4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Shocker...  they received calls and are open to a trade.   No kidding.   Which team is never open to a trade?   Again. One pick doesn't fix anything....very easily they could take Pitts and all defense afterward.    I agree they " could trade back "  I agree they should look into it.  Do I think they make the trade... idk. It takes two to do so.  If not, I doubt they go defense at 4.  

Sounds like the message came straight from ATL’s GM

Schwartz was going to get the ax....no doubt. Gave him the honorable way out.

Jordan Howard looked bad when he was brought back last season. I wouldn’t have made that move...,again

12 minutes ago, stine said:

  The more I think about it, The more I feel the Eagles are going to try and trade down. I do not think they are targeting a WR at 12. We have drafted so many WR's these past years that I feel either they have specific players they are targeting and draft them if they are there or they trade back and pick up an additional 2nd round pick. I think they want Surtain, Horn or a Top LB/DL player. If those are not there they trade back. I do not feel they are targeting a WR. If they were they probably would have sat at 6 and took either Chase or Pitts. With their drafting history at WR, they would need to be sure they nailed that pick. Trading back would not do that....

I agree with trading back. Chase just wasn’t going to be there at six. We would have stayed for him. Still feels like we are in the no man’s land at 12. Good spot for an Oline. I’d like to see us move back again.

11 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Howard is only 26 not an old guy 

Body wise..,.he looked real old last year. I think he’s done

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah... I'll disagree there..  mainly due to looking at the last 4 games where the WRs were basically useless.  Fulgham was our best WR over the last 2 years.   He played with Wentz.  Very hard for me to blame a QB who had a group of practice squad guys and threw 4000 without one of them over 500 .  I think a big issue was Doug and his route tree, very bland and the curved routes vs the sharp angles.   

But these guys are young and should get coached better.  I am willing to give more than a year, especially since the first year will be with the running QB type.  Like I said, you can look at Brown as an example of an unknown , he can run fast and does great on broken plays but what else?

How old is Zeke? 

Wentz didn’t throw guys open. Brown went for 769 yards and eight TDs. Not bad. Wentz played favorites. Mostly trying to shove the ball down Ertz throat. Ertz had a breakdown and look what happened. Is JJAW not any good? Or would Wentz just refuse to throw him the jump ball? Agholor had his issues tracking the ball...seems like Wentz didn’t really want to go to him though because of it. Wentz didn’t build up ....really any receiver. Kind of seemed like he kept a tally of WR mistakes and held it against them. Really underutilized our backup TEs also. I wasn’t a fan of our WR coach after Groh but it seems like Wentz was at the heart of the issues as well. Saw plenty of opportunities this last season where Wentz was just holding the ball instead of getting it out there. I feel fairly convinced he’s not good at developing young receivers. Much of that is on him.

Blaming Pedey feels unfair. How advanced can your routes be if you are starting the practice squad guys? How advanced can it be if your two vets go down and you are starting all these inexperienced rooks this past season?

Where was Wentz The Leader? He needed to bring these guys along. 

Stock this team with a ton of picks. Youth Infusion! Only way forward.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Body wise..,.he looked real old last year. I think he’s done

It is possible on a cheap bet minimum worth a look though 

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

?  300?    You mean seasons with 300 carries?   3 out of 5.  With Pollard last year he was down to 240, which is probably the path going forward,  especially with their WRs and looking to pass more now.    

If he was an Eagle, the spin would be a 25 year old physical stud with a nice career still ahead. 

300+ touches in 3 years... 1 year he did get 300+ touches was the year he was suspended played 10 games still have 270 touches that year and last year yup didnt hit 300 touches only 296

Then add in the 300+ touches he had in his two starting years at Ohio St. 

Lmao as for if he was an eagle he would be a 25(bout to be same age as Howard 26)year old with a ton of miles on him like any other RB like him 

Zeke only has 1654 touches in his nfl career 2304 touches since college that a massive toll on the body  for that physical stud as you call him 

19 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Where was Wentz The Leader? He needed to bring these guys along. 

Where were the coaches you know the guys you pay to bring players along lmao 😂 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wentz didn’t build up ....really any receiver. Kind of seemed like he kept a tally of WR mistakes and held it against them. Really underutilized our backup TEs also. I wasn’t a fan of our WR coach after Groh but it seems like Wentz was at the heart of the issues as well. Saw plenty of opportunities this last season where Wentz was just holding the ball instead of getting it out there. I feel fairly convinced he’s not good at developing young receivers. Much of that is on him.

