2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Still not a fan of him at RG oh well see what happens if we have a season 

He has zero history there ... I'll give my opinion after I see at least one snap.  

Didn't we try Seu at RG and he really sucked?

37 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

He has zero history there ... I'll give my opinion after I see at least one snap.  

my reason for why not a fan of him at RG doesn’t have anything to do with how well I think he can play the spot... also if you want to be technical yes JP does have at least 1 snap at G lol 

35 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Didn't we try Seu at RG and he really sucked?

I want Semaulo as the 6th man especially with our recent injury histories on the OL....Paired with the Eagles tendencies for during games not liking to move starters already in place ie Lane goes down we not going to move JP to RT then have a new starter at RG to view that as essentially replacing two players on the OL they tend to favor just replacing the injured guy 

Id go JP at LG and Pryor at RG with Semaulo as the 6th man. Not sure how Semaulo would feel on that but to me not a knock on his player more of a praise because he is the guy I’d trust the most to play all 5 position coming off the bench.

 

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I want Semaulo as the 6th man especially with our recent injury histories on the OL....Paired with the Eagles tendencies for during games not liking to move starters already in place ie Lane goes down we not going to move JP to RT then have a new starter at RG to view that as essentially replacing two players on the OL they tend to favor just replacing the injured guy 

Id go JP at LG and Pryor at RG with Semaulo as the 6th man. Not sure how Semaulo would feel on that but to me not a knock on his player more of a praise because he is the guy I’d trust the most to play all 5 position coming off the bench.

 

Pretty nice pay for a 6th man... and then putting the cheap option is as a starter?

You would put a guy with 4 years experience, including being the starter the last 2 seasons and take him out for a guy who filled in a couple of games last year and have basically 2 guys without much experience at playing G on the NFL level? 

Also, if one guy in one of your top 5 OL.. why would you sit him just waiting for an injury?  

When I was kid, we were having a discussion about the Georgetown basketball team... my neighbor said that Ralph Daulton was the key player for that team... the back up center/ pwoer forward.   At the time they had a guy named Patrick Ewing.    This logic sounds similar to his.    I'd prefer to play my best 5 guys at the start, when an injury occurs, the 6th best guy goes in.  In the vent Lane gets injured (on top of Brooks already being out) it's a huge blow anyway.  If you have to put in Pryor ... I have no issue if he plays RT, RG or LG.  And you can move the other 2 however you want.   But to sit Isaac at this point is kinda silly logic.  Imagine the message sent ... you are better than the other player, but we need to sit you and play him?   Think of the big picture there.   Kind of like putting your OL coach at defensive coordinator? 

 

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Still not a fan of him at RG oh well see what happens if we have a season 

Well,I'm trusting the coaching staff knows more than we do lol

45 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Pretty nice pay for a 6th man... and then putting the cheap option is as a starter?

You would put a guy with 4 years experience, including being the starter the last 2 seasons and take him out for a guy who filled in a couple of games last year and have basically 2 guys without much experience at playing G on the NFL level? 

Also, if one guy in one of your top 5 OL.. why would you sit him just waiting for an injury?  

When I was kid, we were having a discussion about the Georgetown basketball team... my neighbor said that Ralph Daulton was the key player for that team... the back up center/ pwoer forward.   At the time they had a guy named Patrick Ewing.    This logic sounds similar to his.    I'd prefer to play my best 5 guys at the start, when an injury occurs, the 6th best guy goes in.  In the vent Lane gets injured (on top of Brooks already being out) it's a huge blow anyway.  If you have to put in Pryor ... I have no issue if he plays RT, RG or LG.  And you can move the other 2 however you want.   But to sit Isaac at this point is kinda silly logic.  Imagine the message sent ... you are better than the other player, but we need to sit you and play him?   Think of the big picture there.   Kind of like putting your OL coach at defensive coordinator? 

