39 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.nfl.com/videos/jeremiah-why-zach-wilson-would-be-a-perfect-fit-in-jets-offense Like I said(I just found this lol)

Lmao there are 100s of experts saying things because one said so it going to happen lol... I’ve seen numerous mocks and people saying they going Sewell sticking with Donald seen plenty that had Fields nobody knows anything as it stands now all a guessing game 

14 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

OL- majority of the NFL we are better than and believe that even if we end up moving on from Lane/Brooks and Kelce retires. 
 

TE- honestly SF/ KC/LV maybe honestly don’t think there are many TEs better then Geodart

DL- meh we are older sure but Cox is here, Sweat is coming into his own, Hargrave finally got it to click toward the end of the year. Minor but Ridgeway pretty good 3rd DT. Barnett  not worth the big bucks but good solid DE not sure there is a are 15 better DLs the  Hargrave/Sweat/Barnett trio add in old heads Cox/Graham definitely not and Ridgeway as a good backup.

RB- Miles/Scott get lot of hate but truly can’t think of 15 better duos in the nfl.

S- this depends McLeod is good and older but thought Mills was really good at S as well when he was just the S does he come back not sure plus extremely high on Wallace thought he was pretty good himself again can’t think of 15 teams better then us at S.

Of the positions I think we are likely lacking LB,WR and CB.

WR I truly see as poised to make a huge jump with the young guys 

CB I expect to be better with them not being put on islands and 1 on 1s all game long like Schwartz 

LB- well we always undervalued this position so yea.

QB- of course as i have stated from me saying I want to go QB at 6 if we traded Wentz 

Love this optimism....but a few things. 

1. Watching other teams , their QBs having time to throw the ball ... our OL is not better than most.  With the older guys, same as with the DL... you need to look past 2021.  This is my point of us lingering down here for a while.  Cox and Graham, Lane, Brooks and Kelce.... take away those guys, which all 5 could easily be gone after this coming season.  If you look around the league, teams are better than us.

2. TE.  Goedert is a nice player.  I like him.  Not a game changer.   Look in our own division... a pro bowler for the Giants, the dude in Washington had some games with high receptions and the dude in Dallas was pretty good.  Could he be the best, for sure, but not on the impact of winning games, not that much of a difference.  

3. RB... we can argue over Sanders, I don't think he is anything special.  Is he exceptional at making people miss, is he powerful to where he stands out in breaking tackles, are his hands great, is he an exceptional route runner, does he block well, does he avoid fumbles better than the normal RB?    I think he can play, but I don't think he is a guy that stands out.  Scott a nice role player.   Regardless, I don't see him as a game changer.  

Now... again, I'm looking ahead.  The Eagles right now are tight on cap space.  Even more so now locking in the Wentz cap hit (although we don't know the details yet, perhaps a restructure before a trade? )    But lets look at what that effect can have on other moves.    Barnett, you sure he is coming back?    Mailata, he plays well this year, he is a free agent after the season. Can they get him back?    Goedert is about to be paid.  Can they do it early enough to where he decides not to wait for free agency?   After seeing how they treated Ertz, and if the older guys are on their way out, does he really want to stay?     These are factors that come into play... the perception of the organization can easily swing in a negative direction.  The culture here is changing quickly.  The core of the SB team evaporating.  The remaining guys may not play with the same enthusiasm or want out.  The DL especially can go south in a major way.  That happens our defense can get and stay really bad.  

The other thing, you are used to our division being bad.  I grew up with it being the best in football, probably all of sports ... from the late 70s to mid 90s.  https://www.profootballhof.com/news/playoff-results-1980s/    ... great link here to see how good the competition was.  Not only 8 SB wins in like 15 years, but a few matchups in conference games and years where 3 out of the 5 playoff teams were from the NFC East.        To me, I'm looking at the division, and can easily see each team improving around us in a major way.   They have more defined needs now, they have a younger core.  They all draft pretty high.  Other than Dallas, I think the coaching is much better.   I think a lot of the Eagles success and their perception of success, has been due to the division being so bad for a while now, I don't think we can count on that to last.  

