Buddy Ryan had a great concept with the 46 defense.    How to isolate the C with the 3 DL all tight up the middle... one DE out wide on the weak side with double OLBs on the other side over the TE ..... yet Buddy was a good if not great DC as a playcaller etc.    Chip would be the equivalent of the guy designing the 46 ... but call it on goal line situations.  

This will be interesting this year to see how Tom Brady does without being in that offense.  He should get stats for sure... we shall see about winning enough to beat out the Saints etc.  

As for the Eagles.... the speed element gives Doug ...ZERO excuses not to run the deep routes even if just for clear out purposes.... the days of the 5 intermediate routes or " flooding zones"  should be over.  

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

This will be interesting this year to see how Tom Brady does without being in that offense.  He should get stats for sure... we shall see about winning enough to beat out the Saints etc

Will be interesting to see  Brady in a new O but he is going to Arians he has a pretty good track record with QBs...Big Ben, Luck, Manning, Palmer all had some of there best years under him.

But I not seeing the Bucs O as going to be an issue he has WRs they have a decent OL(Brady will make them look even better he isn’t going to hold the ball all day long)...Then Brady has TEs 3 one of which he knows extremely well in Gronk.

Bucs D will be the biggest concern but think they have pieces in place to a decent unit I’d say capable of being slightly better then KC D that won the SB last year 

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

As for the Eagles.... the speed element gives Doug ...ZERO excuses not to run the deep routes even if just for clear out purposes.... the days of the 5 intermediate routes or " flooding zones"  should be over. 

Seems to me we focus on Schwartz a ton of this board even if your not a fan of his scheme(which even i have a different preference) can’t deny what he has done...The passing yards allowed is really the only knock on him. Yet he has consistently had the D not allowing points top 15 or better last 3 years and we tend to be one of the better 3rd down Ds a well(even though we tend to focus on the 1 terrible 3rd down we might give up a game).

But Doug seems to get slack for a terrible O that has been lacking for 2 years now we can scape goat Groh and I do think he wasn’t much help to Doug didn’t challenge him enough but at the end of the day still Dougs O

some good stuff

 

21 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

QB doesn’t have to run for him to decide option on pass versus run. Or screen vs shot downfield. And the other options I’m referring to are route options. Where the receiver reads the defense to determine his route.

Don't like that idea,it still puts him at unnecessary risk.He is basically a pocket drop passer, why put him in positions he isn't used to? He is not Lamar Jackson, why not keep him in his comfort zone?. Give him time to throw and give him weapons and you won't even have to worry about option plays.It's not like defenses haven't seen them before.If you want to toss that in once in awhile,NP,but I dont want this to be a habit

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Seems to me we focus on Schwartz a ton of this board even if your not a fan of his scheme(which even i have a different preference) can’t deny what he has done...The passing yards allowed is really the only knock on him. Yet he has consistently had the D not allowing points top 15 or better last 3 years and we tend to be one of the better 3rd down Ds a well(even though we tend to focus on the 1 terrible 3rd down we might give up a game).

But Doug seems to get slack for a terrible O that has been lacking for 2 years now we can scape goat Groh and I do think he wasn’t much help to Doug didn’t challenge him enough but at the end of the day still Dougs O

I tend to agree(shocking!!!!) We have a tough "inside the 15" D.My issue is when the opposition is on their OWN 15 and they drop a dime to get to OURS because we got beat deep(yet again).Now I have no stats for this,but I will say just watching games even if the stats are "adequate" lets just say we allow this BS at the most inopportune times.Not that there is a good time for this,but we seem to let teams threaten us late. I would just like to avoid that

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Will be interesting to see  Brady in a new O but he is going to Arians he has a pretty good track record with QBs...Big Ben, Luck, Manning, Palmer all had some of there best years under him.

But I not seeing the Bucs O as going to be an issue he has WRs they have a decent OL(Brady will make them look even better he isn’t going to hold the ball all day long)...Then Brady has TEs 3 one of which he knows extremely well in Gronk.