 

IDK,if I recall,we had hopes for Seu to take over at C at one time.Perhaps that changed,but possibly why he is still sticking around? IDK personally,maybe someone else does.I also have high hopes for Opeta.he looked ok before he went down

I think you misunderstood. I never said Doug is a bad HC. I think hes a very good HC. I think he is a poor OC. If he took the Bill Belicheat and Tom Coughin approach like he did in 2017 and gave up a lot of responsibility he would have more success. This offense would run more efficient in the right hands which we saw was the case with Frank in 2017. Its no secret Frank was given game playing and scripting the first 15 plays which in turn is play calling. Result, number 1 offense in the league, 1st in first half points. No other year under Doug have we came in the top 10. So it obviously worked. 

The question I answered was " How is Frank doing in Indy?" He is doing well if you look. 10-6 season 1 with no RBs and one weapon in TY Hilton who was out a good amount. Season 2 he lost his QB to retirement in the preseason. Little too late to find a replacement at that point. He still did just as well as the Eagles in passing and running, actually a hair better avgs with again no name RBs and no offensive weapons or even a QB. So yes, i think Frank is doing quite well. 

20 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I think you misunderstood. I never said Doug is a bad HC. I think hes a very good HC. I think he is a poor OC. If he took the Bill Belicheat and Tom Coughin approach like he did in 2017 and gave up a lot of responsibility he would have more success. This offense would run more efficient in the right hands which we saw was the case with Frank in 2017. Its no secret Frank was given game playing and scripting the first 15 plays which in turn is play calling. Result, number 1 offense in the league, 1st in first half points. No other year under Doug have we came in the top 10. So it obviously worked. 

The question I answered was " How is Frank doing in Indy?" He is doing well if you look. 10-6 season 1 with no RBs and one weapon in TY Hilton who was out a good amount. Season 2 he lost his QB to retirement in the preseason. Little too late to find a replacement at that point. He still did just as well as the Eagles in passing and running, actually a hair better avgs with again no name RBs and no offensive weapons or even a QB. So yes, i think Frank is doing quite well. 

The key there is how the other guy that you want him to give up responsibility to does .... it's not a guarantee either way is it?   It worked with Reich, might not work going forward or with whatever the 2018 & 2019 group was?    It's a nice thought, but even times with Belichek he takes more responsibility for a specific group at times.  The blanket statement doesn't work for me.  

24 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

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The question I answered was " How is Frank doing in Indy?" He is doing well if you look. 10-6 season 1 with no RBs and one weapon in TY Hilton who was out a good amount. Season 2 he lost his QB to retirement in the preseason. Little too late to find a replacement at that point. He still did just as well as the Eagles in passing and running, actually a hair better avgs with again no name RBs and no offensive weapons or even a QB. So yes, i think Frank is doing quite well. 

That's great, you see the issues Reich had with injuries but not Doug?   To me, it's not Doug's fault he lost Reich.  They worked well together, but it's not uncommon for new assistants not to have the same success as the previous one... on top of not having the same healthy players..etc.  

48 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

That's great, you see the issues Reich had with injuries but not Doug?   To me, it's not Doug's fault he lost Reich.  They worked well together, but it's not uncommon for new assistants not to have the same success as the previous one... on top of not having the same healthy players..etc.  

You keep going on a rant in a different direction then what the topic was on, lol. I never said Doug was a poor coach and should be blamed. So why would i have to address issue with injuries tied to Doug? Im not allowed to have a view on how I wish he would go back to giving up more to other coaches to maximise success which was proven to work? . Doug's offense has been the same for 3 of the 4 years. Even in 2016 was the same as 18 and 19 with pretty much no excuse of injuries. Every team has injuries, etc. yes it effects the offense and the play but stats dont lie and all 3 years Doug fully ran the offense we were par. The one year he gave up some big responsibilities, we had a massive amount of success. that speaks pretty loudly. So the view To me is until I see Doug have that top 10 offense when hes calling all the shots, I still will feel the same that he needs to give up some aspect of it. To me he has too much on his plate. Heres a fun fact. Every year Belicheat ran the defense they did not make the SB. Id like to take my chances going back to what we had our best success in. yes it depends on the coach you give it to but its that or a high chance of Dougs offense which we have 3 years of stats on with and without injuries. 

