Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Then why did we let the top 2 we could have had go elsewhere???? Whomever we get now will be a bottom dweller, I would rather draft one and get a UDFA young guy who can grow with the team as we rebuild it

That great with what you would rather do I’m just looking at it as unbias as possible and reality is we will. Sign a vet at some point who idk 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Dude, I'm not worried about next year.   How are we going to win next year when all the better players are even a year older?    This is probably the fundamental thing we disagree on... I think it's a long-term rebuild. Years... not year. 

The goal is to improve every year right? It's not like we build up for 4 years,then flip a switch and win

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

That great with what you would rather do I’m just looking at it as unbias as possible and reality is we will. Sign a vet at some point who idk 

Yeah rinse and repeat,same mistakes as usual lol. I'm sure we'll sign a vet also because that coveted "vet presence" is a must have on Howies list of failures

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah rinse and repeat,same mistakes as usual lol. I'm sure we'll sign a vet also because that coveted "vet presence" is a must have on Howies list of failures

Yup and literally every other team in the nfl lol 

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SO if Lance was there in round 6 you would pass on him and I wouldn't I'm not worried about this year,I am planning to have players that can win the following year. Maybe that's Hurts or maybe it 's someone else,but I will never know if I dont draft him

So I'm confused?   You want to pass on a guy who is BPA at 6.... if it's a QB.   But that guy will be there later?    Same logic that " we will never know if we don't draft him"  that works with pick # 6 and round 6.   

So why pass up on a guy that could start, but think it's necessary to find a #2 ?    

I think you want a young QB, just as long as it doesn't interfere with getting Kyle Pitts.  

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Yup and literally every other team in the nfl lol 

That's a fine plan if you have an established QB who has some years in(you know like we had with Wentz when we drafted Hurts), but we have no clue what we even have in Hurts,so maybe it's time for a different plan?

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So I'm confused?   You want to pass on a guy who is BPA at 6.... if it's a QB.   But that guy will be there later?    Same logic that " we will never know if we don't draft him"  that works with pick # 6 and round 6.   

So why pass up on a guy that could start, but think it's necessary to find a #2 ?    

I think you want a young QB, just as long as it doesn't interfere with getting Kyle Pitts.  

No Joe you said you wouldn't tae a QB in round 6 because you wanted to build up other positions,so if Lance was there in 6,you would pass on him and I would not. Now if you say you would take him because he is the BPA there,then all we are arguing about is the "apparent" skill level of said round 6 QB

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The goal is to improve every year right? It's not like we build up for 4 years,then flip a switch and win

So your team stinks... finding a # 2 backup QB.. at this stage,  is it more important than finding a possible starter or backup or ST player...a guy that would actually see snaps during games?   

Again,  for me, I don't need Nick Foles until my team is good enough to win with the starter first.     We are nowhere near there.  

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So your team stinks... finding a # 2 backup QB.. at this stage,  is it more important than finding a possible starter or backup or ST player...a guy that would actually see snaps during games?   

Again,  for me, I don't need Nick Foles until my team is good enough to win with the starter first.     We are nowhere near there.  

We drafted Hurts,didn't he see 'snaps in games" when we had Wentz?

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No Joe you said you wouldn't tae a QB in round 6 because you wanted to build up other positions,so if Lance was there in 6,you would pass on him and I would not. Now if you say you would take him because he is the BPA there,then all we are arguing about is the "apparent" skill level of said round 6 QB

Right but your example is ridiculous because a guy ranked that high is  not going to drop to round 6.  You know that.    I'll take Kyke Pitts in the 4th round if he is there.  

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

We drafted Hurts,didn't he see 'snaps in games" when we had Wentz?

How did that work out? Controversy,  the thing I want to avoid, but you don't seem to? 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Right but your example is ridiculous because a guy ranked that high is  not going to drop to round 6.  You know that.    I'll take Kyke Pitts in the 4th round if he is there.  

As I stated it was an EXTREME example just to show you. SO as I also said,NOW we are simply arguing over the skill level of that round 6 QB yes??

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right but your example is ridiculous because a guy ranked that high is  not going to drop to round 6.  You know that.    I'll take Kyke Pitts in the 4th round if he is there.  

How did that work out? Controversy,  the thing I want to avoid, but you don't seem to? 

If Wentz had kicked ass there would be no controversy?? And Wentz would probably still be here with Hurts as the BU

Jeff McLane

 

@Jeff_McLane

 

Nick Sirianni, when asked about #Eagles' WR situation, gets animated talking about existing options on roster and how he liked those guys during draft.
 

Group currently includes Jalen Reagor, J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, John Hightower, Quez Watkins, Travis Fulgham, and Greg Ward.

If Siri is the WR  whisperer like is being talk like he is we have a lot of raw talent at WR that just needs to be maximized 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Jeff McLane

 

@Jeff_McLane

 

Nick Sirianni, when asked about #Eagles' WR situation, gets animated talking about existing options on roster and how he liked those guys during draft.
 

Group currently includes Jalen Reagor, J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, John Hightower, Quez Watkins, Travis Fulgham, and Greg Ward.

If Siri is the WR  whisperer like is being talk like he is we have a lot of raw talent at WR that just needs to be maximized 

I agree, this is why for me there is no rush to add a top WR. This class is REALLY DEEP. I have one in round 3. We don't need a star we just need "solid" for now. As Stine said though, even if Pitts is gone(maybe to ATL if they stay at 4) we have a choice of 3 super nice WR's at 6. We never really got to see what Reagor can do(nor anyone else really). Chase,Smith or Waddle would be a nice "consolation" prize IMO 

So what do you all think about Watson? Will he move on or will Houston hold him to his contract as a disgruntled player?

