I said from the start I thought QB was option 1 for Philly that failed so they went to option #2 which was collecting capital and moving back 

41 minutes ago, stine said:

Here is something for you to ponder....

https://thesportsdaily.com/2021/04/06/broz-explains-the-mbpa-draft-philosophy-for-eagles-fans/

Been professing this method of drafting for a lot longer than Broz! Weighting need with BPA, take it a step further by weighing those picks against players in other rds - it's how to set a board. He's got the blog, he can take the credit.

OK, So this is NOT what I want to happen. Saying that, most assuredly it will.

If the Eagles do not trade back again, I see them drafting Waddle at 12. To make matters worse, they draft Farley in the second. Farley is a solid CB, but has injury issues. That is what HR does. He looks at the potential and goes for it. So, now we have a WR which probably will be good, but will fail because that is what happens to us. Then we have a CB who gets hurt in PS...

  Now, on to the 3rd. We draft a RB, but not the one we want. Then we draft a LB that is a reach. Need I go on?

  Best case scenario is both Washington and NE want to move up because Fields is still around at 12. Because this is a bidding war, the Eagles grab an additional 2nd round pick. So, even if they do draft Farley in the 2nd, we still have another pick to try and get right!  There you have it. Howies reasoning in a nut shell.....

2 minutes ago, stine said:

OK, So this is NOT what I want to happen. Saying that, most assuredly it will.

If the Eagles do not trade back again, I see them drafting Waddle at 12. To make matters worse, they draft Farley in the second. Farley is a solid CB, but has injury issues. That is what HR does. He looks at the potential and goes for it. So, now we have a WR which probably will be good, but will fail because that is what happens to us. Then we have a CB who gets hurt in PS...

  Now, on to the 3rd. We draft a RB, but not the one we want. Then we draft a LB that is a reach. Need I go on?

  Best case scenario is both Washington and NE want to move up because Fields is still around at 12. Because this is a bidding war, the Eagles grab an additional 2nd round pick. So, even if they do draft Farley in the 2nd, we still have another pick to try and get right!  There you have it. Howies reasoning in a nut shell.....

Getting Waddle and Farley would be a fantastic start to the draft.

25 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I do agree that taking OL or DL at 6 would be over drafting (unless Sewell but they just invested a 1st rd pick on a LT 2 years ago who missed all of 2020 so basically still an unknown).  Have to see what we have in him first before spending more high draft capital on the same position.  

I was thinking Mailata stepping up at OT is even more of a factor.  Regardless, I just don't think they wanted to pick one at 6.   Now at 12, after getting another 1st rounder, they can justify anything. 

1 hour ago, stine said:

Let me know. Not that I am any good but it is a fun thing to do. I figure just take players we know HR won't draft and wait for it.........

GOod strategy LOL

1 hour ago, stine said:

Here is something for you to ponder....

 

https://thesportsdaily.com/2021/04/06/broz-explains-the-mbpa-draft-philosophy-for-eagles-fans/

 

 

Yeah thats how I mock too

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Getting Waddle and Farley would be a fantastic start to the draft.

 Well, it is probably what happens so you got your wish. I just see another player on IR when this happens....

52 minutes ago, stine said:

   Who Knows? Maybe the Eagles feel Fields is a potential Elite QB. If so and he is available, that may be the pick at 12... I cannot believe they feel this way about Lance.....

OHHHH dude, Lance has more top end potential I believe, but it would take a year or 2 because he is rather raw,so maybe that would be a smart pick?? the skills are there if we wanted to take the time and with Hurts we have at least a year to work with him. Maybe he works out and becomes our starter,if not we have 3 round 1 picks ready for next year,so the question is how highly do we value his potential

Yeah, have a spinal fusion myself - back probs and football don't mix

28 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

In the opinion of a fan that wants a trade back lol.... In all seriousness though Eagles/SF talking to Miami for 3 both want it... Miami tells Philly this is the offer Philly doesn’t match. They know instantly that SF got the trade. Your Philly now didn’t get the trade up for your QB what’s your play moving down of course so why not talk to the team you already been talking to that has extra picks.

Think Philly tried and failed to move up to 3 and then opted to move back 

That's great.   What about Miami?  Which scenario works better for them?   I dont doubt the Eagles inquired about moving up to 3, I don't doubt they inquire every year about moving up or down.   

I also think they talked to teams about moving back, probably more teams and conversations there.  

But with these conversations being had.   I could easily see Miami not wanting to drop down that far. Starting at 3, they probably already had the idea they were going to be able to select the top non QB.  The fall to 6 still gives them a chance to get their #1 guy and for sure the top guy at any of WR, TE or OT.

Now the SF trade alone was good for Miami.  But still it's a big forfeit to move from 3 to 12.  3 to 6 not so much, if at all.   No-brainer move there. 

The other thing from an Eagles standpoint.   Let's say there was no offer from SF for pick 3?   Let's say it only took pick 6 and next year's 1st rounder to move up to 3.   Do you think the Eagles make that trade?  I don't.    I absolutely think the Eagles kicked the tires, but also think they knew the asking price was going to be too high,and had trade back as their #1 option if something good came up. 

