42 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Improve the team. That’s the main thing. He needs to work on his accuracy. I don’t see that as much of an issue from a guy that appears to work as hard as he does.

Flacco should help teach him to move around in the pocket to extend the play without panicking and taking off, which is/was the main knock on Hurts that he is a 1 read QB. He can learn alot from Flac. He seems eager to get better, so that bodes well for him. I just want to see him get better every game. First step is to have a consistent O line. 7 wins is my goal for this year. 7-10 for a rebuild year I would consider a "win" . Shoring up the D would certainly assist in that goal.

34 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SO if he beat "arguably" the best defense,the other 3 games should have been like taking candy from a baby. Why didnt we win those?

Do you realize it’s a team game ?

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Flacco should help teach him to move around in the pocket to extend the play without panicking and taking off, which is/was the main knock on Hurts that he is a 1 read QB. He can learn alot from Flac. He seems eager to get better, so that bodes well for him. I just want to see him get better every game. First step is to have a consistent O line. 7 wins is my goal for this year. 7-10 for a rebuild year I would consider a "win" . Shoring up the D would certainly assist in that goal.

I don’t know if I really want wins. A terrible record with key guys stepping up would be nice. Some exciting losses is the best hope I have. Then we are setup for another big draft. Time to rebuild

With this young coaching staff....I’m just hoping they aren’t in over their heads. Feels like we are trying to groom coaches as much as players.

Cunningham, I have to say I’m surprised by your analysis of Hurts. You seem to be a pretty big supporter. I respect your argument. I think he has some leadership qualities that will bode well for the position. However, I think he lacks the talent needed to be successful; to be counted on to make plays when it most matters to WIN games. He can do it some, but some won’t make it a playoff team to matter. He looks like a career backup QB. Early to say that? Yes, I agree....it is an early assessment that could be wrong by me.

I do think that you are misguided thinking that his "accuracy” "can be taught” or "improved”. MANY GMs have been fired over that fallacy.

For the first time in a long time I have no expectations for the season and expect my friends to mock me over my love of the Eagles. I will grin and bear it. There is minimal talent on the team now. It sucks! Either Howie hits it big with draft picks or his butt better be gone for GOOD! Tough love I know, but he has been paid handsomely and his drafts have been fruitless; thereby leaving a roster void of talent.

I have to get over trading Wentz at some point, but I never would have done it. A 2nd rounder after giving up 3 1st rounders just to get him. You FINALLY have a franchise QB and you let his crybaby antics work. I am too old school clearly. If Mahomes were waiting in his footsteps, sure. Hurts is a poor man’s Dax and I was ecstatic Dallas paid him so much. You better put an A++ team together if you expect to win with average QBs in this league. Just saying.

6 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

Cunningham, I have to say I’m surprised by your analysis of Hurts. You seem to be a pretty big supporter. I respect your argument. I think he has some leadership qualities that will bode well for the position. However, I think he lacks the talent needed to be successful; to be counted on to make plays when it most matters to WIN games. He can do it some, but some won’t make it a playoff team to matter. He looks like a career backup QB. Early to say that? Yes, I agree....it is an early assessment that could be wrong by me.

I do think that you are misguided thinking that his "accuracy” "can be taught” or "improved”. MANY GMs have been fired over that fallacy.

For the first time in a long time I have no expectations for the season and expect my friends to mock me over my love of the Eagles. I will grin and bear it. There is minimal talent on the team now. It sucks! Either Howie hits it big with draft picks or his butt better be gone for GOOD! Tough love I know, but he has been paid handsomely and his drafts have been fruitless; thereby leaving a roster void of talent.

I have to get over trading Wentz at some point, but I never would have done it. A 2nd rounder after giving up 3 1st rounders just to get him. You FINALLY have a franchise QB and you let his crybaby antics work. I am too old school clearly. If Mahomes were waiting in his footsteps, sure. Hurts is a poor man’s Dax and I was ecstatic Dallas paid him so much. You better put an A++ team together if you expect to win with average QBs in this league. Just saying.

Seems to me the players chose Hurts. Wentz lost the team. How could you try and suit him up like that? Seems like everytime Wentz went down all the players stepped up for the backup. I’m not just talking WR...or Oline. I even saw extra pep in the D players. That tells me plenty about what is going on behind the scenes we aren’t privy to. Thing is...I was first to come out and say trade up for our franchise QB and get Wentz. So I understand how important the position is. I’d rather have Mahomes than Hurts. Just no doubt. But I’ve seen enough football to know any QB needs a team to make him look good. I don’t want Hurts to play like he did last season. He was running for his life behind an Oline that couldn’t be trusted. So bash him for one read...and take off. But from what I saw that was a wise move. Sure there were times he could have hung in the pocket more. That comes with trust in the blocking. Wentz had a huge arm. But his touch and accuracy wasn’t anything of legend. I’d like to see a more timing based offense. 1,2,3 and throw. Pretty unguardable when you get receivers working on that page. I think Hurts can do that very well. I think our receivers respond to Hurts. That goes a long ways.

