5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Bet he throws better then mr. 52% 

52% isn't bad when you have D linemen in your face all day and WR's who can't get open

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

52% isn't bad when you have D linemen in your face all day

Lmao but Carson who was more accurate and less mobile was bad oh love how we like to make excuses for Mr.52

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao but Carson who was more accurate and less mobile was bad oh love how we like to make excuses for Mr.52

yes and he(Wentz) led the league in Picks and sacks even after he was PULLED for 4 games. Wonder how much worse those stats would be if he threw those passes he tooks sacks on lol and you are comparing a 5 year vet to a ROOKIE lmao

Trade Hurts, he sucks after 3 games, sign Suds to a 5 year and we're ready to roll

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

yes and he(Wentz) led the league in Picks and sacks even after he was PULLED for 4 games. Wonder how much worse those stats would be if he threw those passes he tooks sacks on lol and you are comparing a 5 year vet to a ROOKIE lmao

Yea and if you project Hurts stats out from his four games he takes just as many sacks throws as many ints and more fumbles. 
 

The double standard is real with you lmao 

I forgot being in the league 5 years makes you capable of dodging unblocked defenders. Or because your sacked the most in under 2 secs because as soon as he sys home Wentz was suppose to dodge 4 guys get out of the pocket make a perfect pass. 
 

But Hurts nah the pressure is why he threw 52% and his ints and fumbles that damn OL and no playmakers 

Don't know why we're talking about this. For better or worse we're stuck with Hurts for at least this year.

10 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Don't know why we're talking about this. For better or worse we're stuck with Hurts for at least this year.

All because I believe we are drafting a QB woth our top pick is how this all started and he doesn’t believe so. 

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

All because I believe we are drafting a QB woth our top pick is how this all started and he doesn’t believe so. 

I don't think they will draft a QB that high 2 years in a row.

Howie would have to admit he effed up royally for that to happen.

5 hours ago, stine said:

 True but there was talk about using the tag on him. Now who knows? You now have Rudolph, Henry and Jonnu Smith all available as FA's. Henry and Smith are younger.... Granted, there is not allot others out there as good as Ertz and none in the draft except Pitts. So we still have a shot at a 4th. I was hoping for a 3rd though lol

If we get a 7th, that would surprise me. Zero leverage after they missed trading him before the deadline.  A team won't give anything up, to a guy that wants a big raise , on the last year of his contract unless they already have something in place. If they already have something in place, no need to trade for him.  

Teams have to deal with agents, looks better if you release the player and let him decide,  otherwise the next time the agent has a player you could get, he might choose the other team. 

4 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I don't think they will draft a QB that high 2 years in a row.

Howie would have to admit he effed up royally for that to happen.

Howie also has his job on the line think he is hitching his wagon on the maybe of Hurts I don’t. Think Howie is going to do everything possible to make sure we have a QB even if that means drafting a QB high again 

The qb class next year is going to be full of intriguing prospects. There are like 6 Lance/Wilson/Jones types coming up through the ranks. So I don't see why they would grab a guy this year when they have the ammo next year to grab one. And if Hurts plays well, you have three picks in the first two rounds to build around him.

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Howie also has his job on the line think he is hitching his wagon on the maybe of Hurts I don’t. Think Howie is going to do everything possible to make sure we have a QB even if that means drafting a QB high again 

We're gonna disagree on this

I'd be willing to bet a 6 pack of my favorite beer against your favorite 

You have to remember we made the bet though because i suffer from CRS (Cant Remember ****)

5 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think getting the Qb is key I’d much rather get it right at QB over having this strong roster and no QB ie the bears just sitting in purgatory 

Yeah but see... the trick is not staying there.  You move on. The roster isn't good, the wrong QB isn't going to win with this one.  

Look at history...no first round QB drafted from 2009 to 2016 is with the team that drafted them. Like zero out of 35.  The next top guys... Mahomes Watson and Josh Allen... were not taken at the top of their drafts.   Why be afraid of picking 10 to 15?  It's not like we need to rush to draft one next year either,  we should easily be back in the top 10 in 2 years if the QB is the wrong guy.  It's not a good roster.  

This tweet.

Tyler Steege on Twitter: "It’s incredibly hard to evaluate talent on the #Eagles roster simply because so many players have been put in positions to fail rather than succeed more often than not under Doug Pederson. JJAW Reagor Fulgham Mailata Dillard Goedert Sanders We dont know how good these guys are." / Twitter

I would add Maddox and Wallace to this list.

Also, he has a spicy take on Dillard.

Tyler Steege on Twitter: "Unless you’re getting premium picks back - trading Andre Dillard makes zero sense. Ultra talented player who hasn’t had a real chance as a full-time starter. Having depth at LT, especially with how banged up the offensive line has been for the #Eagles shouldn’t be downplayed." / Twitter

Dillard could easily come into training camp and be a shutdown LT. He was a top 10 prospect at one point.

One final note, Fulgham had ankle surgery after the season. That may have been the reason he declined after a great four game stretch. I wouldn't sleep on any of these receivers.

39 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

we should easily be back in the top 10 in 2 years if the QB is the wrong guy.  It's not a good roster.  

That is some confidence and if I truly thought we were that terrible Joe I would agree with you but I don’t see us picking this high again for awhile. And the history of picking QB at 15ish isn’t all that great. You got two guys from the same class in Mahomes/Watson that went 10-12 after that what is that success rate looking like??? 

50 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

There are like 6 Lance/Wilson/Jones types coming up through the ranks. So I don't see why they would grab a guy this year when they have the ammo next year to grab one. And if Hurts plays well, you have three picks in the first two rounds to build around him.

