6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

To save 22 million vs the 2022 cap ...for a team that couldn't win a national championship, let alone a Superbowl.   

Yes the point was, what are you getting with your round 1 QB pick that isn't named Lawrence, that you wouldn't have had if we kept Wentz (sans the money, just talking talent wise). And frankly with an unknown round 1 pick he is automatically better than a round 2 unknown?  Rankings are ASSUMPTIONS and a GUIDE as to who would work best in an NFL scenario, it's not the law. I'll snag a guy like Mills from Stanford later. Some guys that "rank" 15 would be a perfect fit for any certain team at 5,6,7. Depends on each teams opinion and make-up. So, we have hashed through this twice before and op's aren't changing.Y'all know where I stand on it. I just hope at pick 6 we don't end up standing IN it

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Source says Lane Johnson was willing to restructure his contract to help Eagles with the cap but now will not be restructuring because Eagles don’t need him to

I know Brooks reworked his deal likely putting us in that 7-9 mil over range. Guessing with Goodwin likely cut a new deal for Barnett and whatever we decide with Ertz we will be good. 

Did Graham get a new deal??? I’d rather we didn’t extend him but it’s likely it happens still 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

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Source says Lane Johnson was willing to restructure his contract to help Eagles with the cap but now will not be restructuring because Eagles don’t need him to

Is this good or bad? At least we aren't kicking another contract down the road lol

23 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Is this good or bad? At least we aren't kicking another contract down the road lol

I mean good I’d image means we should be good on cap... Also with Lane injury history recently I’d rather be able to move on from him sooner rather then later if need be. Don’t need another JP hanging around way to long 

20 hours ago, stine said:

here is what I saw

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/philadelphia-eagles/nfl-salary-cap-set-look-eagles-situation-2017

 

 

Right,  we know from the article,  that both Barwin and Matthew's were cut, so was Chase Daniel.  I remember it getting up there close to 30 mil by the time the season started, but like the article said,  the moves actually saved cap space.  

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2021/brenden-jaimes  Here is my OT choice down in round 6. Seems like a nice prospect. IDK why he is ranked as low as he is,but could be a nice pick up to work on this year to get ready for Lane's replacement

16 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

That is some confidence and if I truly thought we were that terrible Joe I would agree with you but I don’t see us picking this high again for awhile. And the history of picking QB at 15ish isn’t all that great. You got two guys from the same class in Mahomes/Watson that went 10-12 after that what is that success rate looking like??? 

Yeah... I think we differ because it's your birthright to have the other 3 teams in the division stink. I'm not blinded by that, I pay attention to how they have built up their teams. For a while we could say very easily that the best units on the line of scrimmage within the division have been the Eagles 2 lines and the Dallas OL. The rest of the 5 units were way behind.  

While we were sleeping here,  the Giants lines have taken a big step forward and the best unit of the bunch is the Washington DL.   Our units from 2017 are 4 years older, with less depth.  It's great that guys like Mailata, Herbig, and Sweat aren't terrible...but all need to take a huge leap to be impact level.

That's what we have relied on to be better than those teams.  So when you don't see " anytime soon" with us picking near the top... yet 5 anchor pieces of our lines are Kelce, Brooks,  Lane,  Graham and Cox.   Yes, I absolutely disagree.  To me very easily there could be a big drop in play after 2021 season.  Especially compared to the other teams in our division, who are trending the opposite direction. 

And so... UNLESS Hurts is really good, I can't see him keeping us from drafting high after 2021.

This is a pretty good listen on how the Eagles may change their defense under Gannon.

The Solak Show: PFF’s Seth Galina talks Cover 2 and Jonathan Gannon’s defense - Bleeding Green Nation

One interesting thing to me is that the Colts get a lot of credit for drafting well on defense, but to me their scheme makes their players look better than they are. Kenny Moore was an UDFA, Rhodes was terrible in Minnestota, and their safeties are third and fourth round picks. So talent wise we are probably equal to the Colts in the secondary. Our scheme just put way too much pressure on the corners.

Another interesting point they made is that, in a cover 2 scheme, the slot corner can play inside leverage to help against the run, which to me makes Wallace an ideal fit for that position because he is bigger and tackles really well. It also makes sense to me to move Maddox to safety where he can cover a lot of ground.

We may be an athletic LB (Cox) and a solid corner (Newsome) away from having a really solid defense.

