FWIW here is my mock at the moment  1-6 Pitts 2-37-CB of choice 3-70 Jaylen Tywman-DL-Pitt  3-84- Tylan Wallace-WR-Ok st  5-151-Jaret Patterson -RB-Buffalo(like this kid alot) 5-157-Tony Fields-LB-WV 6-189-Davis Mills-QB-Stanford 6-224- Brendan Jaimes-OT-Nebraska 6-225-Kendrick Green-IOL-Illinois 7-234-Jermar Jefferson-RB-Oregon St.   Pick up Mack in FA    UDFA-Brady White-QB-Memphis   Dalman-C-Stanford  Tariq Thompson-S-SD st.  Ade-edge-ND

34 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

6 wins 7 wins we can win the NFC Least next year yes I think our division is terrible all around. Yes I can see us winning 3-4 games against East opponents even splits down the board. 

Here is what I think you would say if you were a fan of either Wash or NYG.

" it's exciting to see how our team finishes after a slow start with new regimes and Covid slowing down the learning curve....

( your spin for Wash) ... ' we won 5 out of the last 7 games, have plenty of cap space to sign free agents and a popular coach around the league"  

( spin for NYG)  " we won 5 out of the last 8 games.  We are getting the best RB in football back and are in prime position to draft either a top weapon or a CB to play opposite our pro bowler. " 

You would add... " looking at Philly they are going with a QB who threw less than 52 % and all of their good players are over 30.  We should be in good shape going forward " 

I mean, it's an easy sell there compared to saying " the Eagles are good, except Hurts will bring them down to mediocrity "  the sell for the Eagles should be what JBS and Ham are saying..." Wentz and Doug are the problems, Hurts has intangibles coming from the lint in his pockets, he will make the difference " 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

( spin for NYG)  " we won 5 out of the last 8 games.  We are getting the best RB in football back and are in prime position to draft either a top weapon or a CB to play opposite our pro bowler. " 

You would add... " looking at Philly they are going with a QB who threw less than 52 % and all of their good players are over 30.  We should be in good shape going forward " 

NYGiants projected oline - Thomas (62.4 pff grade, most sacks allowed by a tackle), Will Hernandez (sub 60 pff grade), Nick Gates (sub 60 pff grade), Shane Lemieux (graded as one of the worst guards in football at 32), Nate Solder (considered one of the biggest FA busts in recent memory. Allowed 11 sacks in 2019 and opted out last year. But the pff NYGinats champ at 64.9)

Its a horse race on whether our backup line of Dillard (59 pff), Opeta (57 pff), Juriga (no significant snaps), Herbig (74 pff) and Driscoll (57 pff) is better or worse than their starters. But that's the team you seem to be saying that has a bright and wonderful future. They do, as long as needing a competent oline never becomes part of the equation. 

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

NYGiants projected oline - Thomas (62.4 pff grade, most sacks allowed by a tackle), Will Hernandez (sub 60 pff grade), Nick Gates (sub 60 pff grade), Shane Lemieux (graded as one of the worst guards in football at 32), Nate Solder (considered one of the biggest FA busts in recent memory. Allowed 11 sacks in 2019 and opted out last year. But the pff NYGinats champ at 64.9)

Its a horse race on whether our backup line of Dillard (59 pff), Opeta (57 pff), Juriga (no significant snaps), Herbig (74 pff) and Driscoll (57 pff) is better or worse than their starters. But that's the team you seem to be saying that has a bright and wonderful future. They do, as long as needing a competent oline never becomes part of the equation. 

That's great with PFF for the ENTIRE 2020 season... how did your eyes think they played the 2nd half of the season... where if it was your Eagles ...your idea would be to look at that part due to the adjustment needed for the new scheme in the first part of the year?  

We've seen this play out many times,  where how a team finishes a season,especially under a new coach,  is a good way of protecting the direction they go.   

We see Washington and NYG of years past and the beginning of last year..  the reality of the teams that finished for them were a lot better.  And both in good positions to improve. 

BTW, this new phone is annoying changing my words with autocorrect. 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

That's great with PFF for the ENTIRE 2020 season... how did your eyes think they played the 2nd half of the season... where if it was your Eagles ...your idea would be to look at that part due to the adjustment needed for the new scheme in the first part of the year?

