2 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

You think he’s pretty good? Ok. Based on what? I don’t mean it as a derogatory question. I mean it as a real question.  I legitimately want to read why you think Hurts is pretty good.

I think we have pretty much seen what he is..... an inaccurate passing, good athlete that plays QB.  Unless he has an EXCEPTIONAL defense to carry the team, he will be an average to below average QB in terms of stats and team record....nothing inspiring at all.

I think he makes quick decisions. He’s a good leader. Smart. Works hard. Super athletic. Fast. He threw for 340 yards in two of his three starts. The other being against one of the top defenses....in victory. He improved every year in college. Showing how coachable he is.  Played the biggest of college football. Would have won the Heisman if not for Burrow breaking every record.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Just a note. He lost his job in Alabama to TUA, so he transferred to Oklahoma so he could play. If he wasn't good enough to hold off TUA, then how good could he be? Not judging, players can get better,just sayin'...................

Tua was fantastic in college. Hurts was also.

I don’t think Hurts is real inaccurate. He can improve. But what QB couldn’t after three games?

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think he makes quick decisions. He’s a good leader. Smart. Works hard. Super athletic. Fast. He threw for 340 yards in two of his three starts. The other being against one of the top defenses....in victory. He improved every year in college. Showing how coachable he is.  Played the biggest of college football. Would have won the Heisman if not for Burrow breaking every record.

Tua was fantastic in college. Hurts was also.

Except in the pro's you can't transfer if you get beat out

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think he makes quick decisions.

I read this was his main knock, or one of his biggest. That he looks at his first target, 1 read, then takes off. He needs to learn to go through progressions, which I'm sure he can get better at. I'm all for giving him his shot. Looking to win 7 games this year. If that happens, I would consider that a 'win" for us. As I keep saying,even in the losses,I want to see solid consistent effort. If we play as well as we can and get beat by a better team,you won;t hear a word from me  

He threw for a ton of yards in college. Just because our Oline stunk he had to run for his life....more than a few times. The better we block....the more he can pocket pass. 340 yards passing in your second and third start is impressive. His completion percentage has to improve. But I think that comes with the receiving weapons improving also. Not all on the QB. 

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Except in the pro's you can't transfer if you get beat out

What did Wentz just do?

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He threw for a ton of yards in college. Just because our Oline stunk he had to run for his life....more than a few times. The better we block....the more he can pocket pass. 340 yards passing in your second and third start is impressive. His completion percentage has to improve. But I think that comes with the receiving weapons improving also. Not all on the QB. 

What did Wentz just do?

Got booted by our FO, after they booted the coach and 1/2 the staff and FAILED to surround him with the needed talent

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah....it seemed like his head wasn’t in it to say the least. It’s possible he was actually trying to sabotage force a trade early on. That is a legitimate strategy to force your way out. Other things going on wouldn’t have been as bad if our top receiving weapon didn’t completely tank. That hurt the offense more than any other single factor probably.

I thought the same from Doug.   Didn't seem to adjust to anything.   Both QBs had to play " hero ball"  for anything to happen.     Not the same aggressiveness on 4th downs... lot of stuff seemed off left year.   Could easily be initiated by the owner and GM taking over too much control.  Rumor was both Doug and Wentz wanted Fulgham up on the roster right away.  For sure seemed like the main issue was not letting the coach do his thing... and everything downhill from there.  You see the coach and the TE have those issues... Jenkins being let go after being promised to have his contract addressed...etc.  All the injuries and not being able to get into any rhythm from a stable roster... sure seems like a lot of people were mailing it in last year.   

It's why I have no issues with anyone looking to bail from this dumpster fire.  Let Lurie and Howie get exactly what they want and see the success or failure.  No more Doug, Schwartz or Wentz to blame now. My only thing is that I am not in love with the hand the new staff was dealt.  Absolutely the worst to start an era that I've seen.  Basically the same core that Doug had, only 5 years older.

