There is still some good journalism ....

 

"  If Julio Jones catches that pass in the end zone, here is what history shows: -Three coaching changes in nine years, each of them following a season of epic dysfunction. -Four losing seasons within those nine years. -Zero wide receivers or cornerbacks drafted and developed, and two franchise quarterbacks run out of town, since 2009. -Three seasons of 10+ wins in the last 10 years, two of them by a guy who allegedly ran the organization into the ground. An 81-78-1 record during that span. -An ever-shifting command structure in which nobody ever acknowledges responsibility. There are plenty of people in this city who are enablers, too quick to swallow the organizational narrative regarding the culprit of the moment. Donovan McNabb, Andy Reid, Chip Kelly, Carson Wentz - to say nothing of the bit players like Groh who’ve been assigned a laughably outsized slice of the blame. Each time, they move on, and the world dawns anew. Ding dong, the bad guy’s gone, our nightmare is over. It’s funny. Even Wentz’s most vociferous critics have begun to pivot to less precarious opinions. They see that the Colts have a solid offensive line, an excellent defense, a power running game, a couple of promising receivers, a well-regarded coaching staff. Already, the narrative is shifting from "Wentz can’t win” to "Wentz can’t win here.” Problem is, they do not ask the obvious question. If he can win there, and not here, why exactly is that?"  

This is what I was referring to after seeing the article on Reid having to leave here to win.   This idea of being proud to have people leave to become GMs or head coaches and win elsewhere ... it's stupid to me.  You do what Belichek does in NE... " you win here, not any where else"   If Wentz gets added to this... do the " enablers"  stop drinking the kewel ade each time someone leaves here?    

Another good take.... 

" The one thing I know about Lurie, though, is that he won’t like this perception that the Eagles don’t know what they’re doing and he definitely doesn’t like it when the Eagles become the butt of jokes. Remember, Lurie stripped Roseman of personnel power before, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that it might happen again in the future."

The butts are coming for sure.... but don't worry... each year enough of the fanbase gets tunnel vision... " who can we draft this year"  But that's been my point, the fanbase aren't the issue, they get wrapped up in Nate Gerry at LB or why did we draft Shariff Miller round 4.... each team does that small level type of mistakes... the butt of jokes will happen over the big stuff.  Like if Andy keeps having success, Doug gets a new job and succeeds and yes, Wentz doing really well in Indy.   Those things get the national media and people around the league telling the jokes about the Eagles.  To me that will motivate Lurie to look in the mirror.

49 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Josh Allen has a way better arm than Hurts, not even close. 

Yup, but Hurts' arm strength is perfectly fine for an NFL qb.

But we aren;t debating arm strength. The video you showed questioned Hurts' accuracy. And I posted the Allen video to show you that not every qb who has a rough start to their careers in terms of accuracy is doomed to never be an accurate passer.

26 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I disagree because it's rare when we pick in the top 10 and I'm not passing up a chance at a stud(at any position). Maybe we get top 10 picks later, IDK,but I'm striking while the iron is hot. What happens later,is later. BTW,for me it's not WHERE we pick, but picking the CORRECT players and that has been an issue in the past. My mock addresses alot of our needs,lineman too. We're not fixing this in one draft,but we can improve the talent and youth

Not going to be so rare.  This is what I believe fans have their heads up their arses about.   This sense of entitlement that the Eagles won't have a bad streak of seasons???    The uniform doesn't win, the players do.  in the next 4 years, I wouldn't be surprised if we picked top 10 ... 3 times.  

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not going to be so rare.  This is what I believe fans have their heads up their arses about.   This sense of entitlement that the Eagles won't have a bad streak of seasons???    The uniform doesn't win, the players do.  in the next 4 years, I wouldn't be surprised if we picked top 10 ... 3 times.  

Well, this next year I am shooting for .500 which would take us out of the top 10 easily,so I will take a top 10 pick when I get one. We won 4 games. lost many by few points and alot making bonehead mistakes and Wentz's league leading pick count. So if we can win 4 games with crap, we cant win 8 with solid play? I would be happy if we went 8-9, at least you know you are moving in the right direction

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Yup, but Hurts' arm strength is perfectly fine for an NFL qb.

But we aren;t debating arm strength. The video you showed questioned Hurts' accuracy. And I posted the Allen video to show you that not every qb who has a rough start to their careers in terms of accuracy is doomed to never be an accurate passer.

I have no issue believing Hurts can improve his accuracy on short throws.... it's the ones where the throws won't be easy that I don't think will improve due to lack of arm strength... like the one INT we see in Dallas.  

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I have no issue believing Hurts can improve his accuracy on short throws.... it's the ones where the throws won't be easy that I don't think will improve due to lack of arm strength... like the one INT we see in Dallas.  

He doesn't lack arm strength. They literally measure how fast a qb can throw the ball at the combine, and he is the same as guys like Herbert, Jordan Love and Daniel Jones.