Yet Greg Ward did his best work with Carson Wentz, Fulgham had his best stretch with Carson Wentz, AG had his best season with Carson Wentz....Geodart put up numbers with Carson Wentz??? trey burton got paid because of Carson Wentz throwing to him. 
 

Even seen plenty of balls thrown that Wentz made perfect that just got dropped. Guys weren’t getting open.. New players every week.

These things add up not shocking that some of the best WRs have played with the same QB for years 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wentz didn’t throw guys open. Brown went for 769 yards and eight TDs. Not bad. Wentz played favorites. Mostly trying to shove the ball down Ertz throat. Ertz had a breakdown and look what happened. Is JJAW not any good? Or would Wentz just refuse to throw him the jump ball? Agholor had his issues tracking the ball...seems like Wentz didn’t really want to go to him though because of it. Wentz didn’t build up ....really any receiver. Kind of seemed like he kept a tally of WR mistakes and held it against them. Really underutilized our backup TEs also. I wasn’t a fan of our WR coach after Groh but it seems like Wentz was at the heart of the issues as well. Saw plenty of opportunities this last season where Wentz was just holding the ball instead of getting it out there. I feel fairly convinced he’s not good at developing young receivers. Much of that is on him.

There we go.  Let's see what happens.  The Eagles are in great shape now  ...and poor Indy.  

Ham called it.  Hall of famer Ziggy Ansah over Steroid guy Lane Johnson who is going to be suspended for 2 years because he can only play on steroids.    Similar to that... Hurts will bring out the best in his WRs, unlike the cancer Wentz.  Indy WRs go in the toilet.   It's on record.

2 hours ago, stine said:

  The more I think about it, The more I feel the Eagles are going to try and trade down. I do not think they are targeting a WR at 12. We have drafted so many WR's these past years that I feel either they have specific players they are targeting and draft them if they are there or they trade back and pick up an additional 2nd round pick. I think they want Surtain, Horn or a Top LB/DL player. If those are not there they trade back. I do not feel they are targeting a WR. If they were they probably would have sat at 6 and took either Chase or Pitts. With their drafting history at WR, they would need to be sure they nailed that pick. Trading back would not do that....

Surtain won't be around,unless Pitts falls into the lap of Dullaz. I'm still pondering what the choice made would be if Horn and Lance were still on the board at 12. By all accounts Lance has the skills(BIG skills) but he needs groomed and more playing time,so really if we took him I would not be upset with that choice. I still have Horn as my 12,but my whole mock tanks if they take Lance. Either has a thought process I could understand and I agree, at this point there is no need for a "star/stud WR. Just improve that position. Nothing wrong with Terrance Marshall or Tylan Wallace and we are apparently looking into that slot guy from Da Bears

4 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

Nobody mentioned Schwartz also has health probs he needed to take care of. He's also an advisor, not a coach - he's just charging for his advice.

Well he got over his "health issue" in 2 months lol

2 hours ago, stine said:

  The more I think about it, The more I feel the Eagles are going to try and trade down. I do not think they are targeting a WR at 12. We have drafted so many WR's these past years that I feel either they have specific players they are targeting and draft them if they are there or they trade back and pick up an additional 2nd round pick. I think they want Surtain, Horn or a Top LB/DL player. If those are not there they trade back. I do not feel they are targeting a WR. If they were they probably would have sat at 6 and took either Chase or Pitts. With their drafting history at WR, they would need to be sure they nailed that pick. Trading back would not do that....

Round 1 WR's(lately) Agholor-ok never panned out as a round 1 pick, Reagor-no clue yet didn't show me round 1 nuttin last year. Seems his speed didn't help him get open. Jjaw-really a wasted pick in my view. SO his WR record(Howie's) Stinks. Now I think he is gun shy because Howie just hates to fail and will wait on a WR until he sees "overwhelming value"

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I disagree. I think this sealed the fate of any chance we take a LB on the first two days. We have a full Lb room now.

My LB is Rice in round 5(Georgia) Think he would be a terrific value there(oh and he can PLAY TOO lol)

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Schwartz was going to get the ax....no doubt. Gave him the honorable way out.