Sun 1/3	vsWSH	L 20-14	7	20	72	35.0	3.6	0	1	30	1	25.4	42.5	8	34	4.3	2	9
Sun 12/27	@DAL	L 37-17	21	39	342	53.8	8.8	1	2	81	3	70.7	19.4

Last 2 games Ham QBR of 19,42. let's not call him Superman yet ok? Your 342 yard game included 2 picks,so what good are yards with 2 picks?

7 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Wilson is crap. He had a 53 rating by pff last year, missed 12 percent of his tackles and produced only 10 pressures on 75 blitz attempts. He is okay in coverage, which is why a lot of people are high on him, but if you think he is an upgrade over what we have, be prepared to be screaming at your TV a lot next September if we sign him.  

Yeah... that is going to be really high on the list of reasons to scream at the TV while watching this team. 

Last game, the tank game- 7/20 for 72 yards. Even I might come close to that

6 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It would definitely split the fan base if it is just Hurts and Foles that is for sure. 

They would be arguing who was worse halfway through the season.

 

19 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Got booted by our FO, after they booted the coach and 1/2 the staff and FAILED to surround him with the needed talent

Basically got beat out by the other guy and transferred 

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To me the whole time they have been talking about trading for Foles...even back with the Wentz trade to the Bears...it just sounds like disaster. Foles is a great guy that can handle the situation of competing. Hurts can also. I personally want to see what Hurts can do. I think he’s pretty good. 

I am under the impression that it's understood Foles is a backup.   I think it's understood by everyone on the planet except a blind portion of our fan base.  None of these guys on offense have any misconception of Foles... they are all in for Hurts.    I also don't think he hurts his legacy here at all.   He had the stars align for him in 2017 and he did well at the right time.  Nothing changes if he has to go in due to an injury to Hurts and does his normal thing, no expectations with this roster.

My only negative would be the contrast in styles.. I think it's better to keep things consistent for the other guys and just get another running QB.  This way they can practice all the same stuff from day 1 of OTA to the last practices in December/ January. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IMO he's not a franchise QB. He will be "average"- "above average" and that's all we need right now. We're not playoff bound, we are rebuilding. SO let him be average while we build the team up and I also won't say this to be mean, but he is "expendable" at this point. I want to get this team to the point everyone says "Good team, all they need is a QB now". What I REALLY want to find out is if the offense has "shifted" into more of a running RPO QB style(Hurts), or if we will stick with the pocket passer type (Like Wentz is/was). I think we go all in on Hurts and see if we can raise his level of mediocrity. I personally prefer pocket passers.  I'm with Joe though,we need whatever type QB we settle on and have those same types as our #2 and #3 and not mix them up. If the BU needs to come in,I don;t want to have to change the offensive philosophy. If we are going with the running QB style,then as DC said I could see us making a play for Wilson next year, and really Hurts has that same/similar style, so there is your future #2 BU

With you except for the idea that you can move Hurts to #2 ....you have to move on from him if he doesn't prove to be a starter level guy.  He needs a chance elsewhere, then if he fails...he can come back as a backup.  Like Foles.  I'm not a fan of getting Wilson either, not at this stage.

My mindset is 2023 draft.  2 years of good drafting and a good 2022 free agent period.. then you go get your QB in 2023.  If done correctly,  you could have a decent team around a young QB in 2024-2025.   

39 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I read this was his main knock, or one of his biggest. That he looks at his first target, 1 read, then takes off. He needs to learn to go through progressions, which I'm sure he can get better at. I'm all for giving him his shot. Looking to win 7 games this year. If that happens, I would consider that a 'win" for us. As I keep saying,even in the losses,I want to see solid consistent effort. If we play as well as we can and get beat by a better team,you won;t hear a word from me  

7 games is absolutely doable this year if the older vets stay healthy.  The year or two after that will be the true test as these players retire, leave or start to fade. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I am under the impression that it's understood Foles is a backup.   I think it's understood by everyone on the planet except a blind portion of our fan base.  None of these guys on offense have any misconception of Foles... they are all in for Hurts.    I also don't think he hurts his legacy here at all.   He had the stars align for him in 2017 and he did well at the right time.  Nothing changes if he has to go in due to an injury to Hurts and does his normal thing, no expectations with this roster.