Bucs D will be the biggest concern but think they have pieces in place to a decent unit I’d say capable of being slightly better then KC D that won the SB last year 

Been watching TB for years(forced to lol) if you talk to any fans, you wilol hear the same thing I am telling you. The Inconsistent QB play killed them.Winston ran either hot or cold,and sometimes that was in the same game(UGH).So they got Fitz to attempt to shore up the inconsistent play. he did ok for awhile,then he had a bad game and in comes Winston again.Brady may be one of the most consistent QB's who played the game.All QB's have good and bad games,but Bradys worst game isnt that far away from his best. Winston's was worlds apart and I believe they are trying to close that gap with Brady.Brady will be thrilled with his WR's,even though they lost Periman,he has 2 top flight ones and he loves his TE's and they have some decent ones..Winston would also "panic" if pressured,you won't get that from Brady, he will find the open guy or throw it away whereas Winston would take a pick(sometimes many).Their O line is not terrible,mid pack which should be fine for Brady.Their D is ok,not great(like ours),but brady is also a master at comebacks,so even if they are down,they are not out.Ithink they will be a solid team to deal with this year

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

but we seem to let teams threaten us late. I would just like to avoid that

Kinda both sides fault on that I mean if Schwartz D held a team to say 6 points for 3 1/2 qtrs and the O still only gave us a 4 point lead in that span...If a play slips out yea that sucks and all and it is on the D but at the same time really O word were you doing the whole game that we couldn’t pull away to have a safer lead.

We had multiple games over the last 2 years that Schwartz D held teams under 20 points per game really can’t ask for much more from your D especially the way the rule are today to aid the offense....Our O has to be able to score over 20 points 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Kinda both sides fault on that I mean if Schwartz D held a team to say 6 points for 3 1/2 qtrs and the O still only gave us a 4 point lead in that span...If a play slips out yea that sucks and all and it is on the D but at the same time really O word were you doing the whole game that we couldn’t pull away to have a safer lead.

We had multiple games over the last 2 years that Schwartz D held teams under 20 points per game really can’t ask for much more from your D especially the way the rule are today to aid the offense....Our O has to be able to score over 20 points 

IDK,it's hard to gauge.We were "supposed" to have a hot O last year,then the injuries piled up.On paper we should be "hot" once again. I would love to see our guys stay on the field all year,that would be refreshing!!!! I do not believe we are built to win 9-6 games(although those are inevitable).I believe we are built to score 38 points and make the other team beat us.If our D is good enough to hold them to 31,we win lol

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK,it's hard to gauge.We were "supposed" to have a hot O last year,then the injuries piled up.On paper we should be "hot" once again. I would love to see our guys stay on the field all year,that would be refreshing!!!! I do not believe we are built to win 9-6 games(although those are inevitable).I believe we are built to score 38 points and make the other team beat us.If our D is good enough to hold them to 31,we win lol

Like I said our D has been fairly consistent over the last few years with Schwartz like him or hate him top 15 or better in scoring D isn’t bad we are generally closer to or in the top 10 in scoring D with Schwartz.... The O has to start to carry their weight more often injuries or no injuries since both sides to me have dealt with equal amount over the last 2 years.

 

Tampa Bay scored 458 points   .... KC Scored 451     

KC D gave up 308 points  ... Tampa D gave up 449

I hope Brady and Gronk can cover and tackle.    Don't really care what their fans have been saying ... their D stunk.... purely stunk last year.   

And as for our fans as they think about us giving up the deep pass at the wrong time ...etc.   We could give up a 40 yard pass on the first play of the game... that same CB could have 3 INTs... and the fans would call in on the radio Monday morning talking about that first deep ball he gave up ... it is what it is.  

 

On May 21, 2020 at 10:49 AM, cunninghamtheman said:

Plenty to read into each area. I’m especially in the mindset of protection right now. Fran Duffy did a Pod with Will Shields and Stout. Not real long but just great football knowledge and talk. Stout breaks down some of the common terminology. And what guys are looking for. A great little snippet about how Stout coaches defense first....and played as a LB. So he coaches the Oline from knowing what the defenders are up to. He discusses his technique he teaches ‘The Flipper.’ He goes into Gap versus Zone blocking. And I really like he discussed how one player had to get a piece of the defender....but the goal was to leave room for another blocker to come get his piece.
 

That was a nice piece that Fran did on Stout learned a few things with that interview.

On May 22, 2020 at 2:02 PM, stine said:

some good stuff

 

Ooohhhh yea. Eagles fans posting on THIS board don't miss anything when it comes to Eagles news. Way to go Stine.

18 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Tampa Bay scored 458 points   .... KC Scored 451     

KC D gave up 308 points  ... Tampa D gave up 449

I hope Brady and Gronk can cover and tackle.    Don't really care what their fans have been saying ... their D stunk.... purely stunk last year.   

And as for our fans as they think about us giving up the deep pass at the wrong time ...etc.   We could give up a 40 yard pass on the first play of the game... that same CB could have 3 INTs... and the fans would call in on the radio Monday morning talking about that first deep ball he gave up ... it is what it is.  