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If Pitts is gone I could also see us taking the TOP RB at 6, or a D lineman. It will be interesting to see what they value at 6. Impact players at almost all positions at 6. It will be hard for Howie to mess up that pick

I can 10000000% guarantee we will not take a RB in the top 10. DL or OL could be highly possible 

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So what do you all think about Watson? Will he move on or will Houston hold him to his contract as a disgruntled player?

Think they are preparing to move him why they signed Tyrod. Now it’s just getting the right deal 

10 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I can 10000000% guarantee we will not take a RB in the top 10. DL or OL could be highly possible 

Agree a RB is a reach,but with Howie at the helm who knows?

8 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Think they are preparing to move him why they signed Tyrod. Now it’s just getting the right deal 

Yeah, that may impact the draft depending where he ends up

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I can 10000000% guarantee we will not take a RB in the top 10. DL or OL could be highly possible 

IDK, looking at the composite BB, other than Sewell, there are no other top linemen in the top 10. After Sewell and Pitts,it's all QB' WR"s and CB's

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2021/consensus-big-board-2021  FWIW

4 hours ago, stine said:

Trust me, Rodgers has no say what happens in GB. Yes, he probably wanted McCarthy out of GB. In fact he probably wanted him out for years before it actually happened. But he was not the motivating factor. I know this for certain. My Wife's friend knows more about what goes on in GB than most Sports analysts do. He goes to all of the GB Team events and talks to the President all the time. You think Rodgers wanted GB to draft a QB in Rd 1 last year? He was pissed. Did he demand a trade? Nope, he preceded to have a MVP season. That is the type of reaction you would want out of your team leader. So exactly what did Houston do after Watson signed the contract on Sept. 5th 2020? Oh they fired their HC/GM. They hired a GM from the Patriots org. and a HC from the Ravens Org. Not exactly what I would call bad moves. But yet he demands a trade because of what? Something that happened before he signed on the dotted line?

He definitely didn’t want them to draft a QB. I think we could all probably agree them drafting a QB probably cost them that SB. They were definitely that close. I also believe around all the NFL circles they expected Rodgers to demand a trade because of it. The rumors were all there. But real life intervened. I know most here think that home life shouldn’t interfere with work. But in Rodgers case it absolutely did. In a good way. He decided to get married to Shaleen Woodley. That’s probably the main factor of why he didn’t want to cause a stink this offseason. He had other more important things to tend to. Because yes...football players are people too...even ones with crazy money like ARod marrying a movie star.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I also saw on FB the teams "THANK You" to Alshon. Did he pay the money back??? I would thank him and Djax both after they did that. If not, you're a millionaire and I don't feel sorry for you and they should be thanking the teams that made them so.not the other way around. But I suppose we need to play nice, so we can bring them back when they turn 40 for that coveted "vet presence"

Alshon helped us win our only SB! He11 yeah! Thank you Jeffrey!

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK I got you on the punter, but usually thats a rare occurrence as is a LS. Even kickers last awhile(usually). So in my view I get a decent BU this year,so hopefully I dont have to do it next year and the guy has a year into the rebuild,because for me that is the most important position on the field

Why do we need to do it in any year... until the team is good enough to win anything?  

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

As I stated it was an EXTREME example just to show you. SO as I also said,NOW we are simply arguing over the skill level of that round 6 QB yes??

No.... we are discussing the priority of finding a backup QB at the beginning stage of a rebuild.   Let's say you find your backup here this year... yet we don't find our starter for another 3 or 4 years....and in the meantime,  the rest of the team is still getting there.   What is the point of having a good backup QB?   We had that for years after 2004... Garcia,  Kolb, Vick, Foles... all good or decent backups.   The team wasn't good enough and neither was the starter.   Imagine that investment into other positions, saving the picks for Kolb and Foles... using it to build the team instead.  

The ONLY reason to draft a QB this year is for potential to be the #1.   Not to get #2 on the roster for the next 4 years.  4 years of not even knowing if a good starter makes a difference. 

19 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He definitely didn’t want them to draft a QB. I think we could all probably agree them drafting a QB probably cost them that SB. They were definitely that close. I also believe around all the NFL circles they expected Rodgers to demand a trade because of it. The rumors were all there. But real life intervened. I know most here think that home life shouldn’t interfere with work. But in Rodgers case it absolutely did. In a good way. He decided to get married to Shaleen Woodley. That’s probably the main factor of why he didn’t want to cause a stink this offseason. He had other more important things to tend to. Because yes...football players are people too...even ones with crazy money like ARod marrying a movie star.

  Rodgers was not even close to demanding a trade!  Where did you hear that? LOL Trust me, I hear more about the truth than anywhere you read about GB players. My wife's Friend tells her everything that is going on. He lives next to Donald Driver in Green Bay and sees Mark Murphy allot at the Golf Course there. Does he know everything? Not even close, but he knows allot of stuff we never hear about. He did not like the Hiring of the HC but quickly did an about face. They get along great now. Better than most think. Rodgers has freedom to change any play in the huddle based on his reads. I remember watching one game and he looked at Scantling and pointed up the field. The threw a perfect ball down the seam for a TD.