Pedey has given game prep responsibilities to his assistant coaches. He’s kept the same structure the whole time. But he lost DeFelippo and Reich. Groh was a part of that process during the SB winning year. Groh and Staley has to step up in their place. Groh clearly doesn’t have the experience that Reich has. An obvious learning curve was there. So it’s fair to say he wasn’t as good. We didn’t get off to early starts from incredible game planning. That’s all fair. Not on Pedey really. He has the same structure just less experienced minds executing it. Now is the first time it appears he is changing the structure.

I would be prepping Peters at RT. Get him plenty of reps there so he can be that potential swing T replacement. I’d only be looking to get a few games out of Peters. But get them at Left or Right side Tackle would be good use of his experience. He’s been missing snaps, if not whole games, for the last several years. So being a 18 or 19 game starter feels like purely dreamland thinking.

   That way we are getting the young guys plenty of reps at G. Crucial reps with the starters. Got to find that best option in a short period of time if the Oline continuity is to be maintained. It’s the only option. Pryor the front runner needs every rep and opportunity. This also could get Opeta and Driscoll those quality second team reps. Hard to become a starter from the third string. Got to get these guys in the mix.

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I would be prepping Peters at RT. Get him plenty of reps there so he can be that potential swing T replacement. I’d only be looking to get a few games out of Peters. But get them at Left or Right side Tackle would be good use of his experience. He’s been missing snaps, if not whole games, for the last several years. So being a 18 or 19 game starter feels like purely dreamland thinking.

   That way we are getting the young guys plenty of reps at G. Crucial reps with the starters. Got to find that best option in a short period of time if the Oline continuity is to be maintained. It’s the only option. Pryor the front runner needs every rep and opportunity. This also could get Opeta and Driscoll those quality second team reps. Hard to become a starter from the third string. Got to get these guys in the mix.

Peters needs practice reps? lmao. If the young guys suck why give them more reps they can suck at at OG? Either you can do the job or you can't.I liked Opeta's ceiling.Once again though we are facing the annual question of "can we keep guys on the field"? I'm hoping on the O line we aren't experimenting into the start of the season and while experience and snaps make you better,they all better be ready to roll in week 1.If they don't think we have the personnel to do this,they best be making a move to GET someone NOW who CAN,and once again,I feel the JP move was because(despite the rhetoric) we aren't sure about Dillard.This is a CYA move in my view.If all goes well at LT,then JP at G.The covid makes it more difficult.At least with JP,we know who we have 

Hey GB, weird seeing the NC! How's the new place coming along?

Not that JP needs reps, it's they all need reps together - team sport, remember? I know, it's been a while. I don't remember JP ever lining up on Lanes' left or Kelces' right. Also have to see what the best left side combo will be as it's unproven.

1 hour ago, mjkline1958 said:

Hey GB, weird seeing the NC! How's the new place coming along?

Not that JP needs reps, it's they all need reps together - team sport, remember? I know, it's been a while. I don't remember JP ever lining up on Lanes' left or Kelces' right. Also have to see what the best left side combo will be as it's unproven.

Doing ok.Still on mostly lockdown here,so can't get out to a "pub" which sucks immensely.None really worth it anyhow.If I was younger I would open my own and make it an Eagles nest 😁. I think any other player would need to adjust to JP's play style,not the other way around.He is strong,not as agile as he once was, and basically I see it as a move for the run right game.He would be a fairly IMMOVABLE object lol

If I am the birdgang,I am still looking at Griffin

On 7/15/2020 at 1:18 PM, mjkline1958 said:

Didn't we try Seu at RG and he really sucked?

Wasn't that in his rookie year where they were bouncing him all across the line like a pinball?

