5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Didn't and don't...2 different things.  Now, they want to trade him, they want the cap space.  You can sugarcoat it however you like.... right now,  they want to unload him and everyone knows.   There is no leverage,  he isn't that good for them to play hardball.  If he was a player that should get a 1st round pick in return,  then it's different.  To worry about sqeezing a day 3 pick is bad business. Then and now.... 2 different things.  

We need a fourth rounder. It’s worth it to me. I’m also tired of getting played by every other team and our own players. He’s under contract for this season. Ertz has some major pressure to perform early this season as well. I could see him playing well the first five games enough for a team to give up that fourth to try and make a run at things this year.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

A bad player with a good attitude... that's great.   When they flush him to his left and he has to throw without leverage,  watch how he struggles. 

You need to use your eyes, not read off stats.     We have Bobby Hoying as an example of great stats for one game. The planets align sometimes for a bad QB, another great example is the kid from Green Bay that was signed by Seattle the year they drafted Wilson.... phenomenal game Stat wise for Green Bay , ended up a dud.   

I mean a 43 yard TD was basically a forfeit screen pass that AZ let Watkins score due to miscommunication and nobody taking their gaps.  They left Reagor wide open twice on dump off passes.  

I'm not worried about the attitude,  it's the skulls that concern me.  He needs to show that he can function if they take away his running.  So far 4 non productive 2nd halves of games.  A huge trend with the idea that once they figure out the new guy, he can't play well. 

I think airing it out for 340 yards in his second and third game is a good start to showing he can do more than just run the ball.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You are describing the whole season for Wentz though.    Practice with 2nd or 3rd string all week....then 4th and 5th stringers have to come in.  

I agree with not judging by " results " of 2020.    I'm just using what my eyes saw. My concern is that Hurts can't make all the throws needed in the NFL.  But I absolutely want to give him a 16 game look.  I'm ok giving him a 32 game look if needed.   By the end, I need it to be obvious to guys like you that he can't be a winning starter on this league. Leaving zero doubts we need to move on.   Or he proves guys like me and BG wrong.  One way or the other, there should be no doubt.  

I’m describing Tank Game. Which took our pathetic situation of talent to a whole other level. Nobody was going to be successful in that game. You obviously are just pumping an agenda if you are trying to use that game’s stats against Hurts.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

For anyone who likes to quote PFF.

Especially for those who like Hurts.

PFF has QB as our top need.   WR is #2.

This is according to what they graded last year... not Wentz, Alshon or DeSean...but Hurts and the guys still here.     

They are young with room to grow, but this is PFF , you  can't just use their ratings part of the time if it fits your agenda, but not when it doesn't.  

It's why I don't Iike to use them at all.  Too many X factors and degree of difficulty never taken into account. Being graded with an easier assignment ( an easier guy to block or cover) doesn't tell the whole story.  

I agree and disagree. PFF is a useful tool. But believing they are all knowing and just fact would be incorrect.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You are describing the whole season for Wentz though.    Practice with 2nd or 3rd string all week....then 4th and 5th stringers have to come in.  

I agree with not judging by " results " of 2020.    I'm just using what my eyes saw. My concern is that Hurts can't make all the throws needed in the NFL.  But I absolutely want to give him a 16 game look.  I'm ok giving him a 32 game look if needed.   By the end, I need it to be obvious to guys like you that he can't be a winning starter on this league. Leaving zero doubts we need to move on.   Or he proves guys like me and BG wrong.  One way or the other, there should be no doubt.  

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Not thinking anybody can take this turd and polish it into a bunch of wins. So it will be easy for haters of Hurts to point toward his win loss record. He’s 1-3 already.... partly thanks to Tank Game(which I refuse to hold against him). But I do believe he will win more games than we did this past season. That’s about all I can set the bar at right now.

Hurts improved every year of college. Been called very coachable by everyone. I see no reason to think that wont continue.

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts improved every year of college. Been called very coachable by everyone. I see no reason to think that wont continue.

He improved so much he lost his job to TUA and had to transfer. I'm not annointing him yet

13 hours ago, jsb235 said:

This seems way too much to me.

Jeremy Fowler on Twitter: "Joe Flacco’s deal with Philly includes $3.5 million guaranteed and an additional $4 million in incentives, per source" / Twitter

  Not our money. We are not going anywhere so who cares really?

5 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

Joe Flacco was hired to be a tutor to Hurts.

I think Alex Smith would have been better in that role.

Their styles are closer

I think Alex Smith still wants to start, so he would not have come here. Plus he would have demanded more cash. Just how I take it....

Short memories. Most loved Wentz getting out of the pocket and running - until he got hurt. Then it was train him to stay in the pocket - then there was no pocket. Now there's a dual threat QB and you don't want him to run, even tho the OL's still suspect - augh! Neither saw the whole field like Foles did and both failed to see open guys, but I don't see Hurts as a 1 read or run first QB. The diff between him and Wentz is how quickly he processes what's happening and REACTS - one of the main attributes I look for in a QB. Wentz ran when it was too late. Have to see more of Hurts, but what I saw only had time for 1 or 2 reads, seeing the opportunity and taking it, unlike his predecessor who either wanted the big play to develop or play hero. Facts are no QB can do it w/o a supporting cast, weapons are nice, a solid OL even nicer.

45 minutes ago, stine said:

  Not our money. We are not going anywhere so who cares really?