I actually watch a ton of Giants content, and I tracked their oline play throughout the year. Thomas was up and down. But I think he will be at best an average tackle, and may eventually move to guard. When he's really good, he's good. But way too many bad moments. Their guards are terrible. Losing Zeitler is a killer for them. Their center is okay. He is the one guy on their team I would be fine with being our backup/eventual replacement for Kelce. At tackle, Solder coming back is horrible for them since Peart showed that he is pretty good, and I actually thought he looked better than Thomas.

The Giants are in trouble. They had one quality win last year against Seattle, and every other win was against bad teams. Plus, they were remarkably healthy. Barkley was their only significant injury. Washington was the same. They had very few serious injuries last year. And both teams were barely better than us. Their offense is just really bad, and Joe Theisman ain't walking through the door.

There are two things we have to worry about. Dallas is a team with more talent than us. If they are healthy, they will be tough. And our star players have to stay healthy. If we get a full season from the oline and dline, I don't see us losing to either the WFT or the Giants unless they get incredibly lucky in the draft. 

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I actually watch a ton of Giants content, and I tracked their oline play throughout the year. Thomas was up and down. But I think he will be at best an average tackle, and may eventually move to guard. When he's really good, he's good. But way too many bad moments. Their guards are terrible. Losing Zeitler is a killer for them. Their center is okay. He is the one guy on their team I would be fine with being our backup/eventual replacement for Kelce. At tackle, Solder coming back is horrible for them since Peart showed that he is pretty good, and I actually thought he looked better than Thomas.

The Giants are in trouble. They had one quality win last year against Seattle, and every other win was against bad teams. Plus, they were remarkably healthy. Barkley was their only significant injury. Washington was the same. They had very few serious injuries last year. And both teams were barely better than us. Their offense is just really bad, and Joe Theisman ain't walking through the door.

There are two things we have to worry about. Dallas is a team with more talent than us. If they are healthy, they will be tough. And our star players have to stay healthy. If we get a full season from the oline and dline, I don't see us losing to either the WFT or the Giants unless they get incredibly lucky in the draft. 

You seem to try hard to find things when obvious stuff is right there.  But here is a spin.  A guy coming back for them is bad, but our guys coming back is good?    Again, look at the teams that finished the year.  Much better than the Eagles.    I love your optimism on absolutely everything Eagles . All 132 " ifs" work out in your mind... but everything for another team won't work.

I think the Giants win the division barring Washington landing a really good QB.   There is a natural progression their guys are going to take, further along than our younger guys and have their roles more defined. A 2nd year in a system helps. The QB should take a nice step forward as things around him stabilize.  They turned the ball over 15 times in the first 8 games...only 7 in the final 8, with 3 of them in one week.  You can easily make a case for both Washington and Giants that it was 2 extremely different halves of the season.  And both has awful starts which new regimes and Covid could easily be seen as the 2 biggest reasons.   

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

 I love your optimism on absolutely everything Eagles . All 132 " ifs" work out in your mind... but everything for another team won't work.

But both Washington and the Giants had a lot of things go right for them last year. and they were still both terrible.

WFT has no qb. They also spend as much on their oline as we do for much worse production. They had one quality win last year, and that was in a season where they were almost 100 percent healthy. They had the 30th best offense. Sure, maybe they take a big step forward. But how? Who is exactly going to put them over the hump. Haskins? Guice? Bryce Love? Josh Doctson? They have had some pretty bad swings and misses in the draft, just like us.

On a sidenote, Darby going from a waste of space to a top corner is a pretty big indication that our scheme made our corners look way worse than they really were. 

The Giants also might not have a qb, and they are going into year three with him. Sure, he might turn into something. But at some point, he is who he is. And they have subtracted their best olineman and second best receiver. Plus they are most likely going to lose one of their best defensive linemen.

I may be optimistic with the Eagles, but I am hardly outside the boundaries of reality. Hurts could be terrible. The receivers may not get any better. The defense could be a disaster. But what good does it do to dwell on that? Jason Avant sees a lot of potential with our wideouts. Is it really a horrible thing to think he may be right? Epps and Singleton graded out really well last year. Is it that unreasonable to think they might be pretty good? Is it really a pipe dream to think Maddox might do better in a different system?