That's a sure recipe for failure

On 7/15/2020 at 5:46 PM, DeathByEagle said:

You keep going on a rant in a different direction then what the topic was on, lol. I never said Doug was a poor coach and should be blamed. So why would i have to address issue with injuries tied to Doug? Im not allowed to have a view on how I wish he would go back to giving up more to other coaches to maximise success which was proven to work? . Doug's offense has been the same for 3 of the 4 years. Even in 2016 was the same as 18 and 19 with pretty much no excuse of injuries. Every team has injuries, etc. yes it effects the offense and the play but stats dont lie and all 3 years Doug fully ran the offense we were par. The one year he gave up some big responsibilities, we had a massive amount of success. that speaks pretty loudly. So the view To me is until I see Doug have that top 10 offense when hes calling all the shots, I still will feel the same that he needs to give up some aspect of it. To me he has too much on his plate. Heres a fun fact. Every year Belicheat ran the defense they did not make the SB. Id like to take my chances going back to what we had our best success in. yes it depends on the coach you give it to but its that or a high chance of Dougs offense which we have 3 years of stats on with and without injuries. 

I'll address this one with ease.    

1. Forget injuries then ... look at the roster and who was playing.   The skill position players in 2017 were by far the best we have had here in a long while.  Both in talent and more importantly how they functioned with each other.  Starting with the healthy QB.  Then going to the WR group which had healthy and prime age options .... Alshon a top possession guy, Smith a top speed guy, and Agholor who functions best when he gets space.   3 TEs that all did different things well.    Now with that, much easier to run the ball.  But look at the RB situation.  The committee in 2017 was head and shoulders above anything the last 4 years.    PLAYERS MATTER.  Better players make the coach look better.   2017 head and shoulders from a roster standpoint of who was on the field.   Plus the OL played healthy and was younger and more stable in 2017.   So instead of saying injuries... just look at who was playing if it makes you feel better.  

2.  I liked the way Doug had given responsibilities to his staff.  He called the plays though.  They helped him put the script together.  He was very hands on the whole 4 years.   Now the difference, we both have confidence in the Doug/Reich combo ... for you, you just want Doug to give responsibility to whoever else they have... for me, I don't think it's that easy to find a guy to fill in for Reich.  The combo of his talent as an OC, but also how he worked with Doug.   I don't think just sharing responsibility will work... unless it's the right guy.   We can agree to disagree there.  Maybe we are both happy this year, if they have the right guy in there and he helps Doug.  That would be great.  But for me, just that idea of sharing, doesn't work for me, it has to be the right guy.   Healthy players would be great too, especially at RB.  

But I will also add ... losing DeFilippo and moving Groh away from the WRs was also a factor.   Adding all these together, very easy to see why 2017 had more success, not simply just Doug sharing and that Reich was such a genius.  

 

I think being a guard could extend JP's career more than 2 years. 2021, I see:

Dillard - Peters - Kelce - Brooks - Johnson

If dillard takes a step forward this year, that's the best OL in the league, in 2021

11 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'll address this one with ease.    

1. Forget injuries then ... look at the roster and who was playing.   The skill position players in 2017 were by far the best we have had here in a long while.  Both in talent and more importantly how they functioned with each other.  Starting with the healthy QB.  Then going to the WR group which had healthy and prime age options .... Alshon a top possession guy, Smith a top speed guy, and Agholor who functions best when he gets space.   3 TEs that all did different things well.    Now with that, much easier to run the ball.  But look at the RB situation.  The committee in 2017 was head and shoulders above anything the last 4 years.    PLAYERS MATTER.  Better players make the coach look better.   2017 head and shoulders from a roster standpoint of who was on the field.   Plus the OL played healthy and was younger and more stable in 2017.   So instead of saying injuries... just look at who was playing if it makes you feel better.  

2.  I liked the way Doug had given responsibilities to his staff.  He called the plays though.  They helped him put the script together.  He was very hands on the whole 4 years.   Now the difference, we both have confidence in the Doug/Reich combo ... for you, you just want Doug to give responsibility to whoever else they have... for me, I don't think it's that easy to find a guy to fill in for Reich.  The combo of his talent as an OC, but also how he worked with Doug.   I don't think just sharing responsibility will work... unless it's the right guy.   We can agree to disagree there.  Maybe we are both happy this year, if they have the right guy in there and he helps Doug.  That would be great.  But for me, just that idea of sharing, doesn't work for me, it has to be the right guy.   Healthy players would be great too, especially at RB.  

