2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Takes two to tango in trades so if Philly wanted to trade up would have to be a partner that is looking to move back right now that is Detroit maybe Carolina but if I’m either of those teams I’m looking at what Miami gave up a 3rd isn’t getting it done minimum your looking at this years 2nd 

  True, so I would guess that the Eagles do not make that deal then. I cannot see them trading up to 7 in any case. I could see 9 if Denver cannot move up and their player is gone.....

Just now, stine said:

  True, so I would guess that the Eagles do not make that deal then. I cannot see them trading up to 7 in any case. I could see 9 if Denver cannot move up and their player is gone.....

I’m going by what reports are saying not saying it happens or doesn’t but that is the new rumor spreading around 

We could steal Surtain. I would not move up for a WR either at this point 

3 hours ago, stine said:

  I was just stating the obvious. Wentz played like crap. He held onto the ball longer than any other QB, instead of tossing it away if no one was open. He forced the ball to Ertz even when other WR's were wide open. He made his team look worse than it was because he played so awful. It was like he forgot what he learned the past 3 years. You can make all of the excuses you like. Fact remains he played like crap. Would he have done better had the O-Line stayed in tact? Maybe, But I doubt you would have seen anything like previous years. Don't get me wrong. Wentz has all of the ability in the world. He already showed that. Problem is he acted like a child when the FO drafted a QB in the 2nd round. Wentz had a history of injuries and Eagles wanted  someone in case he got injured again. I did not like it at all. I wanted them to draft a player that would play every day, not an insurance policy. But I understand why they did it.

I don't get the Ertz thing for 2020?   He forced the ball to Ertz?  Ertz was basically invisible all year?  I must have watched a different season?  

3 hours ago, stine said:

BTW, I think Manning was the better QB. I think the outcome would have been the same had the QB's switched teams.

I also think both QB's would have played better had a QB been drafted in the 2nd round of the previous draft... Not like crap

So the issue that we completely understood back when fans had brains...  was that the Saints stunk.   There wasn't a reason why we had to bend over backwards to look for an excuse to blame Archie.... pre BS media making everything have to be a major thing.  We simply understood as fans, the Saints had a good QB playing on an absolutely brutal team.   

But yeah,  it was the draft pick that was the absolute major factor....lol.   

I haven't been this excited for a football season in a long time.    Can't wait til September.    Will be interesting to see the media whipping boy this year.   

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don't get the Ertz thing for 2020?   He forced the ball to Ertz?  Ertz was basically invisible all year?  I must have watched a different season?  

Exactly. He tossed the ball to Ertz 45 times in the first 6 games for 24 completions. This when normally he is a sure thing. Problem is Ertz is gonna have a hard time making a catch when he is double teamed...

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So the issue that we completely understood back when fans had brains...  was that the Saints stunk.   There wasn't a reason why we had to bend over backwards to look for an excuse to blame Archie.... pre BS media making everything have to be a major thing.  We simply understood as fans, the Saints had a good QB playing on an absolutely brutal team.   

But yeah,  it was the draft pick that was the absolute major factor....lol.   

You are comparing apples and oranges. Archie had multiple bad seasons. Heck he had a bad career! Wentz had 3 good seasons and then took a nosedive. He was arguably the worst in the league. You blame the O-Line. What about in 2019? The O-Line was a mash tent that year also. Yet Wentz played OK. Huh,  Go figure....

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I haven't been this excited for a football season in a long time.    Can't wait til September.    Will be interesting to see the media whipping boy this year.   

Like anything else, You play like crap, you deserve to hear it. Maybe we should review 2019....

 

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/1/5/21048144/philadelphia-eagles-injuries-list-nfl-playoffs-carson-wentz-seattle-seahawks

 

Wait, The Eagles were decimated by injuries, yet Wentz played Good!  How did that happen? LMAO!!!

1 hour ago, stine said:

You blame the O-Line. What about in 2019? The O-Line was a mash tent that year also. Yet Wentz played OK. Huh,  Go figure....

I mean 2019 vs 2020 OL there is a massive difference we had a new starters every week in 2020.

In 19 Lane missed a couple games JP missed some games but it’s lot easier to cover one spot not multiple spots.

Core interior in 19 didn’t miss games Semualo play every game as did Kelce and Brooks played all 16 regular season games got injured last week if I recall.

JP played 13 games and Lane played 12 games and don’t believe they missed the same weeks so really only covering up 1 spot 

36 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I mean 2019 vs 2020 OL there is a massive difference we had a new starters every week in 2020.