Hurts has been in big games. What I saw from his little play last season: this stage isn’t too big for him. You know he’s going to work his butt off. I can work with that.

Hurts improved every year in college. Why would you think that wouldn’t continue?

I have more questions about our coaches . Best I can say about them is they are young and hungry and hard working. 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He went against the best defense in the league(arguably) in the Saints. I refuse to defend Hurts from the Tank Game. The team was setup to fail. Tom Brady himself would have looked like a rookie.

Stop... the Saints came out flat,  he threw the pick 6 that would have lost the game and it was dropped.    Every second half he was awful.. .all 4.   The element of surprise with the run was gone and he had nothing.  Why don't you trust the eyes instead of reading a Stat sheet that you know was inflated with guys being left open and wrong gaps on tackles leading to a bunch of YAC that has nothing to do with the passing.  

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Do you realize it’s a team game ?

Yes, its why the guy in Indy looked bad here.   Because the team stunk around him.  

The annoying part for me...is that there is a group of fans that want to test this by putting such impossible surroundings around him with a changing OL each week of alternating 3rd stringers, changing the WRs each week, having both RBs out and having both TEs out... yet they want him to perform well...and complain about hero ball when throwing it away is more of a way to just make your stats look less worse , not for your completely outmanned team to have a chance to win.  

I prefer the idea of seeing with the eyes how one actually did perform with a decent supporting cast and then simply getting annoyed at the front office for failing to put one there the last 2 years.

Because we know the ceiling is MVP level.   Now for those same fans to see a guy they readily admit does not have the high ceiling, the fact they seem happy to have him after seeing such pathetic passing...to me I find both baffling and annoying.   Especially after constant complaining about minor issues like Nate Gerry or Shariff Miller. 

21 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Stop... the Saints came out flat,  he threw the pick 6 that would have lost the game and it was dropped.    Every second half he was awful.. .all 4.   The element of surprise with the run was gone and he had nothing.  Why don't you trust the eyes instead of reading a Stat sheet that you know was inflated with guys being left open and wrong gaps on tackles leading to a bunch of YAC that has nothing to do with the passing.  

So that doesn’t go both ways though? You didn’t see Toth and Pryor as both his tackles getting abused consistently?

   And why do you get playmakers with speed and agility? I think it’s so they take advantage of any mistakes and take it to the house. But no....you punish the rook because you want to blame the defense on a mistake.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So that doesn’t go both ways though? You didn’t see Toth and Pryor as both his tackles getting abused consistently?

But it's no excuse for the guy before him?

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes, its why the guy in Indy looked bad here.   Because the team stunk around him.  

The annoying part for me...is that there is a group of fans that want to test this by putting such impossible surroundings around him with a changing OL each week of alternating 3rd stringers, changing the WRs each week, having both RBs out and having both TEs out... yet they want him to perform well...and complain about hero ball when throwing it away is more of a way to just make your stats look less worse , not for your completely outmanned team to have a chance to win.  

I prefer the idea of seeing with the eyes how one actually did perform with a decent supporting cast and then simply getting annoyed at the front office for failing to put one there the last 2 years.

Because we know the ceiling is MVP level.   Now for those same fans to see a guy they readily admit does not have the high ceiling, the fact they seem happy to have him after seeing such pathetic passing...to me I find both baffling and annoying.   Especially after constant complaining about minor issues like Nate Gerry or Shariff Miller. 

BS...on throwing the ball away is for stats. Make a good decision instead of a poor one and live to fight another day. Down multiple scores in the second half..,,like Hurts had to deal with? Yes chuck it up. Screw stats. Going for the win. End of the half you throw a Hail Mary that’s intercepted? Big deal.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But it's no excuse for the guy before him?

I never blamed Wentz for everything. In fact ....I’m the one that was first on here saying we aren’t good enough. Don’t like these moves. Going down hill fast. Getting old. Clear the dang cap. Those are more my words.

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Stop... the Saints came out flat,  he threw the pick 6 that would have lost the game and it was dropped.    Every second half he was awful.. .all 4.   The element of surprise with the run was gone and he had nothing.  Why don't you trust the eyes instead of reading a Stat sheet that you know was inflated with guys being left open and wrong gaps on tackles leading to a bunch of YAC that has nothing to do with the passing.  

