3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes, but the success should be greater with the original team.    SF maintained success to a higher degree of the Walsh tree..  seems same with New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore,  Green Bay...   

I'm going to use our latest SB as the example.  We have a statue to 2 guys IMO... who were the example of the luck and all the outside things that go into winning.  The stuff Ham is going to write his future best seller about.   The guys in Indy IMO are the ones who did the heavy lifting and represent that talent part for me. The sustainable part.    

The whole scenario where McDaniels turns the job down and Reich gets poached last minute, the offense goes to crap,  he proceeds to build a pretty good team but without a QB, we pay our stud QB, put him in the most brutal situation possible, and ship him off to Reich at a discount... to have a nice long successful career ... and both guys are locked in there, no place to poach Reich.  We get the understudy with the hope he is good, and a QB we hope can achieve mediocre level success in the league.   

The top organizations never lose the better coach or put the stud player in such a brutal position.   Not this quickly.   

I hope this coach turns out to be the real deal... because he is so young,  we could keep him for a really long time.  At that point,  once we get him a legit stud QB,  I hope we do better that we did for McNabb and Wentz.   Give me a great coach,  QB and #1 weapon for 8 to 10 years, we can fill in the rest , where success should be here, not elsewhere for any coaches that want to leave. 

I'm just hoping for  a coach that won't give up the running game at 1/2 time or go for 4th and 2's when you have BU's to the BUs' as your O line

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Caff WASNT THERE!!! I’m looking at early Cam 2011-2013 things they did to make a young Cam successful... What year was Caff drafted??? 

I guess  posted that link for no reason. Cam and the Panthers had more success with Caff,say whatever you want

26 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Didn’t say anything about when was he more of a threat though lol also had nothing to do with my original post which was our O being similar to what Carolina did early in Cam career for Hurts 

So what is similar about it except they are both running  QB's? There are alot of those, so it's also similar to RG3 and about any other running QB on any team lol

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

I guess  posted that link for no reason. Cam and the Panthers had more success with Caff,say whatever you want

That has ZERO TO DO WITH IT.... Lmao what does taking elements of what help make Cam successful early in his career have to do with Caff later on.

Yes they were more successful with a Caff but has zero to do with developing Cam and the elements that helped him things I think could similarly work for Hurts 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

That has ZERO TO DO WITH IT.... Lmao what does taking elements of what help make Cam successful early in his career have to do with Caff later on.

Yes they were more successful with a Caff but has zero to do with developing Cam and the elements that helped him things I think could similarly work for Hurts 

So he was a running QB that had success. Many teams have them

 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So he was a running QB that had success. Many teams have them

 

Taking elements from teams that had success with Running QBs should be the goal no lmao....

It will be similar if Hurts turns out to be Lamar Jackson,which we have no clue about yet

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It will be similar if Hurts turns out to be Lamar Jackson,which we have no clue about yet

I’d look at elements of what the ravens do to... I think Hurts is more Similar to Cam then the super speedy Jackson but definitely would look at some of the things the Ravens do with Jackson as well 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Taking elements from teams that had success with Running QBs should be the goal no lmao....

We have no clue what will bring success. I gather thats WHY we took Flacco,to find out which style suits us,then go from there

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’d look at elements of what the ravens do to... I think Hurts is more Similar to Cam then the super speedy Jackson but definitely would look at some of the things the Ravens do with Jackson as well 

well we don't have the supporting cast they do,so making comparisons after 4 games is moot IMO

They both do/did similar things though lots of read options lot of the QB using there legs and helping them as passer early on by cutting the field in half for them basically. Play actions etc. 

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

well we don't have the supporting cast they do,so making comparisons after 4 games is moot IMO

Again has zero to do with anything your making this argument into something else lmao.... 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

They both do/did similar things though lots of read options lot of the QB using there legs and helping them as passer early on by cutting the field in half for them basically. Play actions etc. 