Love your enthusiasm, just don't see it.  I will say that if we do upgrade to mediocre level, it will be due to good QB play.  Not in spite of it.  

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Watching other teams , their QBs having time to throw the ball ... our OL is not better than mos

Lmao watching other teams they did have a changing OL weekly. But when we are not dealing with 15 injuries on the OL yes it’s better then most 

15 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

2. TE.  Goedert is a nice player.  I like him.  Not a game changer.   Look in our own division... a pro bowler for the Giants, the dude in Washington had some games with high receptions and the dude in Dallas was pretty good.  Could he be the best, for sure, but not on the impact of winning games, not that much of a difference.

Lmao Geodart when given the chance has shown to be more of a game changer then any player in our division and that was playing behind Ertz. 

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

RB... we can argue over Sanders, I don't think he is anything special.  Is he exceptional at making people miss, is he powerful to where he stands out in breaking tackles, are his hands great, is he an exceptional route runner, does he block well, does he avoid fumbles better than the normal RB?    I think he can play, but I don't think he is a guy that stands out.  Scott a nice role player.   Regardless, I don't see him as a game changer.  

Again question isn’t is he a game changer but are we above avg.(yes Miles Sanders is and he is a game changer) and has above avg. hands for a RB not Derrick Henry in power but decent power and high ability to make people miss threat to take it to the house on any play. 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Watson (for now), Tannehill and soon, Trevor Lawrence.

Wentz has to play really well to not be the worst qb in his division. 

So lets look big picture.

The Colts were the 7th seed .... basically middle of the pack... 7 out of 16 teams.    Rivers, if some say he played well to get that team to that mediocre level of 7th out of 16 teams.    If Wentz takes the team to the playoffs.... (after someone pointed out how lucky Indy was this year with injuries, losing their LT and Rivers already playing well at QB)   and lets say they win a playoff game?     What would that say about Wentz?      Again, I don't think Wentz really cares about his perception of " not being the worst"  I think he cares about winning.   You play the game to win.  You play QB and take all the physical abuse, so you can win.   I think getting out of Philly was a no brainer for any player looking to win.  

Also.. I think Ertz may follow to Indy after being released.  Same could be said for Dillard.  If I'm Indy, I absolutely do not give up anything in a trade for them now.   As far as Eagles getting players back in a trade, they have salary cap issues that prevent them from taking on additional salary.   If it were the NBA, I think your ideas for Indy trade make sense, not in the NFL though

  

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The other thing, you are used to our division being bad.  I grew up with it being the best in football, probably all of sports ... from the late 70s to mid

That literally has nothing to do with it but even if it did our division is still bad with no team really all that poised to be elite. 
Giants OL is still trash no defense an over achieving unit

Washington has a good D but massive holes all over the O and no QB to speak of 

Dallas older OL, no D, questions at QB and an older RB thats overpaid. 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Again question isn’t is he a game changer but are we above avg.(yes Miles Sanders is and he is a game changer) and has above avg. hands for a RB not Derrick Henry in power but decent power and high ability to make people miss threat to take it to the house on any play. 

Yes, the question always remains how the player can impact wins.   This is my point with Goedert and Sanders, while I think both are good players, do they translate enough in wins... to be able to play with the surrounding cast... especially in your mind a QB that holds the Ealges back... and still get to 8 to 10 wins ?    I don't see it.  

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

That literally has nothing to do with it but even if it did our division is still bad with no team really all that poised to be elite. 
Giants OL is still trash no defense an over achieving unit

Washington has a good D but massive holes all over the O and no QB to speak of 

Dallas older OL, no D, questions at QB and an older RB thats overpaid. 