My opinion is that a lot of people on here want Howie Roseman gone, and for that to happen they need the team to be terrible. And so they are filling up this board with doom and gloom predictions, and arguing with anyone who doesn't see things their way. Which is fine. But it is not a fantasy world that this team might be good next year.  

28 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

But both Washington and the Giants had a lot of things go right for them last year. and they were still both terrible.

WFT has no qb. They also spend as much on their oline as we do for much worse production. They had one quality win last year, and that was in a season where they were almost 100 percent healthy. They had the 30th best offense. Sure, maybe they take a big step forward. But how? Who is exactly going to put them over the hump. Haskins? Guice? Bryce Love? Josh Doctson? They have had some pretty bad swings and misses in the draft, just like us.

On a sidenote, Darby going from a waste of space to a top corner is a pretty big indication that our scheme made our corners look way worse than they really were. 

The Giants also might not have a qb, and they are going into year three with him. Sure, he might turn into something. But at some point, he is who he is. And they have subtracted their best olineman and second best receiver. Plus they are most likely going to lose one of their best defensive linemen.

I may be optimistic with the Eagles, but I am hardly outside the boundaries of reality. Hurts could be terrible. The receivers may not get any better. The defense could be a disaster. But what good does it do to dwell on that? Jason Avant sees a lot of potential with our wideouts. Is it really a horrible thing to think he may be right? Epps and Singleton graded out really well last year. Is it that unreasonable to think they might be pretty good? Is it really a pipe dream to think Maddox might do better in a different system?

My opinion is that a lot of people on here want Howie Roseman gone, and for that to happen they need the team to be terrible. And so they are filling up this board with doom and gloom predictions, and arguing with anyone who doesn't see things their way. Which is fine. But it is not a fantasy world that this team might be good next year.  

Again, You ever listen to Jason Avant on the radio.  Everything is always so great. It's who he is. Darby is hardly a top corner, let's relax on this idea of exactly where you are going that everything was Doug, Schwartz and Wentz fault, yet they get no credit for anything good. They simply all forgot everything last year?

I don't predict the team to have as bad a record as last year.  The older guys will make it close to 8 wins.  I'm looking at it from the eye test, and where they are in relation to other teams.   You take a lot for granted and use stats of everything except for how these teams finished the year.   Who will play QB for Washington?  Idk, can it get worse than last year's start for them when they were trying to force Haskins?   Is it coincidence they improved once he stopped playing?   But again, you bring up looking at their history...who cares,  it's a new group in charge now.

With NY, their weapons stink other that the one WR and the TE if he decides to catch the ball.   You can see the QB making some excellent throws.  And turnovers and bad decisions cut way down second half of the season.   A lot of times in the league,  the improvement takes a huge step DURING the season. We saw it with these 2 teams last year.  We can deny if we like, but there is no doubt it's there.  They both have a much better starting point going forward than we do, and considering the level of talent that will be leaving the team in the next few seasons, we will have even more work to catch up.  

Our team has more growing pains to go through,  those 2 already went through a bunch and are on to the next level of development.   It's just reality, regardless of how many articles you find to spin things.   

Not a stat guy ,nor a  PFF rating guy. Using the eye test for WFT, they really got away from using their TE's and having a solid RBBC approach. When they had those positions,they were always a handful. I remember back when Reed was the fantasy TE to own lol. After he got hurt(and his subsequent injuries) they never really replaced him with a TE of value. Now they have a really nice WR. It will be interesting to see what they do before the draft. I see the Pats re-signed Cam, that tells me another year of re-build,l but I think they take their future QB at pick 15 which would be about where Jones goes

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Not a stat guy ,nor a  PFF rating guy. Using the eye test for WFT, they really got away from using their TE's and having a solid RBBC approach. When they had those positions,they were always a handful. I remember back when Reed was the fantasy TE to own lol. After he got hurt(and his subsequent injuries) they never really replaced him with a TE of value. Now they have a really nice WR. It will be interesting to see what they do before the draft. I see the Pats re-signed Cam, that tells me another year of re-build,l but I think they take their future QB at pick 15 which would be about where Jones goes

Their TE helped me towards the end with a big game in a PPR format.   Logan Thomas. 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Their TE helped me towards the end with a big game in a PPR format.   Logan Thomas. 