 

 

21 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Bet he throws better then mr. 52% 

They rounded up to get to 52%.  Like everything Hurts related... things seem to get rounded up.  Never have I seen so many people give excuses to what their eyes have seen with a guy.   I'm just curious of how bad a passer he must have been if people think he took such big steps forward passing the ball?   But yeah, this guy will take a bad roster and make it mediocre...lol

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

 

We may be an athletic LB (Cox) and a solid corner (Newsome) away from having a really solid defense.

 

 

This reminds me of an NBA coach a while back saying " we are 2 players away ... if we had Michael Jordan and Patrick Ewing, we would be right there!"

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

think we differ because it's your birthright to have the other 3 teams in the division stink. I'm not blinded by that, I pay attention to how they have built up their teams.

My birth has nothing to do with it lol... It the simple fact that the other teams in our division are terrible still.

Washington has a good DL they had a good DL for awhile. But they have a meh OL no QB no secondary meh Lbs. need a TE and other weapons outside of McLurin.

NY again no QB no OL no pass rushers, no secondary no LBs. Meh WRs but yup they got Saquon and they got Engram maybe 

Dallas might be the best of the bunch with securing Dak. But that OL is older just like ours Zeke is older with lots of trend on him. But they have an aerial attack. The D has holes all over a meh DL with an aging pass rusher who the only good player. No secondary either 

So if I think anything it’s that the East is terrible as a whole with no team really jumping out in front with massive holes all around 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

My birth has nothing to do with it lol... It the simple fact that the other teams in our division are terrible still.

Washington has a good DL they had a good DL for awhile. But they have a meh OL no QB no secondary meh Lbs. need a TE and other weapons outside of McLurin.

NY again no QB no OL no pass rushers, no secondary no LBs. Meh WRs but yup they got Saquon and they got Engram maybe 

Dallas might be the best of the bunch with securing Dak. But that OL is older just like ours Zeke is older with lots of trend on him. But they have an aerial attack. The D has holes all over a meh DL with an aging pass rusher who the only good player. No secondary either 

So if I think anything it’s that the East is terrible as a whole with no team really jumping out in front with massive holes all around 

So I disagree a lot here.  

Washington DL may have been good..big difference between good...and what they are now and the projection based up the age of the players.  Their TE was pretty good.  Their OL was improving. 

NYG, I think we are polar opposite here for sure.  Especially if you watched the 2nd half of the season.  Their OL took huge step up. QB was solid and with more weapons he can easily trend like Josh Allen did with the addition of Diggs,  not as good, but close enough.  Their secondary quietly has improved with a pro bowl CB in the mix. 

Dallas to me could easily be 3rd of the bunch.  The bigger trend is the age of each team, they have guys entering into their primes, ahead of our guys in terms of stages of development.  Our young guys are a RB and TE... nice players,  not going to change games. 

We will see what happens,but I think you missed a lot toward the 2nd half of the season in how these teams were trending.  They are way ahead of us.

11 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

 

Dallas might be the best of the bunch with securing Dak. But that OL is older just like ours Zeke is older with lots of trend on him. But they have an aerial attack. The D has holes all over a meh DL with an aging pass rusher 

This... aging RB is 25 ... their pass rusher is 28.   Their aging OL... all three of their top guys are younger than ours.  Collins by a decent amount.  

But this is my point,  we can see our guys doing well but not the other teams?   Our 30 and 33 year old guys are not old, but their 28 year old are?  

We had our run... the down cycle is coming, might be tough for fans who haven't experienced it yet.  Been since the 1970s where we haven't won 10 games for 4 seasons in a row.  3 in a row so far, can easily see it be 6 or 7 by the time we turn it around, and this 2021 season being the best of the next 3.

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

This... aging RB is 25 ... their pass rusher is 28.   Their aging OL... all three of their top guys are younger than ours.  Collins by a decent amount.

26 is how Zeke will be and has had massive usage since his college days and plays a hard demanding style.... That aging OL is like a year younger lmao come on your better then this but that 1 year age difference is huge. 
that 28 year old pass rusher is 29 by the time the season starts and the only piece of the DL.

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

we can see our guys doing well but not the other teams?   Our 30 and 33 year old guys are not old, but their 28 year old are?  

See this is where we differ I see it I see a terrible division lol.... You say our guys are old but don’t see it in the rest of the East. 

31 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Their OL was improving. 

Washington is just a Michael Jordan and Patrick Ewing away from having a decent oline. 

