3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report--edge-carlos-basham-jr

They have Basham at 97. I’m much higher than that on him. I’d take him with that Colts pick.

I like Rumph and I like where he is,very gettable 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I like Rumph and I like where he is,very gettable 

Well I like Ojulari. That guy looks to be a real good rusher....for what we’d want(believe). I’m just not sure if he’ll make it to 38.

Pair Basham with Jabril Cox as the third round picks we could really give a boost to the D to close day two.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pair Basham with Jabril Cox as the third round picks we could really give a boost to the D to close day two.

I have a CB and a LB in 3 and I like him better than Cox(see post) Also ends a nice day 2 Pitts/Trask/Newsome/Browning are my first 4. I don't think we should wait to upgrade at CB until round 5

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I posted a couple of very interesting articles about Trask a page back. You can find some fantastic highlight films easy enough.

Trask looks like he is at least worth a hard look. 

It'd be nice to see more game film instead of highlight reels

13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Getting work in with the QB guru you gotta like. Him having the receivers out to Houston to hang is an extra touch. You know? Working on his footwork and chemistry with his guys.

QB Guru? Like he has the pedigree to have that label attached to his name? How old is he again? He worked with Phillip Rivers a 10 year vet at the time and Brissett for a year. Not exactly a great Resume for the title QB Guru....

I do not like what I am hearing about Lurie. Seems he is meddling into the Eagles personnel choices. I heard the scouts were high on Jefferson and Chinn and Lurie wanted Reagor and Hurts. I don't know if this is true, but if so, I am ready to give up on the team. No way I can deal with a owner who refuses to ignore his weaknesses. You hire people to rank players. USE those People's knowledge!!

Best option for the draft - we give our 1st, but they have to take Jeff and Howie!

14 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Best option for the draft - we give our 1st, but they have to take Jeff and Howie!

I vote to put you in charge MJK!

As I see it, 1 of the following 3 players Will be there at 6:

 Pitts

Chase

Parsons

   You can make a case for anyone of these players, but I want to go on the record as saying I do not care which one they pick as long as it is one of them. I am tired of these Eagles trying to "Outsmart"  everyone else!  Just grab that player everyone knows will help your team.

 

 

This is a fair assessment of what we have in Hurts.

Eagles player review: Jalen Hurts edition | PhillyVoice

In a nutshell, he's a plus runner and has average arm talent with accuracy issues. He has improved his accuracy over the years, and I will expect it to improve next season, but he will never be a qb who can zip the ball into tight windows.

I think we know who Jalen Hurts is. Give him good receivers, a good running back and a good offensive line, and he can win you some ballgames. Certainly he is not going to be appreciably worse than Daniel Jones, and I see him as being very similar to Dak Prescott. His biggest strength seems to be his intangibles. He stepped into the starting lineup and it was as if he felt he belonged there. He ran the offense and kept the team competitive the last three games against teams that had way more talent.

I think people don't understand how much the proper attitude matters for an NFL qb. It's probably the biggest reason Wentz is no longer here, and the reason why guys like Dwayne Haskins fail. I would argue that having a guy who can rally players around him is much more important than a guy who can throw 60 yard bmbs off his back foot.

There was a line in another article that said that Wentz, after a bad play, would go stare at his ipad, whereas Hurts would ask everyone around him, including the hot dog vendor, what he could do to get better. That statement is very telling to me. 

 

3 hours ago, stine said:

QB Guru? Like he has the pedigree to have that label attached to his name? How old is he again? He worked with Phillip Rivers a 10 year vet at the time and Brissett for a year. Not exactly a great Resume for the title QB Guru....

Stine we are "life" gurus". Not because we're special,only because we made it this far 😆

1 hour ago, mjkline1958 said:

Best option for the draft - we give our 1st, but they have to take Jeff and Howie!

Thats the best trade I have seen yet

2 hours ago, stine said:

I do not like what I am hearing about Lurie. Seems he is meddling into the Eagles personnel choices. I heard the scouts were high on Jefferson and Chinn and Lurie wanted Reagor and Hurts. I don't know if this is true, but if so, I am ready to give up on the team. No way I can deal with a owner who refuses to ignore his weaknesses. You hire people to rank players. USE those People's knowledge!!