 

And who did they both play? Gronk is the quick out.Brady has a fast release time.The consistent QB play will help their D BIG TIME.Winston had a few good games and some that were totally disgusting.Your defense will get scored on if they are on the field 45 mins a game

Anyone think we should make a play for Jamal Adams after reports of the Cow#itches and Eagles inquiries on potential trade,mreports that Adams is unhappy with the Yets. Will the Eagles make a play for Adams. Maybe trade Dillard and bring JP back? I love JP, he has been everything for our Birds, but I want Dillard to get his chance and start this year.  Give youth a chance. Adams is the real deal, his Leadership, Production and intangibles are exceptional. Is this even possible? What would we have to give up for a player of Adams caliber?

@mjkline1958 I know you told me how to get a photo to replace that ridiculous T in this profile , but I keep getting that size message ? I used to build computers for years and at 62 having problems loading a simple picture RIDICULOUS.lol hehehehehe. Help me , that Big T is offensive hehehehe

On 5/24/2020 at 9:30 PM, joemas6 said:

Tampa Bay scored 458 points   .... KC Scored 451     

KC D gave up 308 points  ... Tampa D gave up 449

I hope Brady and Gronk can cover and tackle.    Don't really care what their fans have been saying ... their D stunk.... purely stunk last year.   

And as for our fans as they think about us giving up the deep pass at the wrong time ...etc.   We could give up a 40 yard pass on the first play of the game... that same CB could have 3 INTs... and the fans would call in on the radio Monday morning talking about that first deep ball he gave up ... it is what it is.  

 

Take away about 20 interceptions and maybe you get 3 or 4 wins

21 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

And who did they both play? Gronk is the quick out.Brady has a fast release time.The consistent QB play will help their D BIG TIME.Winston had a few good games and some that were totally disgusting.Your defense will get scored on if they are on the field 45 mins a game

Tamps ran 1086 offensive plays ... the 4th most in the NFL last year.   

Tampa had average of 30:54 time of possession ...  9th highest in the league

Their D stunk ... their offense was on the field more than the average offense both in plays and time.  No excuses... their D stunk

In contrast to KC ... who was 19th in TOP at 29:27 per game and ran 976 plays which was 25th in the league.   

Tampa D gave up 141 more points than KC's D ... even though their offense ran 110 more plays and held the ball 1:27 more per game.   

These are facts.... their D stunk.... absolutely STUNK!   The QB wasn't the issue there.    

42 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

Take away about 20 interceptions and maybe you get 3 or 4 wins

If you could run the ball some and play defense... maybe you get 5 or 6 more wins?     However you want to look at it, we shall see the impact of Brady and Gronk on a team that already led the league in passing, yet stunk in many other areas.  

16 hours ago, Trini said:

Anyone think we should make a play for Jamal Adams after reports of the Cow#itches and Eagles inquiries on potential trade,mreports that Adams is unhappy with the Yets. Will the Eagles make a play for Adams. Maybe trade Dillard and bring JP back? I love JP, he has been everything for our Birds, but I want Dillard to get his chance and start this year.  Give youth a chance. Adams is the real deal, his Leadership, Production and intangibles are exceptional. Is this even possible? What would we have to give up for a player of Adams caliber?

How are you paying for these moves ... looking at the cap for 2021?    

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Tamps ran 1086 offensive plays ... the 4th most in the NFL last year.   

Tampa had average of 30:54 time of possession ...  9th highest in the league

Their D stunk ... their offense was on the field more than the average offense both in plays and time.  No excuses... their D stunk

In contrast to KC ... who was 19th in TOP at 29:27 per game and ran 976 plays which was 25th in the league.   

Tampa D gave up 141 more points than KC's D ... even though their offense ran 110 more plays and held the ball 1:27 more per game.   

These are facts.... their D stunk.... absolutely STUNK!   The QB wasn't the issue there.    

LMAO OH if wentz tossed 4-5 picks in a game think we would win it?

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team-stats?season=2019&week=100&category=DEFENSE&page=1  TB offense was also less than prolific with Winston screwing things up every chance he got keeping their defense on the field all day in many games I watched.Our D didn't exactly light it up either

Winston has now thrown 31 touchdowns and 28 interceptions on the season to go along with 4,908 yards. It’s been a crazy statistical year for the former number one pick, but, he can breath a sigh of relief knowing that the Buccaneers plan on bringing him back in 2020. Winston was playing this season on the fifth and final year of his rookie contract.

With just one game left in the regular season, Winston is now on pace to throw for 30 interceptions, which would make him the first quarterback since 1988 to accomplish that feat.                         2019 stats with 1 game left lol

'cept this article was wrong and they got tired of the ineptness at QB