When you say "the Saints came out flat”. You know what I thought? We came out with some extra juice behind Hurts. Our team was ready to roll.

The ceiling is MVP level. And the team won a SB without him.

But he only played like an MVP for a tiny bit of his career. I could pick out the good times with Foles as much. Killed it for us for his first season. Then came in and took us to a SB victory. Then the next year....willed us to the playoffs....after your boy wasn’t looking good. I believed in Wentz. But he is what he is. The good and the bad. He seemed to have extremes in both directions.

31 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Stop... the Saints came out flat,  he threw the pick 6 that would have lost the game and it was dropped.    Every second half he was awful.. .all 4.   The element of surprise with the run was gone and he had nothing.  Why don't you trust the eyes instead of reading a Stat sheet that you know was inflated with guys being left open and wrong gaps on tackles leading to a bunch of YAC that has nothing to do with the passing.  

Element of surprise with the run? Seriously? These are professionals. And they were shocked by the first time seeing a QB that has wheels? Please. Weak argument at best.

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

BS...on throwing the ball away is for stats. Make a good decision instead of a poor one and live to fight another day. Down multiple scores in the second half..,,like Hurts had to deal with? Yes chuck it up. Screw stats. Going for the win. End of the half you throw a Hail Mary that’s intercepted? Big deal.

 

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

When you say "the Saints came out flat”. You know what I thought? We came out with some extra juice behind Hurts. Our team was ready to roll.

The ceiling is MVP level. And the team won a SB without him.

The team won a couple games without him.  Let's stop right now with the BS that the season is not a journey from September to February.   This is the exact stupidity of the fanbase that annoys me.  

21 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Element of surprise with the run? Seriously? These are professionals. And they were shocked by the first time seeing a QB that has wheels? Please. Weak argument at best.

First time seeing any player live is different...  please,  you are experienced fan, I expect better from you.   The eyes ... running first halves, some success...  contained running the second half,  offense struggled.   4 times.   If it was a mixed bag without the same pattern would be less of a concern,  just a hot or cold thing that happens.  But the pattern absolutely means something.  The Dallas game was the low point.   But hey, let's obsess over one lob pass to DeSean that was played horribly by the safety and let everything else slide...lol.

27 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But he only played like an MVP for a tiny bit of his career. I could pick out the good times with Foles as much. Killed it for us for his first season. Then came in and took us to a SB victory. Then the next year....willed us to the playoffs....after your boy wasn’t looking good. I believed in Wentz. But he is what he is. The good and the bad. He seemed to have extremes in both directions.

I think we get clarity in a few years.  Just have to wait.  

32 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

 

The team won a couple games without him.  Let's stop right now with the BS that the season is not a journey from September to February.   This is the exact stupidity of the fanbase that annoys me.  

Those ‘couple of games’ are called the playoffs and the Super Bowl. You know...the postseason. Something Wentz knows nothing about.

30 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

First time seeing any player live is different...  please,  you are experienced fan, I expect better from you.   The eyes ... running first halves, some success...  contained running the second half,  offense struggled.   4 times.   If it was a mixed bag without the same pattern would be less of a concern,  just a hot or cold thing that happens.  But the pattern absolutely means something.  The Dallas game was the low point.   But hey, let's obsess over one lob pass to DeSean that was played horribly by the safety and let everything else slide...lol.

Too bad Wentz couldn’t find the open guy more. Probably wouldn’t be having this conversation

I don’t feel like Wentz can do better than than Rivers who accepted his arm was shot and retired after the season. We’ll see how much better he is than the old washed up retired guy was.

They should be SB bound the way you talk.

Wentz is super durable. Great touch. His accuracy was outstanding. His leadership was impeccable. Every guy ready to lay down on the sword for him. Never got any coach fired.

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Team was terrible. He made some egg salad out of some broken eggs.

But I’m not going to act like he was great. Just a solid starting point from which I could work.

Lmao Hurt is the one who broke the eggs completely missing the bowl on his throws. What makes this all funnier to me is oh the roster was terrible for Hurts but for Wentz it was his fault.

Right now our starting point is a RB at QB with fumbling issues. Again very inaccurate, poor pocket presence(yes OL wasn’t great but he ran out way to soon on numerous occasions into pressure), didn’t read the field great.

There a reason this Eagles team doesn’t have a ton of faith in Hurts and is being connected to literally every QB available. Hurts needs A LOT. Of work in terms of being a QB