Jordan Howard looked bad when he was brought back last season. I wouldn’t have made that move...,again

Well he's cheap and as 93 pointed out, he can pass block,so it's not the end of the world here and frankly everyone looked bad last year 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I agree with trading back. Chase just wasn’t going to be there at six. We would have stayed for him. Still feels like we are in the no man’s land at 12. Good spot for an Oline. I’d like to see us move back again.

I'm taking the last top tier CB whomever that is(I hope it's not Farley). Now that we have Harris and Slay, they can't do this alone, so a nice CB at 12 would be in order

38 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

300+ touches in 3 years... 1 year he did get 300+ touches was the year he was suspended played 10 games still have 270 touches that year and last year yup didnt hit 300 touches only 296

Then add in the 300+ touches he had in his two starting years at Ohio St. 

Lmao as for if he was an eagle he would be a 25(bout to be same age as Howard 26)year old with a ton of miles on him like any other RB like him 

So is 300 like a magic number that is bad?   I absolutely think this comes into play some... more so at the end of careers.   Early 20s not so much.  There are many other factors too.   You compare a " touch" when a guy goes out of bounds or into the end zone without getting tackled,  I would say picking up a blitz is worse on the body.  

Either way, let's say he plays until age 30... 5 more years.   That's going to be an issue for the Eagles.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So is 300 like a magic number that is bad?   I absolutely think this comes into play some... more so at the end of careers.   Early 20s not so much.  There are many other factors too.   You compare a " touch" when a guy goes out of bounds or into the end zone without getting tackled,  I would say picking up a blitz is worse on the body.  

Either way, let's say he plays until age 30... 5 more years.   That's going to be an issue for the Eagles.

I think it adds up on a RB especially the physical style guys... I love Derrick Henry think he is the best RB in football right now but I don’t see his peak lasting long. Elliott has more of a toll on his body then Henry at this stage of there respective careers and Elliott is 2 years younger and he looked physically off last year compared to two years ago. 

15 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Round 1 WR's(lately) Agholor-ok never panned out as a round 1 pick, Reagor-no clue yet didn't show me round 1 nuttin last year. Seems his speed didn't help him get open. Jjaw-really a wasted pick in my view. SO his WR record(Howie's) Stinks. Now I think he is gun shy because Howie just hates to fail and will wait on a WR until he sees "overwhelming value"

Ham uncovered the problem ... it's not any of these guys or Howie. Or coaches... Wentz was the problem.   It's all good now at WR.

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You compare a " touch" when a guy goes out of bounds or into the end zone without getting tackled,  I would say picking up a blitz is worse on the body.

And this doesn’t account for plays that get called back so yea it’s a loose numbers 

3 hours ago, stine said:

  The more I think about it, The more I feel the Eagles are going to try and trade down. I do not think they are targeting a WR at 12. We have drafted so many WR's these past years that I feel either they have specific players they are targeting and draft them if they are there or they trade back and pick up an additional 2nd round pick. I think they want Surtain, Horn or a Top LB/DL player. If those are not there they trade back. I do not feel they are targeting a WR. If they were they probably would have sat at 6 and took either Chase or Pitts. With their drafting history at WR, they would need to be sure they nailed that pick. Trading back would not do that....

It's a tricky line where we are now in my view. At what point do you trade back and give up a difference maker in the draft??? I mean we could trade out of round 1 altogether and get 5 more picks if you want 5 more "mediocre/ WIP/ BU's". And IDK, if Pitts got past the Fins, I would think we could move up to 8 in front of Dullaz because A) Pitts can play and B) I dont want to have to defend against him twice a year(either in Dullaz or NY), so there is that little bonus issue of not letting a division rival have a top player they can use against you  and at 12 Carolina could still be in position for a QB if they wanted one. A move up to 8 would make sense if Pitts is the guy we want

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think it adds up on a RB especially the physical style guys... I love Derrick Henry think he is the best RB in football right now but I don’t see his peak lasting long. Elliott has more of a toll on his body then Henry at this stage of there respective careers and Elliott is 2 years younger and he looked physically off last year compared to two years ago. 

It's all good analysis.  Bigger point... with Pollard in there and the OL getting back, it's easy to see him being an issue for 5 or so years.   75% of Zeke is still a good football player.  I don't think their offense will need to rely on him as it did early on either.  Basically they aren't going away any time soon.  And I think they are 3rd behind NY and Wash.