My only negative would be the contrast in styles.. I think it's better to keep things consistent for the other guys and just get another running QB.  This way they can practice all the same stuff from day 1 of OTA to the last practices in December/ January. 

Of coarse....once again....we completely disagree

55 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

7 games is absolutely doable this year if the older vets stay healthy.  The year or two after that will be the true test as these players retire, leave or start to fade. 

If Hurts is legit

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

With you except for the idea that you can move Hurts to #2 ....you have to move on from him if he doesn't prove to be a starter level guy.  He needs a chance elsewhere, then if he fails...he can come back as a backup.  Like Foles.  I'm not a fan of getting Wilson either, not at this stage.

My mindset is 2023 draft.  2 years of good drafting and a good 2022 free agent period.. then you go get your QB in 2023.  If done correctly,  you could have a decent team around a young QB in 2024-2025.   

This is year two for Hurts. Got him for four years(second round pick). Team definitely isn’t going to be there. So year three and four....that’s the target. Try and build a great team up around him. That also looks about like the window of several very quality vets on this team.

I actually agree with the styles in the QB room. Don’t have to shake things up majorly. But like all things in the NFL....it’s mostly about quality.

If you can snag Watson though....Hurts isn’t Watson. In fact Hurts would be a perfect complimentary backup to Watson

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

Basically got beat out by the other guy and transferred 

HUH? He was the Goldenboy. He got beat out by Suds? Hurts was no better,we lost Wentz because he wasn't worth the MONEY(something thats not an issue in college)

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

With you except for the idea that you can move Hurts to #2 ....you have to move on from him if he doesn't prove to be a starter level guy.  He needs a chance elsewhere, then if he fails...he can come back as a backup.  Like Foles.  I'm not a fan of getting Wilson either, not at this stage.

My mindset is 2023 draft.  2 years of good drafting and a good 2022 free agent period.. then you go get your QB in 2023.  If done correctly,  you could have a decent team around a young QB in 2024-2025.   

LOL well if we got Wilson, I doubt Hurts would have an issue being QB 2. If we got a trade offer for him ok NP

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

7 games is absolutely doable this year if the older vets stay healthy.  The year or two after that will be the true test as these players retire, leave or start to fade. 

Well, if we hit the draft well, the transition may not be as bad as you make it out to be if we(now) have a staff that can develop the young guys. We have 11 picks, alot of late round WIP's/projects, but out of that group I would hope to at least nail a few solid BU's. I don't care what position it is. I would like to see us use some of those later round picks to move into round 4 where there are still possible starters around. We need those first 4 picks to be able to start,or to start SOON (say before mid season for the round 3 guys). My round 3 WR Wallace I believe can start right away

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is year two for Hurts. Got him for four years(second round pick). Team definitely isn’t going to be there. So year three and four....that’s the target. Try and build a great team up around him. That also looks about like the window of several very quality vets on this team.

LOL I'm looking at building up a great team around him, then finding my Franchise QB after that 😁 2022-23. I am really liking the kid from NC(not because I live here now lol) 42TD's with ZERO picks is pretty impressive. We would have to do a "re-tank" to get him lol. Or hope our 6-7 win season is the worst in the league(which is possible)

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If you can snag Watson though....Hurts isn’t Watson. In fact Hurts would be a perfect complimentary backup to Watson

I don't want Watson................. because he's not playing from jail

IDK I am waiting around to see what kind of offense Siri wants. If you look at the Colts, RIvers has a totally different style than Brissett had. Wentz is more like Rivers. I want to avoid that changing it all because my BU has a completely different skill set. So we need to decide what the future is pocket passers or running QB's. That's the first thing I want to know .Obviously for now the gears  have shifted from a pocket passer to a running QB. Basically that''s all siri has to work with at the moment,and I want to find out if that's what his END result/goal is, or will he do the best he can while gearing back up for a pocket passer? OR can we take a "running QB" and make him a pocket passer? We will find out this year