I'll take a rook like Mills at 189 and grab a UDFA and use the 4-5 mil you want to spend on a BU who the fans "dont want playing" on a lineman or something else we need since we're not going anywhere this year(as you said). But I'm sure we''ll get a vet BU because you know "it's always been done that way"

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

 

Then why are you paying them????

Because it's professional sports ...they get paid.  

I think we just don't agree on the money.  I'm thinking we can get one for like 2-3 million... which vs the cap may cost less when taking everything into consideration.   The rookie may have lower salary, but could come with the investment of a late round pick and the guaranteed signing bonus.   To me... get the cheap vet and the UDFA rookie.  All about Hurts this year... maybe even 2 years as we build the roster.  Then we can draft one if needed ... but at np point do I want to win games with the vet and lower our draft position. The vet is good for mentoring Hurts and the rest of the guys, while running the same style offense.   No controversy.  Because no investment.   The draft pick. People will want to see play if Hurts doesn't do well... zero shot with a vet in this particular year.  

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Because it's professional sports ...they get paid.  

I think we just don't agree on the money.  I'm thinking we can get one for like 2-3 million... which vs the cap may cost less when taking everything into consideration.   The rookie may have lower salary, but could come with the investment of a late round pick and the guaranteed signing bonus.   To me... get the cheap vet and the UDFA rookie.  All about Hurts this year... maybe even 2 years as we build the roster.  Then we can draft one if needed ... but at np point do I want to win games with the vet and lower our draft position. The vet is good for mentoring Hurts and the rest of the guys, while running the same style offense.   No controversy.  Because no investment.   The draft pick. People will want to see play if Hurts doesn't do well... zero shot with a vet in this particular year.  

OK if that's the case, that would make some sense.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'll take a rook like Mills at 189 and grab a UDFA and use the 4-5 mil you want to spend on a BU who the fans "dont want playing" on a lineman or something else we need since we're not going wnyehere this year(as you said). But I'm sure we''l get a vet BU because you know "it's always been done that way"

Because you don't see the value of what the vet can bring to Hurts.  And you expect to pay a ton of money.   What are you going to get for $3 million that we need elsewhere.   Where we wouldn't already do it for long term. The QB is a one year deal, they can spread it out in dummy years like with Foles to make it league minimum if they want.  

I just think you are getting carried away with the $$ part...and not getting that it would have to be cheap. 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK if that's the case, that would make some sense.

You think?  I've been saying this for a while.... lol.   

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Because you don't see the value of what the vet can bring to Hurts.  And you expect to pay a ton of money.   What are you going to get for $3 million that we need elsewhere.   Where we wouldn't already do it for long term. The QB is a one year deal, they can spread it out in dummy years like with Foles to make it league minimum if they want.  

I just think you are getting carried away with the $$ part...and not getting that it would have to be cheap. 

You think?  I've been saying this for a while.... lol.   

Well my way also makes sense, but you noted what else it would be besides loot, so I understand your view more now

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right, thats what I'm saying.It will be a rerun of the last year when we left Wentz in for 10 disastrous weeks if Hurts is bad. At some point the fans will want your "vet" BU in. Is that week 2 or week 12? I dont have the answer to that. If you're giving Hurts "all of 2021" why are you paying a BU when we need other positions filled? If Hurts is THAT bad,how much worse can a rook you draft be???

Well let's all hope Hurts isn't that bad haha!  And you know the old saying, if you start listening to the fans you'll be sitting with them soon (or something along those lines).  I'd like to think the coaches will do what they feel is in the best interest of the team and not cave in to the demands of the fans.  You need a backup at QB (just like every other position) ... what if he gets hurt?  A QB that has been around the league for some time could be a valuable mentor to a young player.  Daniel was that to Wentz.  Pederson was that to McNabb.  The process to becoming relevant again is likely going to take 2-3 years ... during that time it is best to get a better idea of whether or not the players here now fit into the new schemes and identify where talent is needed.  

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK if that's the case, that would make some sense.

Quick question. 

Hurts stinks .... the team stinks... 

We have your guy at 189.... do you want to see 189 go in?

Same question, but instead of 189... we have Brisset.   

Which situation would make you want to see the backup more? 

4 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Well let's all hope Hurts isn't that bad haha!  And you know the old saying, if you start listening to the fans you'll be sitting with them soon (or something along those lines).  I'd like to think the coaches will do what they feel is in the best interest of the team and not cave in to the demands of the fans.  You need a backup at QB (just like every other position) ... what if he gets hurt?  A QB that has been around the league for some time could be a valuable mentor to a young player.  Daniel was that to Wentz.  Pederson was that to McNabb.  The process to becoming relevant again is likely going to take 2-3 years ... during that time it is best to get a better idea of whether or not the players here now fit into the new schemes and identify where talent is needed.  