PPR isn't YPC lol. Let's just say they were more effective with Reed and their RB tandems and they never seemed to get those back in place

BTW I will call them the "Washington Wuss" for caving. The Packers were pressured into changing their name and they basically said "PI** OFF" lol

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

BTW I will call them the "Washington Wuss" for caving. The Packers were pressured into changing their name and they basically said "PI** OFF" lol

I missed it, when were the Packers pressured into changing their names?  

18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

PPR isn't YPC lol. Let's just say they were more effective with Reed and their RB tandems and they never seemed to get those back in place

They were more effective when they didn't have Haskins.  

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Again, You ever listen to Jason Avant on the radio.  Everything is always so great.

I only have heard Avant on two pods, and I thought he gave some good inside info, and it matched what I saw on tape. He was critical of JJAW (limited athlete, perhaps only a slot wr), Fulgham (needed to mature) and Hightower (afraid of contact), while giving good info on Watkins (got better due to being pushed by Slay) and Reagor (has an alpha personality, wants to be the best.) I think this is a pretty good summary of our young guys, and certainly isn't overly optimistic.

Darby is hardly a top corner,

He had a 76 pff grade after registering a 45 with us in 2019. He actually graded out pretty well the previous seasons, so it was a one year decline. But he is clearly a pretty good corner who looked really bad in 2019.

let's relax on this idea of exactly where you are going that everything was Doug, Schwartz and Wentz fault, yet they get no credit for anything good. They simply all forgot everything last year?

I would have been fine with any of them coming back. I think Doug is a good coach. Schwartz was fine. Our defense played well under him, but I do think his scheme was somewhat outdated. As far as Wentz, I think he is a really good qb with well known issues who will probably do pretty well in Indy. Our season was derailed by injuries. Obviously Doug, Schwartz, Wentz and Roseman could have done better, and Roseman deserves a fair amount of criticism.  And if they had fired Roseman, it would have been fine with me.

I don't predict the team to have as bad a record as last year.  The older guys will make it close to 8 wins.  I'm looking at it from the eye test, and where they are in relation to other teams.   You take a lot for granted and use stats of everything except for how these teams finished the year. 

They were all bunched at the end of the year. But going into next year, I think us and Dallas have much more potential to improve than WFT or the Giants. The Giants will lose several key players and have no money in free agency. WFT doesn't have a qb. I don't see any solution to those issues. 

 Who will play QB for Washington?  Idk, can it get worse than last year's start for them when they were trying to force Haskins?   Is it coincidence they improved once he stopped playing?   But again, you bring up looking at their history...who cares,  it's a new group in charge now.

With NY, their weapons stink other that the one WR and the TE if he decides to catch the ball.   You can see the QB making some excellent throws.  And turnovers and bad decisions cut way down second half of the season.   A lot of times in the league,  the improvement takes a huge step DURING the season. We saw it with these 2 teams last year.  We can deny if we like, but there is no doubt it's there.  They both have a much better starting point going forward than we do, and considering the level of talent that will be leaving the team in the next few seasons, we will have even more work to catch up.

Our team has more growing pains to go through,  those 2 already went through a bunch and are on to the next level of development.   It's just reality, regardless of how many articles you find to spin things.

What level of development is WFT going to get to without a QB? Either they are going to have to sell their entire future for one or they will have to get lucky. They are in that great position of being good enough to avoid a really high draft pick, and not good enough to win consistently. Ironically, it's the exact position we are afraid of being in by playing Hurts.

As far as the Giants, we will see how things go for them. They are already cutting guys they can't afford to cut. And no one but them thought Daniel Jones was very good. A lot of scouting services had him behind Lock and Haskins, and we have seen how they have worked out. If they missed on him, they are in deep trouble.

As far as next season, I am more confident that they both finish behind Dallas than I am of either of them winning the division. 

 

So Mahomes got his money and they had to lose the O line lol

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I missed it, when were the Packers pressured into changing their names?  