Yep, we are all having that same issue. neither Lurie nor Howie are "football" guys

1 hour ago, stine said:

As I see it, 1 of the following 3 players Will be there at 6:

 Pitts

Chase

Parsons

   You can make a case for anyone of these players, but I want to go on the record as saying I do not care which one they pick as long as it is one of them. I am tired of these Eagles trying to "Outsmart"  everyone else!  Just grab that player everyone knows will help your team.

 

 

I would add Smith to that list also, but I don't see how they can screw this pick up and I'm hoping they DONT FIND a way!!! Stine what do you do if Wilson/Fields fall to 6? Not that they will,just curious what you would do(BTW I am all in on Pitts)

3 hours ago, stine said:

I do not like what I am hearing about Lurie. Seems he is meddling into the Eagles personnel choices. I heard the scouts were high on Jefferson and Chinn and Lurie wanted Reagor and Hurts. I don't know if this is true, but if so, I am ready to give up on the team. No way I can deal with a owner who refuses to ignore his weaknesses. You hire people to rank players. USE those People's knowledge!!

Coulda been him. Also a possibility it was Howie and Lurie taking the rap for it. ??????  Lots of conflicting reports and speculation out there. 

32 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This is a fair assessment of what we have in Hurts.

Eagles player review: Jalen Hurts edition | PhillyVoice

In a nutshell, he's a plus runner and has average arm talent with accuracy issues. He has improved his accuracy over the years, and I will expect it to improve next season, but he will never be a qb who can zip the ball into tight windows.

I think we know who Jalen Hurts is. Give him good receivers, a good running back and a good offensive line, and he can win you some ballgames. Certainly he is not going to be appreciably worse than Daniel Jones, and I see him as being very similar to Dak Prescott. His biggest strength seems to be his intangibles. He stepped into the starting lineup and it was as if he felt he belonged there. He ran the offense and kept the team competitive the last three games against teams that had way more talent.

I think people don't understand how much the proper attitude matters for an NFL qb. It's probably the biggest reason Wentz is no longer here, and the reason why guys like Dwayne Haskins fail. I would argue that having a guy who can rally players around him is much more important than a guy who can throw 60 yard bmbs off his back foot.

There was a line in another article that said that Wentz, after a bad play, would go stare at his ipad, whereas Hurts would ask everyone around him, including the hot dog vendor, what he could do to get better. That statement is very telling to me. 

 

No arguement, this is also why I want Trask at 38 (we will need a BU anyway). Both Hurts and Trask seem eager to learn and better themselves and are humble and know they are not superstar prima donnas to be knelt before and prayed to. I suppose one could call them naive, but I feel that's a GOOD thing. Then you get the guys like Foles, who stay that way, but they are steady,solid and have very short memories of the previous play. Wentz seemed to be that way early on,but when too many worship you,you start playing that role. Hurts and Trask have similar characters. I want the blue collar,roll up the sleeves and get it done guys

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No arguement, this is also why I want Trask at 38 (we will need a BU anyway). Both Hurts and Trask seem eager to learn and better themselves and are humble and know they are not superstar prima donnas to be knelt before and prayed to. I suppose one could call them naive, but I feel that's a GOOD thing. Then you get the guys like Foles, who stay that way, but they are steady,solid and have very short memories of the previous play. Wentz seemed to be that way early on,but when too many worship you,you start playing that role. Hurts and Trask have similar characters. I want to blue collar,roll up the sleeves and get it done guys

Yes. And especially your last sentence!