In 19 Lane missed a couple games JP missed some games but it’s lot easier to cover one spot not multiple spots.

Core interior in 19 didn’t miss games Semualo play every game as did Kelce and Brooks played all 16 regular season games got injured last week if I recall.

JP played 13 games and Lane played 12 games and don’t believe they missed the same weeks so really only covering up 1 spot 

     Over 158 games missed by eagles starters in 2019. They brought up PS players for WR. The RB's were hurt all year. Johnson missed 4 games Brooks one and Not sure about Peters, but fact is Wentz had no one to throw to, yet he played much better than last year. Point I am trying to make is we all keep talking about Wentz having no support. Well he had less when it came to people to throw the ball to, yet he had a very solid season.

    You say our O-Line played terrible, yet they were 3rd in Rushing yards per attempt. You cannot say the reason Wentz played bad was due to injuries when you look at 2019. If he was slightly worse I can see it, but the dude was the worse QB in the League! When you take an average time of 3.27 Seconds to get the ball out, no O-Line is going to protect you all game....

That is second longest time for all NFL QB's last year.

12 minutes ago, stine said:

You say our O-Line played terrible, yet they were 3rd in Rushing yards per attempt. You cannot say the reason Wentz played bad was due to injuries when you look at 2019. If he was slightly worse I can see it, but the dude was the worse QB in the League! When you take an average time of 3.27 Seconds to get the ball out, no O-Line is going to protect you all game.

Didn’t say anything about injuries just stated the difference in the OL from 19-20

As for rush yards per attempt that’s great but if you don’t run to utilize it it’s moot 

14 minutes ago, stine said:

That is second longest time for all NFL QB's last year.

There is also a stat that he was the list sacked QB in under 2.5 secs 

16 minutes ago, stine said:

Over 158 games missed by eagles starters in 2019. They brought up PS players for WR. The RB's were hurt all year. Johnson missed 4 games Brooks one and Not sure about Peters, but fact is Wentz had no one to throw to, yet he played much better than last year. Point I am trying to make is we all keep talking about Wentz having no support. Well he had less when it came to people to throw the ball to, yet he had a very solid season.

Again missing the fact it was one guy out on the OL not an ever changing unit as in 20 that is huge in terms of the OL. By itself nothing else. 
 

if we want to look at the rest of the injuries RB he had either Sanders or Howard in 19 that a far cry from no sanders and Scott. He had Ertz and Geodart basically all year. 
 

We all know Rosie is exploring ALL options. You need to know what’s going on even if you aren’t going to actually be a part of it. You need to know what the prices are for your varying options. I believe everything is on the table.

And yes, I really believe in Day Two of the draft. Always the most crucial day. This year’s draft is very unique. No combine. Plenty of players didn’t even play this past season. Couldn’t really get access to players. So it’s a hard draft. Which is good and bad. Really great chance of quality players slipping to Day Three.

 

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

There is also a stat that he was the list sacked QB in under 2.5 secs 

OK, so if that is true and he averaged 3.27 Seconds, Just how long is he holding it other times?

It’s not all on the offensive line, though. Wentz had the second-longest time to throw among quarterbacks who played before Monday night’s games. He took on average 3.27 seconds to get the ball out, a lot of time to ask a patchwork line to hold up. Part of the problem is the Eagles’ inability to consistently get into manageable third downs, but it’s still worth keeping in mind just how long Wentz is holding the ball when you’re criticizing the offensive line.

 

A good breakdown of Smith with guest appearances by Stokes and Campbell.

Alabama WR DeVonta Smith Film Breakdown - YouTube

I would be thrilled with a combo of Smith and Stokes/Campbell. I think Smith falls to us because of his size, and we should run to the podium if that happens. A great point illustrated in the video is how he comes back for the ball on curls and digs, something our receivers were absolutely crap at last year.

   

BG, I understand that the O-Line caused issues. I just feel that was not the main reason for his terrible year. There were numerous articles where they broke down Wentz's plays which showed his bad Technique, there was also one that broke down every sack. Some were blamed on the Line, others were RB's and many were Wentz. There is just so much to decipher when you look at his season. To just say the O-Line was the reason is not fair IMO......

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

A good breakdown of Smith with guest appearances by Stokes and Campbell.

Alabama WR DeVonta Smith Film Breakdown - YouTube

I would be thrilled with a combo of Smith and Stokes/Campbell. I think Smith falls to us because of his size, and we should run to the podium if that happens. A great point illustrated in the video is how he comes back for the ball on curls and digs, something our receivers were absolutely crap at last year.

   

I'll pass at 12....