Look for yourself.

QB MPH List (pass2win.com)

He doesn't have elite arm talent, but neither does the vast majority of NFL qbs.

Please look at the year Mahomes and Watson threw at the combine. Are they going to struggle because they lack elite arm strength? 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well, this next year I am shooting for .500 which would take us out of the top 10 easily,so I will take a top 10 pick when I get one

Next year should be the best season out of the next 3.   Especially if Kelce plays.   fast forward a year or 2... no Kelce for sure, what about Graham, Cox, Slay, McCloud, Lane and Brooks?   Draft your skiil guy at 6 ... what happens to the DL?    I can easily see 7 or 8 wins this year if everything goes well.... then another drop off as the vets all leave.  

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

He doesn't lack arm strength. They literally measure how fast a qb can throw the ball at the combine, and he is the same as guys like Herbert, Jordan Love and Daniel Jones.

Look for yourself.

QB MPH List (pass2win.com)

He doesn't have elite arm talent, but neither does the vast majority of NFL qbs.

Please look at the year Mahomes and Watson threw at the combine. Are they going to struggle because they lack elite arm strength? 

The arm strength... is the arm.... which you see on throws that are off balance... not when the feet are set.   They don't do any of these tests with the guys being off balance... do they?   

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Please look at the year Mahomes and Watson threw at the combine. Are they going to struggle because they lack elite arm strength? 

Please look at these 2 guys throwing the ball in NFL games.... IDK anyone who wouldn't say either doesn't have elite arm talent... especially Mahomes????     

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Please look at these 2 guys throwing the ball in NFL games.... IDK anyone who wouldn't say either doesn't have elite arm talent... especially Mahomes????     

I would make the same argument about Hurts hitting Ward or DJax for long TDs, but you have your mind made up, and I have long since stopped trying to convince people of something using facts, since to many people, facts don't matter.

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not going to be so rare.  This is what I believe fans have their heads up their arses about.   This sense of entitlement that the Eagles won't have a bad streak of seasons???    The uniform doesn't win, the players do.  in the next 4 years, I wouldn't be surprised if we picked top 10 ... 3 times.  

If we're picking top 10 3 times in the next 4 years, then Lurie needs to sell the team. This upcoming draft(although you don't think drafts are that important because EVERY draft is about "NOW's" future) there is no future if you ignore the NOW and the draft is the present. This next draft is about you NOT drafting in the top 10 3 times the next 4 years. That is unacceptable and it will also be to Philly fans everywhere. The O line stunk, Wentz Stunk, Ped Stunk and we still won 4 games and were close in some others. I'm not getting the poms poms out of my closet, but I am not as pessimistic. I give the new staff time to show me what they can do before I make assumptions from the past BS. Lurie, as I have said many times needs to grow a set, hire a real GM football guy and tell Howie "thats the way it is, stay or go". I'm just waiting for him to grow a pair and do it. Lurie needs to admit to himself neither he or Howie are in position to make draft picks. The sooner that light comes on the better we will be

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

He doesn't lack arm strength. They literally measure how fast a qb can throw the ball at the combine, and he is the same as guys like Herbert, Jordan Love and Daniel Jones.

Look for yourself.

QB MPH List (pass2win.com)

He doesn't have elite arm talent, but neither does the vast majority of NFL qbs.

Please look at the year Mahomes and Watson threw at the combine. Are they going to struggle because they lack elite arm strength? 

I watched both Josh Allen and Wentz throw in 30 mph winds up in Buffalo last year, you watch both of those guys throw and the arm talent stands out.   You watch Hurts, you know on plays where he doesn't release the ball quickly in rhythm... he is going to be in trouble.  You get him moving to his left, it's going to limit him.  You can bet the defenses will game plan for that.  

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Next year should be the best season out of the next 3.   Especially if Kelce plays.   fast forward a year or 2... no Kelce for sure, what about Graham, Cox, Slay, McCloud, Lane and Brooks?   Draft your skiil guy at 6 ... what happens to the DL?    I can easily see 7 or 8 wins this year if everything goes well.... then another drop off as the vets all leave.  

You can't draft solid linemen at 2,3,4?????

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

I would make the same argument about Hurts hitting Ward or DJax for long TDs, but you have your mind made up, and I have long since stopped trying to convince people of something using facts, since to many people, facts don't matter.

Which one was a long pass to Ward?   DJax was a 50 yard pass that had to have a high arc.   Mahomes throws that and the ball never leaves the tv screen?   Again, when the feet are not set, and everything isn't perfect... that's when the arm talent needs to make up for the circumstances.  I have no issue thinking Hurts won't make the layups... the hard throws that will need to be made at key times, is where I seriously doubt his ability.  I don't care about college or the combine.   I'm looking at the throws I have seen him make so far in real NFL games.  

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You can't draft solid linemen at 2,3,4?????

