Hard part is it’s almost setting up for failure with the young guys coming in first. Can those guys be trusted to lock themselves down?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hard part is it’s almost setting up for failure with the young guys coming in first. Can those guys be trusted to lock themselves down?

They'd better be.

without a preseason they won't have much of a chance to showcase their skills.

16 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Defensive reaction is a good way to judge the situation. But even then what do you call it when Aqib Talib follows your TE to cover all day?

I call it that you need better WRs!

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hard part is it’s almost setting up for failure with the young guys coming in first. Can those guys be trusted to lock themselves down?

Where are they going to go?

Good timing Woody! Jets owner w/ rascist remarks

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/politics/woody-johnson-oig-report/index.html

1 hour ago, mjkline1958 said:

Good timing Woody! Jets owner w/ rascist remarks

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/politics/woody-johnson-oig-report/index.html

CNN ... not to get political... I hate politics.     But CNN, mentioning a headline and using it to conveniently tie other things together into the article... " alleged"  etc.    It is what it is.   Easy to see divide in this country.  Everyone believes news  to be 100% correct if it fits their agenda.    New outlets making up the news.     

Wentz is a locker room cancer.    LOL    Perfect analogy of what is sports news ... as to something that gets reported today.  

On 7/15/2020 at 2:11 PM, joemas6 said:

Pretty nice pay for a 6th man... and then putting the cheap option is as a starter?

You would put a guy with 4 years experience, including being the starter the last 2 seasons and take him out for a guy who filled in a couple of games last year and have basically 2 guys without much experience at playing G on the NFL level? 

Also, if one guy in one of your top 5 OL.. why would you sit him just waiting for an injury?  

When I was kid, we were having a discussion about the Georgetown basketball team... my neighbor said that Ralph Daulton was the key player for that team... the back up center/ pwoer forward.   At the time they had a guy named Patrick Ewing.    This logic sounds similar to his.    I'd prefer to play my best 5 guys at the start, when an injury occurs, the 6th best guy goes in.  In the vent Lane gets injured (on top of Brooks already being out) it's a huge blow anyway.  If you have to put in Pryor ... I have no issue if he plays RT, RG or LG.  And you can move the other 2 however you want.   But to sit Isaac at this point is kinda silly logic.  Imagine the message sent ... you are better than the other player, but we need to sit you and play him?   Think of the big picture there.   Kind of like putting your OL coach at defensive coordinator? 

 

Big picture is all i look at like I said I think the best lineup BIG picture is Semaulo as 6th man... Honest not sure I see him better as a RG then Pryor and not sure he is  ether then JP at LG....Not to mention I think again he is the best suited to fill in at all 5 spots as a backup....

Disagree with that all you want but you also won’t change my opinion on the matter either 

On 7/15/2020 at 2:55 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well,I'm trusting the coaching staff knows more than we do lol

No crap lmao yet you don’t always trust the coaching staff when they make decisions you disagree with lol can’t have it both ways oh I trust the staff oh that’s stupid because I like that guy come on 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Big picture is all i look at like I said I think the best lineup BIG picture is Semaulo as 6th man... Honest not sure I see him better as a RG then Pryor and not sure he is  ether then JP at LG....Not to mention I think again he is the best suited to fill in at all 5 spots as a backup....

Disagree with that all you want but you also won’t change my opinion on the matter either 

Really not a bad thought. I’m just not sure about Peters at G period. I’d rather have him as the backup swing T. Getting him practicing some on the right side in case of emergency. We always talk about Oline continuity. I don’t see JP being able to do it for 16 games(or hopefully more)...at any position. This whole offseason I’ve been looking to Pryor as the key to step up. Brooks going down ramped it up another notch. We have to develop some of these younger players. Team was old last year. Time to move forward towards the future. Seumalo has proven himself. Pryor is next up. Then there are a bunch of young guys we have in the wings that need meaningful reps. Opeta, Driscoll....go down the list. Gotta be a player or two in the bunch that are worthy. In Stout I trust! 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No crap lmao yet you don’t always trust the coaching staff when they make decisions you disagree with lol can’t have it both ways oh I trust the staff oh that’s stupid because I like that guy come on 

This is hard territory as a fan. I want to be optimistic but I also have my own point of view. The coaches are so deep in everything that maybe they can’t recognize the forest for the trees. So I think it’s fair to question the coaches and FO. As long as it comes from an educated fan perspective it’s worth hearing out.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Big picture is all i look at like I said I think the best lineup BIG picture is Semaulo as 6th man... Honest not sure I see him better as a RG then Pryor and not sure he is  ether then JP at LG....Not to mention I think again he is the best suited to fill in at all 5 spots as a backup....