2 hours ago, stine said:

Exactly. He tossed the ball to Ertz 45 times in the first 6 games for 24 completions. This when normally he is a sure thing. Problem is Ertz is gonna have a hard time making a catch when he is double teamed...

How many games did Ertz lead the Eagles in targets?  Zero... the ball was not forced to Ertz in 2020.

2 hours ago, stine said:

You are comparing apples and oranges. Archie had multiple bad seasons. Heck he had a bad career! Wentz had 3 good seasons and then took a nosedive. He was arguably the worst in the league. You blame the O-Line. What about in 2019? The O-Line was a mash tent that year also. Yet Wentz played OK. Huh,  Go figure....

I blame EVERY THING  that stepped on the field offensively for the Eagles in 2020.     All 11 positions had players who played their absolute first NFL snap....  there was no off-season for these first time players.   On top of that,  multiple guys were getting hurt and in and out of the lineup 

Basically what I'm saying....for both Wentz and Doug... they went through what no other QB or offensive coach had ever gone through before...ever.    It's why seeing them take the brunt of the blame or a draft pick...to me seems stupid.

But I also have a history of knowing the Eagles PR ... they are excellent at getting out any narrative that passes blame.     The real stuff came out last week, which if anyone payed attention,  has been pretty consistent from the " group of reporters " who have covered the team for years.  Not a Peter King national guy that gets ideas from the front office "sources" 

It's still the same principals as kids playing in the back yard... it takes a team to win.  The coach or QB can't do it all without anything to work with.  And even harder if it keeps changing each week.

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I blame EVERY THING  that stepped on the field offensively for the Eagles in 2020.     All 11 positions had players who played their absolute first NFL snap....  there was no off-season for these first time players.   On top of that,  multiple guys were getting hurt and in and out of the lineup 

Basically what I'm saying....for both Wentz and Doug... they went through what no other QB or offensive coach had ever gone through before...ever.    It's why seeing them take the brunt of the blame or a draft pick...to me seems stupid.

But I also have a history of knowing the Eagles PR ... they are excellent at getting out any narrative that passes blame.     The real stuff came out last week, which if anyone payed attention,  has been pretty consistent from the " group of reporters " who have covered the team for years.  Not a Peter King national guy that gets ideas from the front office "sources" 

It's still the same principals as kids playing in the back yard... it takes a team to win.  The coach or QB can't do it all without anything to work with.  And even harder if it keeps changing each week.

  Wentz did nothing wrong. He was playing poorly because everyone else was to blame....Give me a break....

20 minutes ago, stine said:

 

OK, so if that is true and he averaged 3.27 Seconds, Just how long is he holding it other times?

It’s not all on the offensive line, though. Wentz had the second-longest time to throw among quarterbacks who played before Monday night’s games. He took on average 3.27 seconds to get the ball out, a lot of time to ask a patchwork line to hold up. Part of the problem is the Eagles’ inability to consistently get into manageable third downs, but it’s still worth keeping in mind just how long Wentz is holding the ball when you’re criticizing the offensive line.

 

So..... if the pocket collapses immediately..... and I scramble for 4 seconds before I throw the ball....   what gets recorded?

Did the OL give me 4 seconds to throw the ball?     How is the stat specifically recorded?   It's a factor between viewing the game as an analytic nerd in 2020 ...or say a person who actually uses their eyes , old school method. Cause vs effect.    It's why watching football in 2021 is important 

We see if the dumpster fire of the Eagles brought Wentz down, or if he and Doug brought down the Eagles.    Indy is perfect landing spot...a mediocre 7th seed who just lost their LT and didn't add anything... if results are much different,  than we know the QB wasn't the cause... just needed to put a mediocre level team and not call a ridiculous amount of pass plays. 

Just now, stine said:

  Wentz did nothing wrong. He was playing poorly because everyone else was to blame....Give me a break....

I didn't say that.   I just simply stated I've  never seen a coach or QB ever deal with that whole situation before.   

And also...to me I don't give a crap about how my guy handles such a dumpster fire.   I care about if my guy can win a title when given a good situation to work with.   

This narrative of not handling the dumpster fire well enough... misses the point.    Which is, he had no faith that they are going to get out of the dumpster fire any time soon.   He wanted out...  similar to Doug, Duce, Schwartz,  Ertz, Jenkins...etc.   if it was only the former QB, then there is more of a case for blaming him... but the big picture paints a different picture. 

Similar to this talk about the Eagles trading up.  We know at this point it would be for a QB. Not a WR or CB.  They will let the lineman fall to them.