Giants OL got better and should keep improving.   Natural progression, plus have been playing with each other.   Again, Giants can easily add just like us.  
Washington, good destination for a QB to go with all the other pieces, and a popular coach.     
Dallas, older OL for sure, as old as ours?  Collins 27, Martin and Smith 30 ... still younger than our older guys.   The pay of the RB is already on the books, Sanders will have to go up if he is as good as you say and we keep him more than 2 years.   They also have younger pieces on defense to build around than we do.

Again, much better situations than ours as far as a starting standpoint to go finish building a roster.    Plus they have better cap situations and just as good of draft situations to help build those rosters.   

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK who made this deal,but it stinks

If you think they are 1000% in on Darnold,but I dont see that 

Especially considering it’s been known Darnold is on the block

18 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao watching other teams they did have a changing OL weekly. But when we are not dealing with 15 injuries on the OL yes it’s better then most 

Lmao Geodart when given the chance has shown to be more of a game changer then any player in our division and that was playing behind Ertz. 

LMAO, is what you are going to be doing watching the Eagles play the next few years.   

23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So lets look big picture.

The Colts were the 7th seed .... basically middle of the pack... 7 out of 16 teams.    Rivers, if some say he played well to get that team to that mediocre level of 7th out of 16 teams.    If Wentz takes the team to the playoffs.... (after someone pointed out how lucky Indy was this year with injuries, losing their LT and Rivers already playing well at QB)   and lets say they win a playoff game?     What would that say about Wentz?      Again, I don't think Wentz really cares about his perception of " not being the worst"  I think he cares about winning.   You play the game to win.  You play QB and take all the physical abuse, so you can win.   I think getting out of Philly was a no brainer for any player looking to win.  

Also.. I think Ertz may follow to Indy after being released.  Same could be said for Dillard.  If I'm Indy, I absolutely do not give up anything in a trade for them now.   As far as Eagles getting players back in a trade, they have salary cap issues that prevent them from taking on additional salary.   If it were the NBA, I think your ideas for Indy trade make sense, not in the NFL though

  

Wentz would win his first playoff game. That would be huge for him. 

23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Also.. I think Ertz may follow to Indy after being released.  Same could be said for Dillard.  If I'm Indy, I absolutely do not give up anything in a trade for them now.   As far as Eagles getting players back in a trade, they have salary cap issues that prevent them from taking on additional salary.   If it were the NBA, I think your ideas for Indy trade make sense, not in the NFL though

  

Dillard won't get released. He's on a rookie contract.

As far as players included in the trade, I was thinking of guys on rookie contracts, not players who have high salaries.

In terms of Wentz and how he will do in Indy, it will be interesting to watch. He had major flaws in his footwork, held on to the ball too long and missed wide open guys. If he doesn't fix those issues, he's not going to be any more successful there than he was here. 

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Martin and Smith 30 .

So 31 whoooo a whole year older lmao 

Third round pick is really weak. We need guys to develop and grow chemistry with the new regime this season. Not even a high third. Pffftttt

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

LMAO, is what you are going to be doing watching the Eagles play the next few years.   

Yup probably if we are bad I’ll laugh about it because not going to get mad over it lmao but when I’m right you can laugh about it too 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Third round pick is really weak. We need guys to develop and grow chemistry with the new regime this season. Not even a high third. Pffftttt

It’s a 3rd and basically a first next year(unless you don’t see Wentz playing 75% of snaps)isn’t that bad really

Thought it would be higher but consider Wentz probably got the bears out of the deal who likely had a better offer this isn’t that bad 

18 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

That literally has nothing to do with it but even if it did our division is still bad with no team really all that poised to be elite. 

I'll make predictions now... and we can revisit at the end of the season.   