Draft day 2021- Lurie needs to lock Howie in his office, with a toybox ,then Lurie needs to go to the nearest watering hole, STFU, have a beer or 12 and some wings and watch someone with football knowledge give him a draft the fans and team players deserve. If he wants to unlock Howies office door later, that's a call he would have to make 🤣

If ONLY we could make that happen GB! Everyones allowed to dream LOL

"If the Eagles are on the clock at pick No. 6, Hurts' ability as a passer is probably concerning enough that the Eagles will seriously consider drafting a quarterback."    This was what I thought about last week before making my last mock,although this article says they may take a QB at 6,I would take Trask at 38 for similar reasons with less risk and not avoid getting a STUD TE in that process. We also need a BU for Hurts anyway,so why not get  rook with upside? Drafting Trask in 2(as Hurts was) would also put them on a similar plane,so neither should feel they are above or below the other because they were drafted in the same round. This gives Hurts the chance to start,Trask to learn the game at the pro level,and if need be, inserted into those games if Hurts falters and while Trask doesn't have a cannon arm, he seems accurate enough. Adding all this up, I came to the conclusion that other than Lawrence, a QB pick at 6 was not worth it. Another reason is if you take a QB at 6,you better START HIM!!!! That sits Hurts pretty much automatically without any competition for your new shiny round 1 pick. Basically you are relegating Hurts to the BU role. Drafting Trask at 38 allows for competition,without either feelling "displaced". It's an open and fair competition between 2 young QB's and that will make both better. Therefore, I will stand by my mock and take Trask at 38 if he is available and I have not given up a STUD pick that can help this team down the road(Pitts)

20 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

1-6- Pitts-TE(FL)   2-38- Trask-QB(FL)  3-70- Newsome-CB(Northwestern)  3-85(from Colts)- Baron Browning-ILB-OSU  5-134- Shi Smith-WR (this guy replaced Deebo at S. Carolina)  5-140-Larry Rountree- RB- (Mizz)   6-165- Chris Rumph-Edge(Duke)  7-198- Tariq Thompson-S (SD St.)     UDFA-  Bynum-CB(Cal)    Hutcherson-OG(S. Carolina)   Chris Evans-RB-Michigan  Mustafa Johnson-DL(Colorado)  Ian Book-QB(ND)    Now you have 3 QB's competing to start Hurts, Trask and Book(who would be our #3 for the moment. Hurts should start due to his small amount of real experience,however if one of these others can beat him out,good for us, or another possibility is Ertz for Foles trade to the Bears and put Book on the PS

If you wanted to put Grimes in place of Shi, I would be good with either one(another FL connection with Grimes). Ian Book or White from Memphis as a UDFA QB would also join in the competition. This mocks gives us some hole fillers and 3 young QB's with upside to rebuild with. Rountree would be a nice RBBC back with Sanders and Scott IMO without breaking the draft bank,yet still getting someone with quality draft traits. New toyz at positions our new staff can play with and some UDFA pick ups to compete for roster spots

On 2/21/2021 at 8:00 AM, jsb235 said:

If you liked that video, here's one of Josh Allen making really bad throws his first two years. How did that work out?

3 minutes of Josh Allen being inaccurate || Josh Allen lowlights 2018/ 2019 - YouTube

Josh Allen has a way better arm than Hurts, not even close. 

On 2/21/2021 at 11:43 AM, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Tend to agree with this post definitely Eagles top 3 positions of priority.

Considering I don’t think there is a DL or OL(that will be available at 6) makes me think we go QB.

What about a trade down to take a lineman?   For me that is my long term best move.  But that's due to I think we will not be a good team any time soon and still have the ability to draft a QB in the next 3 seasons.    I would start building the new lines... I say D as a preference because even though I don't agree that Herbig and Mailata are going to be any good (guaranteed anyway) I would prefer taking a shot... on the DL we don't have anything beyond Graham and Cox that show me they can be a main piece.   I'd say we do the trade back now, if we see a QB next year we make the move with the extra pick, but even then, I think a trade down next year and follow the same logic may make sense. Build something while keeping the locker room happy with their boy as QB... then when he fails, the next guy will have more foundation pieces.  