He could be Jackson,or Haskins or about anyone else. I have to see what he does this year before I can compare him to anyone

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Thinking early Cam in Carolina they did something similar

Yep,thats similar,all rook QB's panic and run lol

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He could be Jackson,or Haskins or about anyone else. I have to see what he does this year before I can compare him to anyone

Again what does any of that have to do with his style as a QB you already stated he was a 1 read and run QB you said that... I’m looking at elements of QBs that also were that style ie Cam and Jackson and using that to help bring Hurts along in the hopes he has success... Using what works for those 1 read and runners should be our goal so yes we should look what other teams have done with QB like that use some of those elements in our offense 

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/nfl-draft-2021-theory-why-eagles-traded-down-no-12   Leaning this way. I would take Horn and move up into the end of 1 for Bateman if he is the WR we want,we have the picks to move

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

QB like that use some of those elements in our offense 

Sure,we just need those "other elements" of offense because we dont have them 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So we can try to change multiple QB's to WR, then back again, but we can't try out Dillard at ROG lmao. IDK why we keep trying to change QB's to WR's. Why not just get QB's and WR's??

Who does Dillard beat out at RG....Brooks or Herbig?

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

 

At this point not expecting Hurts to win many games solely off his arm. If teams contain Hurts running to me the O struggles 

Yes, to you and everyone else who watches with their eyes and not their hearts 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

My understanding was,with the WR talent out there it would be nearly impossible to get him on a roster,so they are putting him back to the position he can maybe succeed in at some level

So with this talent at WR... I'm assuming no need to draft one.  We need to take it off the mocks.

44 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

And having Caff helped that no???? Do we have caff??? 

When was Cam's early career?   When did they get McCaffrey?    

42 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Caff WASNT THERE!!! I’m looking at early Cam 2011-2013 things they did to make a young Cam successful... What year was Caff drafted??? 

2017.. the 7th year of the early part of  Cam's career.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So looks to me like we are going to let Pitts get away(I like the additional picks but.......) and make Ertz play his arse off here so he can score on his next contract(GL with that). I know Howie talks about a "QB factory" but really we tend to crank out TE's really well. Get more in here so we can trade them since we already have a TE factory going(Celek,Burton,Ertz,Goedert )

Yeah he's #6 but still listed as a WR on our roster. I was just wondering WHY. Yeah like I said they are both 1 read and run QB's

There’s always the Miami TE. You know they are the college TE factory. 

34 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’d look at elements of what the ravens do to... I think Hurts is more Similar to Cam then the super speedy Jackson but definitely would look at some of the things the Ravens do with Jackson as well 

Agree with the idea of looking into these things.   But I would say Hurts is more similar to Jackson... Cam is a physical beast, fast, but not necessarily quick.   His size though and much better arm than Hurts.   

2 things these teams had in common.  1. Is a good defense.  2 is a power running game.  

You lessen the need to pass if you have a good D.   And forcing the defense to look to stop the 4 yard run, opens up things for the QB keeper.   

You could say Wilson had these elements early in his career too.  This is who the Hurts fans want to compare him with.   The intangibles through the roof with this kid...that is the hope that it makes up for the deficiencies he has compared to an NFL QB. 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

This is what I’m expecting the O to be. Hurts getting out the pocket reading one side of the field nothing there take off and run.

Thinking early Cam in Carolina they did something similar. 
 

At this point not expecting Hurts to win many games solely off his arm. If teams contain Hurts running to me the O struggles 

I think much depends on supplying a heavy rushing attack. In all the ways we can. RB, QB....Jet Sweep! Options abound for the passing game coming off those.

25 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

 

Sure,we just need those "other elements" of offense because we dont have them 

This is what BG has been trying to say the whole time.   Which you keep missing.    Since Hurts has similar traits to these other running QBs... we should look to bring in these other elements that Carolina, Baltimore had... in order to help Hurts.    You follow? 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think much depends on supplying a heavy rushing attack. In all the ways we can. RB, QB....Jet Sweep! Options abound for the passing game coming off those.

It's these abounding options as to why they preferred Siri vs your boy Doug... who you could tell this year was not interested on any jet sweeps or running QB type stuff.   I thought it was obvious while it was happening all season that Doug is a west coast passing guy, not a read option running QB type guy.   He had no interest in putting in those plays for Hurts,  here and there, but not to the point where it's enough to change from 5 yard button hooks.  

Had nothing to do with Doug and Wentz.   It was this and the fact they wanted to pick his staff. 

Siri can do this running QB stuff,  I just hope when we move on, that he can go back to doing the non gimmick stuff that can actually win in the playoffs.