I don’t see it can’t say guys won’t come up he be surprises but that is a massive assumption on the QBs next year. Also a massive leap of faith on Hurts. 
Stand by get the QB figured out this year use next years draft capital and cap to build the roster around them. 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Stand by get the QB figured out this year use next years draft capital and cap to build the roster around them. 

They might do that. But I think you should start preparing yourself for the likely scenario that Hurts will be the qb.

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Stand by get the QB figured out this year use next years draft capital and cap to build the roster around them. 

Complete 180

Why draft a QB and waste years with him and a cheap contract while you are trying to build the roster around him? By the time you finally get the roster built, your now paying this QB a new contract and its all over. 

Your better off building the roster first with a solid group, then draft a QB or even pick one up. Seamed to work well for the Chiefs and Bucs the last few years. Teams that start with the QB in the top 10 in most cases dont pan out and are right in the same situation a few years down the road. Bears, Jets, Texans, Dolphins. The few teams the QB did work out cant afford to build a team after a few years when that now top 10 Qb wants 40+ mill a year. 

Honestly, with the past results, Im never drafting a top 10 QB again. Just doesnt work out well. 

 

8 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

What makes me laugh even more is we want to draft a TE at 6 the one position we are actually ok at... We have a pretty good TE in Geodart but let’s draft another guy.

 

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Pitts is a TE and WR both. He would easily be a top 5-6 WR even if he was only a WR. You want value? How about 2 round 1 guys with 1 pick???

I don't see Pitts as a TE. I see him as an ultimate O weapon! Imagine him and Goedert together just for the sake as only seeing him as a TE. If that is how anyone sees him. If he's still there at 6 Philly would be fools to give him a pass. 

4 hours ago, jsb235 said:

This tweet.

Tyler Steege on Twitter: "It’s incredibly hard to evaluate talent on the #Eagles roster simply because so many players have been put in positions to fail rather than succeed more often than not under Doug Pederson. JJAW Reagor Fulgham Mailata Dillard Goedert Sanders We dont know how good these guys are." / Twitter

I would add Maddox and Wallace to this list.

Also, he has a spicy take on Dillard.

Tyler Steege on Twitter: "Unless you’re getting premium picks back - trading Andre Dillard makes zero sense. Ultra talented player who hasn’t had a real chance as a full-time starter. Having depth at LT, especially with how banged up the offensive line has been for the #Eagles shouldn’t be downplayed." / Twitter

Dillard could easily come into training camp and be a shutdown LT. He was a top 10 prospect at one point.

One final note, Fulgham had ankle surgery after the season. That may have been the reason he declined after a great four game stretch. I wouldn't sleep on any of these receivers.

If I fight hard to crawl out of the pessimistic shell these are valid points. 

12 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Here is the question where are we picking next year???? He doesn’t cut it we stuck at 14-15 like NE??? How much does that move up then cost to get a QB would think lot more then this year. On top of that who is in that class will there be a QB worthy tons of unknowns in waiting as well. 
 

Id rather lose some draft capital this draft get another QB to legit compete with Hurts and keep as much possible in 22 to build around the QB but that is just my approach 

Here would be my counter.  If Hurts isn't good,  there is no shot we are picking as low as 14-15.  And even so, let's look at your scenario,  we pick 15 and next year there isn't any QB worthy of picking round 1, and even throw in that Indy wins the Superbowl but Wentz doesn't play 70 % of the snaps, so the pick is #64 from them.   

Why do you need to get the QB next year?  I'm assuming you think the roster in 2021 with Kelce,  Brooks, Lane, Cox, Graham, Slay,McCloud...the 30 somethings... will be good, but Hurts brings them down... well,  don't you think those guys aren't going to be as good or maybe some aren't going to be here in 2022?  If so, wouldn't the team be even worse?  

If that is the case, why not build the roster with draft picks for 2021 and 2022, let them get some experience,  then get the QB in the 2023 draft? 

Or maybe a 35 year old Russell Wilson...lol. 

I think this is where the Giants and Redskins have jumped ahead the last few years. The teams around the QB have gotten experience and  better.  Now Washington adds a QB and NY adds a weapon along with Barkley... and things take a big step forward.  Dad is getting paid mostly due to the fact Dallas has given him a good supporting cast his whole career barring the early part of the season before they traded for Cooper.    

I think going QB early could be spinning wheels right now.  Like the Jets with Darnold...4 years of crap around him and we know nothing. Build it up for Hurts or the next guy.  Similar to what Indy has done the last few years.  I agree you need the QB, but it's wasting him if the team is crap around him. Get some young guys in there first.  I think the defense needs a lot of work if you look at it past 2021. Maybe the focus should be there in these next 2 drafts. 

12 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

He was significantly worse then Went did you watched the games he fumbled just as often got sacked as much, threw an int a game fumbled 6 times and only completed 52% of his passes in 3.5 games as you like to say. 
 

This isn’t even bringing in the fact points per game were worse with Hurts at the helm. 
 

And who is our starting QB we don’t have one why it’s perfect for competition. Our team isn’t behind anyone we don’t have a starting QB 

Right, so I don't get where you think we will draft in the middle with this guy at QB?   

12 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

You DON'T use a 2nd round pick on a back up.

The team knew something was up with Wentz

And while we're at it a QB doesn't forget how to play the position during 1 off season. There's more here than anyone is telling us.

The team knew Jack spit... they still don't know jack spit.  

My theory... they got drunk one night and dared themselves how bad can we f#$# this up for Doug and Wentz.   They won the dare.

12 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If you wanted a QB at 6 this draft why not just keep Wentz???? Let them compete(as you said) We had another year on his contract,why let him go?????

To save 22 million vs the 2022 cap ...for a team that couldn't win a national championship, let alone a Superbowl.