19 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Getting Waddle and Farley would be a fantastic start to the draft.

I would rather have Horn and Etienne or Horn and Bateman

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The other thing from an Eagles standpoint.   Let's say there was no offer from SF for pick 3?   Let's say it only took pick 6 and next year's 1st rounder to move up to 3.   Do you think the Eagles make that trade?  I don't.    I absolutely think the Eagles kicked the tires, but also think they knew the asking price was going to be too high,and had trade back as their #1 option if something good came up. 

I think they would have made the trade if they could have but couldn’t I’ve said this multiple times already lol. 

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would rather have Horn and Etienne or Horn and Bateman

So it would be interesting if we had the choice between Horn and Lance (decisions decisions)

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think they would have made the trade if they could have but couldn’t I’ve said this multiple times already lol. 

Two #1s ?   PR nightmare... especially not knowing for sure your guy was going to be there.    

Now let's say they want the QB... do you think good chance that the #4 QB is there for them at 6?   

So adding it all up... every piece of info.  You think the Eagles would have traded pick 6 and next year's first for Mac Jones?  The guy who is going #3?   Because if not for him, and not for the #2 pick... why trade out of 6 if the 4th guy could easily drop? 

I knew Darnold was out in NY. I was surprised he went to my homers,but now wondering if the Pats or The Wuss would take Bridgewater as a band-aid QB(Washington Wuss that is lol)

Just now, joemas6 said:

Two #1s ?   PR nightmare... especially not knowing for sure your guy was going to be there.    

Now let's say they want the QB... do you think good chance that the #4 QB is there for them at 6?   

So adding it all up... every piece of info.  You think the Eagles would have traded pick 6 and next year's first for Mac Jones?  The guy who is going #3?   Because if not for him, and not for the #2 pick... why trade out of 6 if the 4th guy could easily drop? 

Joe here is the thing I don’t think you draft QBs based on is this guy #1 or #5 or whatever else think you draft the QB you like your guy... If that was Wilson then makes sense Philly backed out of the Miami trade if it was Mac then they just lost the bidding war. 

So,if Lance is there at 12 what is your call?

30 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Getting Waddle and Farley would be a fantastic start to the draft.

Would much prefer:

Horn/Surtain/Chase/Pitts/Parsons/Bateman (after a slight trade back) and Browning/Samuel Jr/Owusu-Kormoah/Moehrig/Marshall.  

But that's just me.  

  Well, I would love for the Eagles to grab An additional 2nd round pick by moving back 4-7 spots.... Especially if their guy is not there at 12. Whomever that guy is.....

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Joe here is the thing I don’t think you draft QBs based on is this guy #1 or #5 or whatever else think you draft the QB you like your guy... If that was Wilson then makes sense Philly backed out of the Miami trade if it was Mac then they just lost the bidding war. 

So that is my thing... then in your mind it was either of just these 2 guys and you think they would give up pick 6 and next year's first to get either.  But not stay at 6 in the event one of these guys dropped or if they wanted Fields or Lance?  

IMO if QB was that paramount, which I also think was good chance if they stayed at 6, I think they would have stayed there to see what happens before trading down. 

I think if their QB fell to 6 , they draft him, but I don't think they go overboard to get him.   The fact they traded down before seeing who fell, absolutely tells me that was their main goal.  

But the cherry on top for me is the result for Miami.  Idk if they make the SF trade without the Eagles getting involved.  It's why I think all 3 teams were talking to get it all done.

1 minute ago, stine said:

  Well, I would love for the Eagles to grab An additional 2nd round pick by moving back 4-7 spots.... Especially if their guy is not there at 12. Whomever that guy is.....

Four day 2 picks ... with the lower cost is exactly a New England type of draft 5 - 10 years ago.  Great way to build. 

11 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Joe here is the thing I don’t think you draft QBs based on is this guy #1 or #5 or whatever else think you draft the QB you like your guy... If that was Wilson then makes sense Philly backed out of the Miami trade if it was Mac then they just lost the bidding war. 

Agree! If any QB is there at your pick and you have done your homework, you should know what his capabilities are. If they have a potential of being elite down the road, you draft him. Regardless if he is the top rated QB of number 5 on your board....

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So that is my thing... then in your mind it was either of just these 2 guys and you think they would give up pick 6 and next year's first to get either.  But not stay at 6 in the event one of these guys dropped or if they wanted Fields or Lance?  

IMO if QB was that paramount, which I also think was good chance if they stayed at 6, I think they would have stayed there to see what happens before trading down. 

I think if their QB fell to 6 , they draft him, but I don't think they go overboard to get him.   The fact they traded down before seeing who fell, absolutely tells me that was their main goal.  

But the cherry on top for me is the result for Miami.  Idk if they make the SF trade without the Eagles getting involved.  It's why I think all 3 teams were talking to get it all done.

Here is the thing I don’t think Philly trades out of one of there QBs were going to fall that is the point you seem to be missing. I don’t think you settle on QB it’s this is my guy simple logic 

It’s not oh my QB is gone at but it’s ok got QB4 I can still get if I stay at 6...It’s our guy is gone let’s make a move out now we can’t get our QB sitting at 6