I don't think that is too much ... we likely would have spent the same if not more on Taylor or Brissett (not sure what they signed for).  But regardless of what they do this year, the focus now needs to be putting this team in the best position possible to become competitive again starting in 2022 or more likely 2023.  That means being smart about what moves are made ... let's not add 30+ year old players to large $ multi year contracts, let's purge the roster of overpriced vets with bloated contracts, draft wisely (ughhh) - add young talent on cheap rookie contracts and preserve cap space so that when we finally do have a nice young nucleus in place we can then have the cap available to make a few splash signings to round out the roster to hopefully rise to the top once again.  

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We need a fourth rounder. It’s worth it to me. I’m also tired of getting played by every other team and our own players. He’s under contract for this season. Ertz has some major pressure to perform early this season as well. I could see him playing well the first five games enough for a team to give up that fourth to try and make a run at things this year.

He's not going to play here.   Gotta realize it.  Their play is to be petty, try to get a 6th rounder in the draft or cut him post June.   There is no good look, he's not going to perform on this roster.    Ship has sailed.   

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think airing it out for 340 yards in his second and third game is a good start to showing he can do more than just run the ball.

Airing it out..  someone who didn't watch the games I guess. Lol.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m describing Tank Game. Which took our pathetic situation of talent to a whole other level. Nobody was going to be successful in that game. You obviously are just pumping an agenda if you are trying to use that game’s stats against Hurts.

Nah... pretty much you described the whole season 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m describing Tank Game. Which took our pathetic situation of talent to a whole other level. Nobody was going to be successful in that game. You obviously are just pumping an agenda if you are trying to use that game’s stats against Hurts.

Btw... I don't have to use the " tank game"     my issue is the 2nd half of gsmes... they stopped him from running and he had nothing.  A dropped pick 6 prevented him from being 0-4.   He fumbles way too much, and can't make off balance throws.  It's easy to see on the eyes.   If he improved in college, which I think it's pretty clear my opinion of college ball,  I'm just curious how bad was he as a passer 3 years ago? 

22 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Short memories. Most loved Wentz getting out of the pocket and running - until he got hurt. Then it was train him to stay in the pocket - then there was no pocket. Now there's a dual threat QB and you don't want him to run, even tho the OL's still suspect - augh! Neither saw the whole field like Foles did and both failed to see open guys, but I don't see Hurts as a 1 read or run first QB. The diff between him and Wentz is how quickly he processes what's happening and REACTS - one of the main attributes I look for in a QB. Wentz ran when it was too late. Have to see more of Hurts, but what I saw only had time for 1 or 2 reads, seeing the opportunity and taking it, unlike his predecessor who either wanted the big play to develop or play hero. Facts are no QB can do it w/o a supporting cast, weapons are nice, a solid OL even nicer.

Dude... Foles had a great article written about him.  Where the first read being open was so crucial to his success.   I don't think he is good at reading the field.  He is good at dumping it off or putting up 50- 50 balls to his target.  Nothing on film is going to show Foles reading the field.   

I don't want Hurts not to run.   I want him to show he cam do more,because when defenses took that away in the 2nd halves of games,  our offense did nothing.   It's 4 games same trend.  

Your young team can't develop if your QB takes off too early.   It's why you don't see playof success with these running QBs.  I'd rather have my guy give his WRs a chance to get open as long as possible.   When your team stinks, you don't win by throwing the ball away, you need hero ball, which is exactly where both our QBs had success last year, playing hero ball.  

They also showed where Hurts had time in the pocket and ran out for no reason.  It's a lot of instinct to change.  Even if he can, he's going to have to eventually make difficult throws.  Teams are going to force him left and make him have to make those throws. 

As for Flacco, would any of you rather have Suds? Flacco's an affordable b/u. a vet presence who may be able to teach Hurts a few things.

9 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

As for Flacco, would any of you rather have Suds? Flacco's an affordable b/u. a vet presence who may be able to teach Hurts a few things.

I wanted the cheapest vet option possible.   I believe this works due to the vet minimum rule that JBS brought up.   My guess is there is probably like zero cap hit here when the details get released.    Next up... #3 QB after the draft.    Then it's ideal for me.  100% all about Hurts in 2021.   

We are all ignoring the big Picture. Howie needs to hit on the next two drafts.

As Wrangler pointed out to me in an email:

Roseman’s recent draft record has been well documented. No Pro Bowlers since 2016, no Pro Bowlers outside the first round since 2013, no defensive Pro Bowlers since 2012.

 

   This has to change. Problem is with Lurie tampering with Howie, will we do any better?  This will put us back years if not fixed now....

8 minutes ago, stine said:

We are all ignoring the big Picture. Howie needs to hit on the next two drafts.

If you have been paying attention to this board the last couple months, nobody is ignoring that at all.  The drafting is pretty much everyone's #1 issue.   

I guess what I mean is we are talking about what we want, when we all know that Howie is going to screw it up. I am just trying to brace myself for another stupid pick that shows how "Smart" He is and we waste another year. Can he even draft a pro-bowl player with his first 4 picks?

36 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

As for Flacco, would any of you rather have Suds? Flacco's an affordable b/u. a vet presence who may be able to teach Hurts a few things.

We paid Sudfeld $2M last year ... so paying Flacco $3.5M is definitely not unreasonable considering his experience.

Bg has already stated that we will go QB with the first pick, problem is he is probably right. So we draft the 3rd or 4th best QB who will most likely not work out.... When you know we can grab a solid Pro-Bowl talent at 6 with Chase or Pitts.