When they said "pound salt" thats when they started on Washington lol

I was watching some NCAA Bball games.

They run up and down the court together but when they go to the bench they have to wear a mask and they have their chair is 6' apart.

Is the NCAA that dumb or do they think we are?

WFT could sign like Tyrod Taylor or Brissett while they figure out how to build their roster, or we could sign someone like Mariota as a BACK-UP fairly cheap. I think we go that route and keep the 6 pick for something/someone else. It seems they will have the cap to sign a few since they don't feel the need to re-do Lane. I agree with Joe though,they missed the Ertz trade, now noone will give squat for him.So it seems to me the top 2 options here are 1)Keep Ertz and basically give up Pitts 2) release Ertz and pick up Pitts. I would do the latter,but then again,this is the Eagles org lol

4 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I was watching some NCAA Bball games.

Theu run up and down tha coute together but when they go to the bench they have to wear a mask and they have their charis 6' apart.

Is the NCAA that dumb or do they think we are?

yes, both

11 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

6 wins 7 wins we can win the NFC Least next year yes I think our division is terrible all around. Yes I can see us winning 3-4 games against East opponents even splits down the board. 

Not debating here brother. I value your opinion. But I see NY winning division at 10-6, WFT 9-7, Dullass at .500 and the Beagles bringing up the caboose at 7-9. IF we have good drafts this season and in '22 then I see us being division competitors in '22. Our 7-9 is hopeful thinking for me after reading some valid points on here by members that feel the Eagles won't be as bad as some are making them out to be. 

5 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

I was watching some NCAA Bball games.

They run up and down the court together but when they go to the bench they have to wear a mask and they have their chair is 6' apart.

Is the NCAA that dumb or do they think we are?

 

7 hours ago, jsb235 said:

 

Avant is on the radio locally on a constant basis.  He spews the company line ... all positive all the time. The criticisms you can tell are calculated,  like coming right from the top.

Darby had a good PFF grade, who was he covering? You know how they grade each play,  1, 0 or -1.  I don't put much stock in it.  

Yeah the teams were bunched at the end, but 2 teams had winning records the 2nd half.   I think they will stay ahead ,unless Dallas takes a leap. 

As far as Washington QB situation as compared to Hurts.  1.  They can't get worse than last year at QB, Haskins was awful,  Smith couldn't move at the end. They don't have one now, are they going to play with 10 on offense? You make it seem that way?   2. I am absolutely not afraid of Hurts leading us to be good enough to avoid picking a QB.   Neither should any fan of any team that doesn't make the playoffs.  

If our division stinks like everyone says.   One team will win it and pick 19, the others will be picking earlier.  And we see how the market might change as far as free agency or trades at the QB position.  I don't think it always needs to be the draft.  Rivera is popular,  he is the face now,  not the owner.  

You like to look at individual players and grades.  I think you miss some things about how units play and play together.   The Bills OL is a great example.  Nobody had them any good coming into this year. They took their lumps together the last few years,  not sure they have any individual that stands out in your PFF rankings,  but as a unit they played really well.   I think as far as the Giants are concerned, you add a weapon and the RB with the OL having gelled together some and the QB showing some nice play when he has time, we could easily see big improvement. 

What I don't like about our situation,  we have guys on their way out taking up spots that could be given to guys that could be developing chemistry together.     You take a guy like Herbig,  what happens to him this year?  Wouldn't he be better off knowing he is a starter and who he is playing next to?  Same with Driscoll.    Is Sweat always just a backup pass rusher?  What does that do for them going into 2022 after momentum they had in 2020?   This is where I see these other teams having the edge.  There are no old guys taking up spots. The younger guys for them worked together and they improved together and will keep playing together.  It creates faster improvement.  Especially heading into year 2 of their coaches.  

You say the Giants got lucky a lot or had things go their way?  They had fluke penalties on 3 TD plays vs Dallas the first game and Engram dropped a pillow of a pass from Jones that would have iced the game.  Those things get cleaned up as teams get experience and progress within a system.  These teams have legit first step to build from, we are taking that first step with a lot of inexperienced players and coaches.  A lot has to go our way to pass those teams.

What I was venting about earlier

30 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What I was venting about earlier

These guys are killing the goose that laid the golden egg.