If you look from 2009 to 2013... we did a good job building the foundations of both lines.... from trading for Peters (ironically a year where we had 2 first rounders) in 2009 ... to drafting Lane with pick 4 in 2013.... .one guy each year from 2009 to 2013.... Peters, Graham, Kelce, Cox, Lane.    build that core, then fill in the rest with the moves that were made in 2016-17 when the time comes.    If Mailata and Herbig can turn out to be 2 of those pieces, then we are ahead of the game.   

22 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What about a trade down to take a lineman?   For me that is my long term best move.  But that's due to I think we will not be a good team any time soon and still have the ability to draft a QB in the next 3 seasons.    I would start building the new lines... I say D as a preference because even though I don't agree that Herbig and Mailata are going to be any good (guaranteed anyway) I would prefer taking a shot... on the DL we don't have anything beyond Graham and Cox that show me they can be a main piece.   I'd say we do the trade back now, if we see a QB next year we make the move with the extra pick, but even then, I think a trade down next year and follow the same logic may make sense. Build something while keeping the locker room happy with their boy as QB... then when he fails, the next guy will have more foundation pieces.  

If you look from 2009 to 2013... we did a good job building the foundations of both lines.... from trading for Peters (ironically a year where we had 2 first rounders) in 2009 ... to drafting Lane with pick 4 in 2013.... .one guy each year from 2009 to 2013.... Peters, Graham, Kelce, Cox, Lane.    build that core, then fill in the rest with the moves that were made in 2016-17 when the time comes.    If Mailata and Herbig can turn out to be 2 of those pieces, then we are ahead of the game.   

I disagree because it's rare when we pick in the top 10 and I'm not passing up a chance at a stud(at any position). Maybe we get top 10 picks later, IDK,but I'm striking while the iron is hot. What happens later,is later. BTW,for me it's not WHERE we pick, but picking the CORRECT players and that has been an issue in the past. My mock addresses alot of our needs,lineman too. We're not fixing this in one draft,but we can improve the talent and youth

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

This is a fair assessment of what we have in Hurts.

Eagles player review: Jalen Hurts edition | PhillyVoice

In a nutshell, he's a plus runner and has average arm talent with accuracy issues. He has improved his accuracy over the years, and I will expect it to improve next season, but he will never be a qb who can zip the ball into tight windows.

I think we know who Jalen Hurts is. Give him good receivers, a good running back and a good offensive line, and he can win you some ballgames. Certainly he is not going to be appreciably worse than Daniel Jones, and I see him as being very similar to Dak Prescott. His biggest strength seems to be his intangibles. He stepped into the starting lineup and it was as if he felt he belonged there. He ran the offense and kept the team competitive the last three games against teams that had way more talent.

I think people don't understand how much the proper attitude matters for an NFL qb. It's probably the biggest reason Wentz is no longer here, and the reason why guys like Dwayne Haskins fail. I would argue that having a guy who can rally players around him is much more important than a guy who can throw 60 yard bmbs off his back foot.

There was a line in another article that said that Wentz, after a bad play, would go stare at his ipad, whereas Hurts would ask everyone around him, including the hot dog vendor, what he could do to get better. That statement is very telling to me. 

 

Colts win a playoff game next year... 
Giants win the division      

Both due to their QBs.      Weapons matter ... like you said... give him this this and this.... well... if we had this this and this... you don't have to ask the hot dog vendor or the ipsod what went wrong.  That is on the GM.     Josh Allen didn't miraculously learn how to play this year... Diggs was a game changer for that offense.    Watch what happens to Jones in NY if they add a premier receiving weapon to that offense.    Everyone looking for that nest Russell Wilson ... if you can get that old Seattle defense and power running game, then maybe it might work,  but not a style I would look to duplicate.  The big guys that have the arms and can see over the line have the edge in ultimately winning anything... with the ability to move, not run first.  

Let's see what happens this year.   I had this discussion with friends of mine over the weekend.   We were smarter back in the day when it came to sports.  We knew the Eagles didn't win under Buddy because the OL wasn't good.   No soap opera excuses... today we look for everything other than Howie putting a crappy roster for 2 straight years.  The ipod, the hot dog vendor, the chemistry set.... all come after getting the talent in place.  Nothing happens without that.