1.  All 3 other NFC East teams win at least 8 games

2.  One if not 2 will win 10 games

3.  Eagles will win 6 or less.  

Now fast forward a year.  If these results are close.... going forward, everyone being a year older... (Kelce, Brooks, Lane, Graham, Cox, McCould, Slay)  Goedert and Mailata entering into free agency.  How is everything looking?    The plus side would be you have a pick around 8 to 12, and probably a late 1st rounder from Indy.   Is there a QB you could get next year if you move up?   Could you wait another year, trade one of your 2022 1st rounders to add additional assets in future drafts, and then maybe be in a similar situation in 2023?    I think very easily.  This would be my reason for not going QB now.  

The flip side for you.... get the QB now, we will still be bad, but now we can use the future picks to add to a roster who you feel already has a QB?  I like your scenario better if I thought I had the right GM in place.  Since I don't, I like him going down with the ship that is Hurts.  

But the idea of we will be good (which 10 wins is good)  with Hurts now... and "despite"  of Hurts... that I don't agree.  Put Hurts on the Saints or Tampa, I agree, not on this pathetic team.  

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wentz would win his first playoff game. That would be huge for him. 

Still a failure if he comes up short of the SB.   For him... maybe not for you though.  But again, I don' t think he cares what you or any one else thinks.   I think he plays to win and that's all that matters to him.  

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It’s a 3rd and basically a first next year(unless you don’t see Wentz playing 75% of snaps)isn’t that bad really

Thought it would be higher but consider Wentz probably got the bears out of the deal who likely had a better offer this isn’t that bad 

It’s bad! No I don’t seeWentz playing that many snaps. He hasn’t finished a season since his rookie year. They obviously will know these terms and will pull him a bit quicker in lopsided games also. Pick 85 sucks for a starting QB. That’s backup level.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Still a failure if he comes up short of the SB.   For him... maybe not for you though.  But again, I don' t think he cares what you or any one else thinks.   I think he plays to win and that's all that matters to him.  

And if he plays to win...and actually wins a playoff game...it’d be a first

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So 31 whoooo a whole year older lmao 

So again... our 3 guys are all older... plus one being 33 for us and the other being 27... pretty big difference.   It's my point though, there isn't anything you can really look at to give us an edge over any of these teams... not cap, not draft, not age.  We would have to make up for it with QB play.  

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And if he plays to win...and actually wins a playoff game...it’d be a first

And will you be suprised considering its a team sport... and he really didn't have the team around him other than 2017?   Which is the point,. he isn't going to magically learn how to play and get better.  Neither did Josh allen this year, and Mahomes didn't all of a sudden forget how to play in the Superbowl.   

Just now, joemas6 said:

So again... our 3 guys are all older... plus one being 33 for us and the other being 27... pretty big difference.   It's my point though, there isn't anything you can really look at to give us an edge over any of these teams... not cap, not draft, not age.  We would have to make up for it with QB play.  

Lmao it isn’t they are older by a year maybe.

then you have Herbig who is young played extremely well. mailats who did alright, Dillard a guy who was a first rounder hasn’t really played yet, Driscoll who played extremely well natraul progress says they all get better is my point

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

And will you be suprised considering its a team sport... and he really didn't have the team around him other than 2017?   Which is the point,. he isn't going to magically learn how to play and get better.  Neither did Josh allen this year, and Mahomes didn't all of a sudden forget how to play in the Superbowl.   

2018 we won a playoff game. Probably should have won the second playoff game. 2019 we were better than the SeaChickens. Wentz barely has a winning record....including 2017. Not sure what you think Wentz is?

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s bad! No I don’t seeWentz playing that many snaps. He hasn’t finished a season since his rookie year. They obviously will know these terms and will pull him a bit quicker in lopsided games also. Pick 85 sucks for a starting QB. That’s backup level.

???????    dude just played 28 regular season games in a row?    Now you are grasping at straws?     Lane isn't suspended for the 3rd violation yet is he???   LOL  

Again, this is the issue of the GM creating the situation from start to finish.  All your ideas let him off the hook, yet  Nate Gerry bothers you....lol