But I will also add ... losing DeFilippo and moving Groh away from the WRs was also a factor.   Adding all these together, very easy to see why 2017 had more success, not simply just Doug sharing and that Reich was such a genius.  

 

We will agree to disagree then

I felt the 2018 roster had plenty of talent. WRs had Alshon, Nelson, Golden Tate, Jordan Matthews. 17 We had Smith instead of Golden Tate. Smith I felt was a below avg WR. He had speed, thats about it. So I felt our 2018 recs were better then 17. the fact "They couldnt figure out how to use a extremely good WR to get him ont he field" was telling. he was the most talented WR ont he team and they couldnt figure out how to get him in. I think we had better TEs in 18 with Etrz, Goedert. Yea 17 Burton was nice, Celek wasnt much anymore, but I would take Ertz and Goedert all day long. The one area Ill give 17 had was RBs. 18 We lost Sproles, Ajai, and Clements after week 2. So Ill give 17 the big edge there. QB, hey Foles was a drop from Wentz and I know Wentz came back way to early. But Foles was still a decent QB, better then some starters out there. But we also had Wentz in 19 and he played amazing with what he had in a scheme. To put up the numbers he did in a ding and dunk offense shows how good that kid is. 

As for Doug play calling. he gave away the scripting and game planning to Frank fully. He did it right after week 2 lost to Chiefs. He said it right on TV. So in turn that mean Doug did not call the first 15 plays of the game since they were scripted by Frank which is the key to the whole thing. When Doug game plans and scripts we have one of the worst teams in the lg in first half points. The rosters we went over above. I feel 18 was a pretty good roster other then RB. But look at RB in 19, was just as good as 17. WRs went down big. Key to me is Doug didnt know what he had in Frank till he gave him the nod. You are never going to know what you have in these coaches if he doesnt try. We know what we have in Doug when he calls plays, game plans and scripts. Mid level offense always having to come back in the 2nd half. Id personally rather give a shot to one of the other 20 offensive coaches in taking over that part of it. Could it be worse? yea. Could it be better like in 17? yea. Won't know till you try it. I have enough sample size from Doug to know im willing to make that change. 

I say Pederson is a much better offensive mind than Reich. That’s my two cents. I believe Pedey is elite! But I think Reich brought a great synergy together with Pedey. After Reich gets fired in two more years I’d welcome him back as OC.

JP greatest strength as an ALL World LT is his mentoring of our Young Guys. Nine Pro bowls .I wantPryor to get the start at RG.. Our youth need to get on the field ... JP can get practice reps and play RG if Pryor goes down. The Young can't Only get on the field due to injury. We need some of these young to Win the position.

Some Eagles news.

They only have four TEs on the roster now, and Perkins and Ertz are more big receivers than TEs.

Noah Togiai is a guy who looks like he could easily make the roster, since he has a lot of athleticism and played in a two TE offense at Oregon State. He looks like a decent blocker, inasmuch as I didn't see anyone manhandle him or blow past him. He caught 70 percent of his targets, so decent hands as well. He had a draftable grade by some scouts, and I think if they had drafted him in the sixth or seventh round, no one would have been critical of it.    

Overall, we say we are primarily a two TE offense, but realistically Ertz is more of a big receiver/hback in our offense. So I see his backup being JJAW more than the third TE.

So the depth chart at TE right now would be Goedert and Togiai, and at the "big receiver spot" Ertz, JJAW and Perkins with Jeffery on PUP. 

3 hours ago, Trini said:

JP greatest strength as an ALL World LT is his mentoring of our Young Guys. Nine Pro bowls .I wantPryor to get the start at RG.. Our youth need to get on the field ... JP can get practice reps and play RG if Pryor goes down. The Young can't Only get on the field due to injury. We need some of these young to Win the position.

JP is starting,why else would we spend the money?