Disagree with that all you want but you also won’t change my opinion on the matter either 

BG,

You have one game to play.  One series.   Who would your OL be?   That is the answer on who should start, because you should have your best in there for most of the plays.  If Pryor earns it, then great.  But don't penalize another guy because he can play multiple spots.  That is the big picture, getting the most snaps out of your best OL combo.  

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Really not a bad thought. I’m just not sure about Peters at G period. I’d rather have him as the backup swing T. Getting him practicing some on the right side in case of emergency. We always talk about Oline continuity. I don’t see JP being able to do it for 16 games(or hopefully more)...at any position. This whole offseason I’ve been looking to Pryor as the key to step up. Brooks going down ramped it up another notch. We have to develop some of these younger players. Team was old last year. Time to move forward towards the future. Seumalo has proven himself. Pryor is next up. Then there are a bunch of young guys we have in the wings that need meaningful reps. Opeta, Driscoll....go down the list. Gotta be a player or two in the bunch that are worthy. In Stout I trust! 

Right... we aren't sure about Peters at G... but if he out plays Pryor, he will get the start.   I get the mindset of a lot of you.   But the bottom line... .one guy got hurt and we signed a replacement.  Brooks plays RG, so easy to assume it's what they signed Peters to play.   That should be the first thought.   The other stuff with having versatility etc.. it's a bonus.  A very strong possibility that the original OL combo won't play all 16 games or even finish... so everything is in play.  It's nice to have versatility, it's a positive.  But from the start, putting Peters in place of he injured Brooks between his 2 long time teammates while putting the 1st round pick at his natural LT spot and keeping the LG starter over the last few years in place, is probably how they start.  It's probably the idea for now.  Whatever they do, let's hope for minimal injury and good play.  

I’d expect Pryor to get better with experience. He needs to be thrown to the fire to see how he responds and grows.

  I’d save Peters. A Tackle goes down in the second half of the season we will be wanting a fresh Peters to step in. That he’d be really good at. Finish off the end of the season and make a playoff run. If a T goes down and Peters is getting beat up at G....then we’ll have nothing. Just don’t think it’s feeling very realistic to look at a guy his age to go 16 plus games. The case could easily be made we should have walked away from him years ago. But he had a decent season last year. I’ll give him that.

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is hard territory as a fan. I want to be optimistic but I also have my own point of view. The coaches are so deep in everything that maybe they can’t recognize the forest for the trees. So I think it’s fair to question the coaches and FO. As long as it comes from an educated fan perspective it’s worth hearing out.

Sure... how do you feel about our OL coach ... and our Head Coach?   So if the feeling is very positive for those 2... you could probably not struggle just trusting those 2.  If you have doubts then you will struggle more.... similar to how we have thought about other coaches in the past and not trusting them ... ie all the WR coaches we have had in there.  

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Right... we aren't sure about Peters at G... but if he out plays Pryor, he will get the start.   I get the mindset of a lot of you.   But the bottom line... .one guy got hurt and we signed a replacement.  Brooks plays RG, so easy to assume it's what they signed Peters to play.   That should be the first thought.   The other stuff with having versatility etc.. it's a bonus.  A very strong possibility that the original OL combo won't play all 16 games or even finish... so everything is in play.  It's nice to have versatility, it's a positive.  But from the start, putting Peters in place of he injured Brooks between his 2 long time teammates while putting the 1st round pick at his natural LT spot and keeping the LG starter over the last few years in place, is probably how they start.  It's probably the idea for now.  Whatever they do, let's hope for minimal injury and good play.  

Seems like this is the way they are going about things. I just don’t agree with it. Peters should have been signed as a backup swing T. Or not at all. Jason Peters is a freak of nature. Lurie, Rosie, Pedey, Stout all think he can pretty much do anything. But they are extremely attached to the man. Rosie even admitted to making some mistakes because of attachments. They let JP go. It was over due. I don’t want to take anything away from him....but that was the past.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d expect Pryor to get better with experience. He needs to be thrown to the fire to see how he responds and grows.