He has 3.5 games in. If we don't let him make his mistakes he's not going to get better riding pine is all I'm saying

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Quick question. 

Hurts stinks .... the team stinks... 

We have your guy at 189.... do you want to see 189 go in?

Same question, but instead of 189... we have Brisset.   

Which situation would make you want to see the backup more? 

If the team stinks it's doesn't matter(to me) either way

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He has 3.5 games in. If we don't let him make his mistakes he's not going to get better riding pine is all I'm saying

No doubt.  I think most are saying the same?  

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

No doubt.  I think most are saying the same?  

Well most want a "vet" BU and I would rather have more rooks in here since we have zero clue what we have going on. The vet may give you some "peace of mind" but then you are denying a rook with upside(potentially),so it just depends how you view it all.Since we aren't going anywhere I would opt for giving a rook a chance rather than a vet who is a proven #2. Just my view and I guess I am alone lol

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He has 3.5 games in. If we don't let him make his mistakes he's not going to get better riding pine is all I'm saying

If the team stink it's doesn't matter either way

... come on answr the question.   You know you would want to see pick 189 come in and so might other fans.   

Nobody cares about Brissett or Taylor coming in to play. 

Therefore... getting the vet is the best way to avoid the controversy.   Because if Hurts is not the guy... losing games helps get the next guy.  The vet is not the next guy...but if we draft a guy, we will think he may be the guy.  

My point the whole time. Plus the fact a vet can actually help Hurts.  

Comes down to the $$ and how they do the contract.  If we have to pay 7 mil...then Howie will use a 5 year prorated signing bonus to minimize the cap hit to basically just over vet minimum.  No way do they do it for any significant cap hit.  $2 mil range. 

4 minutes ago, time2rock said:

No doubt.  I think most are saying the same?  

Seems obvious we all are.  Unless anyone really wants to see Brissett or Taylor long term. Lol

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

we will think he may be the guy.

SO what if he IS the guy? If you don't draft him you'd never know lol.  Dak worked out OK as a round 4 pick. Instead, you want to settle for a guy who ceiling is #2 and I'm ready to get off that train of doing the same things over and over

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well most want a "vet" BU and I would rather have more rooks in here since we have zero clue what we have going on. The vet may give you some "peace of mind" but then you are denying a rook with upside(potentially),so it just depends how you view it all.Since we aren't going anywhere I would opt for giving a rook a chance rather than a vet who is a proven #2. Just my view and I guess I am alone lol

Yes....Hurts is the only rookie that should get the chance.  Bringing in another one would cause more controversy... and you get it because you just admitted you would prefer seeing pick 189 get to play than the vet.   It's why the vet eliminates controversy.  

Yet the rookie is looking out for himself...but the vet will want to help Hurts.    

QB factory,by signing #2's. Yeah thats a plan lol

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Yes....Hurts is the only rookie that should get the chance.  Bringing in another one would cause more controversy... and you get it because you just admitted you would prefer seeing pick 189 get to play than the vet.   It's why the vet eliminates controversy.  

Yet the rookie is looking out for himself...but the vet will want to help Hurts.    

Maybe, IDK if Bris could start someplace or not.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes....Hurts is the only rookie that should get the chance.  Bringing in another one would cause more controversy... and you get it because you just admitted you would prefer seeing pick 189 get to play than the vet.   It's why the vet eliminates controversy.  

Yet the rookie is looking out for himself...but the vet will want to help Hurts.    

Hurts came in and sat,other than a few sporadic plays. Any rook signed would be like Hurts, no controversy unless Hurts went out(which again is no controversy)

It seems like a lot of people are hung up on who will be the QB2. It doesn't really matter. I don't know why people would be upset with signing Chase when in reality there's not much difference between him, Brissett and Taylor. Taylor is the only one who has done anything, and I think he will be out of our price range.

The plan is either roll with Hurts this year and draft a qb next year if it doesn't work out, or draft a qb this year. I don't think there is any Eagles playbook where "Jacoby Brissett is the long-term solution" is included.

They need a competent backup. It's going to be someone. Personally I would bring back Sudfeld on a minimum deal and be done with it. But if not him, ChaseJacobyTyrod is fine with me, as long as he is cheap.  

Yep, if me……Suds is my BU for this season. 