10 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

26 is how Zeke will be and has had massive usage since his college days and plays a hard demanding style.... That aging OL is like a year younger lmao come on your better then this but that 1 year age difference is huge. 
that 28 year old pass rusher is 29 by the time the season starts and the only piece of the DL.

So we agree... that when comparing age... that both the Esgles and Dallas have 3 guys on the OL to compare.  Sure Martin and their LT might be only a year or so younger than Brooks and Lane...how much younger is Collins compared to Kelce?

So by the time the season starts...it's a big deal Lawrence will be 29...but no issue with Graham and Cox age?  And Hargrave being a year younger than Lawrence is like a huge difference?

And again... I see Dallas as 3rd.  Which BTW, I like Pollard in addition to Zeke, but in general I'm not a big RB guy as far as what I think the impact on the team would be, however our issues of pass protection at that spot is a concern for me.

If you think our division is so terrible... I say we won't win 4 games within the division for a while.  If we can't win 4 games within the division,  how does that work when we play supposedly better teams outside our division?   

6 wins should get you to draft 8-12.  We will have another shot at a QB soon enough.

22 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

See this is where we differ I see it I see a terrible division lol.... You say our guys are old but don’t see it in the rest of the East. 

Because we are older... it's not complicated is it?  Our older guys are much older and our younger guys are really young, we have nothing in the 26-29 prime age group that would be considered a top player. 

Of course you will just focus on the differences between Brooks,  Lane and 2 guys that are a year younger and not the bigger picture.  It's ok...the NFC East will be eternally bad.   We will always be decent regardless of no star players in their prime and a QB who threw less than 52%.   I think we could put a high school team out there and people could spin it to where it would be an 8 win team.  The birthright thing.

19 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Washington is just a Michael Jordan and Patrick Ewing away from having a decent oline. 

Similar to our defense.  Just 2 guys away.

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So we agree... that when comparing age... that both the Esgles and Dallas have 3 guys on the OL to compare.  Sure Martin and their LT might be only a year or so younger than Brooks and Lane...how much younger is Collins compared to Kelce?

So by the time the season starts...it's a big deal Lawrence will be 29...but no issue with Graham and Cox age?  And Hargrave being a year younger than Lawrence is like a huge difference?

And again... I see Dallas as 3rd.  Which BTW, I like Pollard in addition to Zeke, but in general I'm not a big RB guy as far as what I think the impact on the team would be, however our issues of pass protection at that spot is a concern for me.

If you think our division is so terrible... I say we won't win 4 games within the division for a while.  If we can't win 4 games within the division,  how does that work when we play supposedly better teams outside our division?   

6 wins should get you to draft 8-12.  We will have another shot at a QB soon enough.

Lmao your the one who seems to be making a huge deal bout an age difference Joe not me. Your the one acting like that small age difference between the OL and the DL is so drastic not me I see old teams and a terrible East division 

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

6 wins should get you to draft 8-12.  We will have another shot at a QB soon enough.

6 wins 7 wins we can win the NFC Least next year yes I think our division is terrible all around. Yes I can see us winning 3-4 games against East opponents even splits down the board. 

12 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao your the one who seems to be making a huge deal bout an age difference Joe not me. Your the one acting like that small age difference between the OL and the DL is so drastic not me I see old teams and a terrible East division 

Idk...I'm funny that way thinking ages 27-28 compared to 33 are big when it comes to football.  

Not sure all the old guys on the Giants and Washington though?  I will say that I won't sleep on the idea players will want to go to Washington to play for Rivera.  They have a ton of cap space this year to make things happen and build off of last year.  And we already disagree about everything NYG related.   Could easily see those 2 teams fighting for the division.  But I easily see 3 of the NFC East teams winning at least 8 games and none of them taking any dips in the near future. 

We may not pick 6, but we should have a couple of shots picking slightly lower in the next couple of drafts... unless Hurts is good. 

17 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

6 wins 7 wins we can win the NFC Least next year yes I think our division is terrible all around. Yes I can see us winning 3-4 games against East opponents even splits down the board. 

It's OK, we disagree. Tell me though... about halfway through the year, we were in first place... how did the 2nd half of the year trend for the 2 teams that ended up in 1st and 2nd place?

IDK we have been injecting YOUTH, but that's not enough, we need the young guys to step it up,so we can stop falling back on "old reliable". We need to keep cutting out the dead weight on this roster. Jjaw can go, Clement can go, or at least I hope we draft guys that can give them the boot. I hope this new staff kicks some butt and lights some jocks on fire. We have to stop drafting terminal BU's, we need guys that can go from BU to starting