Absolutely ... I like the linemen round 1... due to the idea that they got locked in for 5 years, and have longer careers.   Better foundation but less flash.   For the team at this stage, I would prefer to see what develops out of the young players at the skill spots.   If it was win now. then I'm with you.  

Is my last mock perfect? No,but I feel it's pretty well thought out and gives us youth and talent at many spots we need it to be. There is no one pick that will turn your team around,it's a plodding process of making each spot better over time. even if you don't like my mock,the positions needed in (what I view) as the order of importance are there. yeah I will pick up some O an D lineman and maybe I grab 1,2 in FA while I work those new guys. I would rather spend my FA loot doing that,than on the skill positions who get hurt easier and who I have to pay to ride pine. I want to find lanes replacement ASAP and if that guy is not on the roster,then I need to get busy. As far as kelce,I mentioned before we have taken C's then released them, but this year we held onto 1,so he must be the heir apparent. Siri will decide that now(or hopefully the brass will let him)

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Absolutely ... I like the linemen round 1... due to the idea that they got locked in for 5 years, and have longer careers.   Better foundation but less flash.   For the team at this stage, I would prefer to see what develops out of the young players at the skill spots.   If it was win now. then I'm with you.  

OK just personal difference of opinion. I want my skill guys at 1, for the same reasons. But 5 vs 4 years is not that big a deal,because if they aren't performing by year 3,you made the wrong call or have a crap staff(which we supposedly fixed). I can find 'adequate" linemen in 2,3,4 and maybe beyond if I need BU's/WIP's. I am fine with "adequate" ,but I want a playmaker in round 1. If my line is adequate enough, my stars will shine

45 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Is my last mock perfect? No,but I feel it's pretty well thought out and gives us youth and talent at many spots we need it to be.

Just busting stones.... I hope every draft gives youth and talent.   Although I guess technically didn't we draft the fireman guy that was like 29 or so?   

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

He doesn't lack arm strength. They literally measure how fast a qb can throw the ball at the combine, and he is the same as guys like Herbert, Jordan Love and Daniel Jones.

Look for yourself.

QB MPH List (pass2win.com)

He doesn't have elite arm talent, but neither does the vast majority of NFL qbs.

Please look at the year Mahomes and Watson threw at the combine. Are they going to struggle because they lack elite arm strength? 

  JSB, Although I do agree with you partly, your website shows speed, not distance. Do you have anything to back that up? He may be able to throw 54 MPH but how far can he throw it?

 

 

19 minutes ago, stine said:

  JSB, Although I do agree with you partly, your website shows speed, not distance. Do you have anything to back that up? He may be able to throw 54 MPH but how far can he throw it?

 

 

I don't take alot of stock in  "testing" like this. It's an "indicator", thats all it is to me. How far and fast and accurate can this guy throw while I am hurling bowling balls at his head? That's the test I want to see

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Just busting stones.... I hope every draft gives youth and talent.   Although I guess technically didn't we draft the fireman guy that was like 29 or so?   

We get some talent in here,then ruin them. That takes talent right there to screw up a players natural abilities (and we're good at it!!)

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Colts win a playoff game next year... 
Giants win the division      

Both due to their QBs.      Weapons matter ... like you said... give him this this and this.... well... if we had this this and this... you don't have to ask the hot dog vendor or the ipsod what went wrong.  That is on the GM.     Josh Allen didn't miraculously learn how to play this year... Diggs was a game changer for that offense.    Watch what happens to Jones in NY if they add a premier receiving weapon to that offense.    Everyone looking for that nest Russell Wilson ... if you can get that old Seattle defense and power running game, then maybe it might work,  but not a style I would look to duplicate.  The big guys that have the arms and can see over the line have the edge in ultimately winning anything... with the ability to move, not run first.  

Let's see what happens this year.   I had this discussion with friends of mine over the weekend.   We were smarter back in the day when it came to sports.  We knew the Eagles didn't win under Buddy because the OL wasn't good.   No soap opera excuses... today we look for everything other than Howie putting a crappy roster for 2 straight years.  The ipod, the hot dog vendor, the chemistry set.... all come after getting the talent in place.  Nothing happens without that.  

What would be the difference in Jones gaining a premier pass catching option and Hurts? Let’s say the Eagles draft Chase and the Giants draft Smith.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What would be the difference in Jones gaining a premier pass catching option and Hurts? Let’s say the Eagles draft Chase and the Giants draft Smith.

We will see on the field.  

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What would be the difference in Jones gaining a premier pass catching option and Hurts? Let’s say the Eagles draft Chase and the Giants draft Smith.

The Giants already have their RB.

If he can regain his form.

28 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

The Giants already have their RB.

If he can regain his form.

I’m not going to say Sanders is Barkley...but Sanders is really a quality weapon. I’m actually pretty glad they haven’t used him much to this point. He wasn’t used much in college. Gotta a lot of thick tread on those tires.