41 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well most want a "vet" BU and I would rather have more rooks in here since we have zero clue what we have going on. The vet may give you some "peace of mind" but then you are denying a rook with upside(potentially),so it just depends how you view it all.Since we aren't going anywhere I would opt for giving a rook a chance rather than a vet who is a proven #2. Just my view and I guess I am alone lol

To me the benefit of having a vet is more his presence, serving as a mentor to Hurts and another young QB (not so much as expecting him to play should Hurts struggle).  I think you take your lumps in 2021 with Hurts.  If he completely craps the bed then go get your QB next April but you don’t throw the band aid vet in there because your trying to salvage a season that isn’t going anywhere anyway regardless.  

45 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SO what if he IS the guy? If you don't draft him you'd never know lol.  Dak worked out OK as a round 4 pick. Instead, you want to settle for a guy who ceiling is #2 and I'm ready to get off that train of doing the same things over and over

No.... I'm going all in with Hurts.   The vet brings ZERO controversy because there is no doubt he is NOT the guy.  

Pick 189 brings more controversy.  So I don't want that guy to even be thought of to be put in the game.  I want no maybe .....except for Hurts.  Maybe Hurts is the guy, ALL In with that as the only Maybe... so zero controversy. And plus the vet to help mentor makes it for less excuses for him.  I want Hurts 100% to be catered too in 2021. Do everything for only him.  This way if he fails... it's obvious to EVERYONE....even the guys searching long and hard for any spin whatsoever that makes him seem any good.  

10 minutes ago, time2rock said:

To me the benefit of having a vet is more his presence, serving as a mentor to Hurts and another young QB (not so much as expecting him to play should Hurts struggle).  I think you take your lumps in 2021 with Hurts.  If he completely craps the bed then go get your QB next April but you don’t throw the band aid vet in there because your trying to salvage a season that isn’t going anywhere anyway regardless.  

I understand it ,but isn't that what coaches are for? To mentor? We're already paying those people. IDK, I just think outside the box rather than the same old failed policies

50 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Maybe, IDK if Bris could start someplace or not.

Correct....it's why I said he would come here cheap and after no legit other offer.   If he gets a better offer then let him go.  It needs to fall in our lap. Which in this particular year, it could due to lower cap. 

51 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts came in and sat,other than a few sporadic plays. Any rook signed would be like Hurts, no controversy unless Hurts went out(which again is no controversy)

Always a controversy if a new guy is an option to be put in.   The unknown is intriguing.  

I would be with you 100% in any other year. But after making the move with Wentz.... you better give Hurts 105% of the attention.   

I'm all about Hurts... or going 0-16.   If he is not the guy, let him lose for us.  The vet IMO, is just a guy that could help him.  I want him to have that.  I want the alley oop pass..so he only has to dunk it.  I don't want to leave JBS and Ham any doubt that Hurts is a college gimmick QB.   And if I am wrong, then let the vet help him prove me wrong. At pick 189 , give me a blocking TE or a special teams player.  I draft a QB next year late if Hurts is the guy.  So we would have the backup a year longer.  It fits my timeline better after thinking the team takes a dip after all the vet linemen leave. 

29 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Yep, if me……Suds is my BU for this season. 

He stinks. After 5 years he couldn't work his way up to #2. No thanks

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Always a controversy if a new guy is an option to be put in.   The unknown is intriguing.  

I would be with you 100% in any other year. But after making the move with Wentz.... you better give Hurts 105% of the attention.   

I'm all about Hurts... or going 0-16.   If he is not the guy, let him lose for us.  The vet IMO, is just a guy that could help him.  I want him to have that.  I want the alley oop pass..so he only has to dunk it.  I don't want to leave JBS and Ham any doubt that Hurts is a college gimmick QB.   And if I am wrong, then let the vet help him prove me wrong. At pick 189 , give me a blocking TE or a special teams player.  I draft a QB next year late if Hurts is the guy.  So we would have the backup a year longer.  It fits my timeline better after thinking the team takes a dip after all the vet linemen leave. 

I dont think a round 5 would bring controversy at all. You pretty much understand he will sit a year like Hurts did unless Hurts goes out for the year to injury.At the end of the season,you can make your call,keep both as your #2,#3 and go ahead and take your top QB pick next year in you find out Hurts is not the guy. At least you have 3 QB's all on rook contracts and that makes alot of loot to spend on upgrades. I suppose it would depend on how fast the round 5 QB caught on,(if he ever does). SO obviously I have a different view because for me it's been the same FAILED routine over and over and everyone just wants to do it all again