  I’d save Peters. A Tackle goes down in the second half of the season we will be wanting a fresh Peters to step in. That he’d be really good at. Finish off the end of the season and make a playoff run. If a T goes down and Peters is getting beat up at G....then we’ll have nothing. Just don’t think it’s feeling very realistic to look at a guy his age to go 16 plus games. The case could easily be made we should have walked away from him years ago. But he had a decent season last year. I’ll give him that.

So again though ... not disagreeing... just trying to bring the human element here.   How do you think Peters would feel about that... (yeah I get the inmates don't run the show...etc)  But you just brought him kinda out of retirement... he took a job with you, what was the selling point?   " Come here an be a backup"?      IDK about that one.  The selling point to me would be the starting RG spot.  He plays well there, look at what it could do for his legacy.   Hanging on as a backup ... ehh.   It fits your narrative, not sure Peters and co look at it that way.  To be honest, IMO it's worse to have him as a backup at T... think about it from Dillard's point of view... from our fans if Peters was brought in to back him up, a guy you used 3 picks to draft????  

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seems like this is the way they are going about things. I just don’t agree with it. Peters should have been signed as a backup swing T. Or not at all. Jason Peters is a freak of nature. Lurie, Rosie, Pedey, Stout all think he can pretty much do anything. But they are extremely attached to the man. Rosie even admitted to making some mistakes because of attachments. They let JP go. It was over due. I don’t want to take anything away from him....but that was the past.

Yeah... I don't think a future hall of famer who has played that long as a starter is too keen on being signed as a backup?  Too narrow perspective on your part.  

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seems like this is the way they are going about things. I just don’t agree with it. Peters should have been signed as a backup swing T. Or not at all. Jason Peters is a freak of nature. Lurie, Rosie, Pedey, Stout all think he can pretty much do anything. But they are extremely attached to the man. Rosie even admitted to making some mistakes because of attachments. They let JP go. It was over due. I don’t want to take anything away from him....but that was the past.

Now.. playing G ... pretty exciting new challenge.  A dude that has played on that high of a level... those guys need motivation, this could be it.  The fact he could step in if Dillard got hurt... just a bonus.  I don't see Peters playing RT at all though.  No " swing"   

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah... I don't think a future hall of famer who has played that long as a starter is too keen on being signed as a backup?  Too narrow perspective on your part.  

That’s why we let him walk. That was the right call in my perspective. Like I said, could have moved on from him years ago and it would have been wise, really.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Now.. playing G ... pretty exciting new challenge.  A dude that has played on that high of a level... those guys need motivation, this could be it.  The fact he could step in if Dillard got hurt... just a bonus.  I don't see Peters playing RT at all though.  No " swing"   

The Swing would be the icing if he could do it. Dillard isn’t moving to RT. Seems cemented at this point. Probably say Seumalo is our next best RT. So having JP backup both T spots would be the most worthy of the signing. How I see it anyway. 

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah... I don't think a future hall of famer who has played that long as a starter is too keen on being signed as a backup?  Too narrow perspective on your part.  

So what’s he do if he doesn’t win the RG job? Are we going to be forced to start him and hope he improves with time? Seems very likely scenario.

It feels like Peters is our RG. They already are printing programs with it. That’s the way it feels to me. Win lose or draw. They are going to stick with him and hope to coach him up. There is no competition.

You two should just call each other, its like u mainly are just replying to each other 90% of the time. Its cute, like a new couple. :)

On 7/21/2020 at 1:07 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

Really much of the film shows Reagor lined up out to the right. I would probably describe a fair amount of it as the X role. Pedey has stated Reagor is learning the Z. So with this being the case: I don’t want him worrying about learning the slot. A designed play or two from the slot...sure. He could be put in the backfield also. But I’m looking for him to grow that part of his game as we go. I want him to rock some punt returns and pickup some moves to accel as a Z. 
  But let’s put things in semi-order here.
          Punt returns: He has the skill pretty ready to roll. Wins the job and strikes fear!

         Handoffs: Easiest most sure fire way to get the ball in his hands. He’s dangerous once he can go. So this will happen because he comes with this ability. Jet sweeps or straight from the backfield...whatever way you got.

        Go Route: Run as fast as you can and catch the ball while giving the QB the biggest cushion to put the ball in there. He’s fast. He has experience of maintaining room from the sideline. He fights for the ball. Comes pro equipped for this. It will happen. Has to learn to adapt to the pros here. They will try and jam him and keep him from taking off on them. Then they will utilize S help over the top.

     Screen Pass: Pedey and Duce know the screen game. He just needs to listen to them. Yes, I’m recruiting Duce to give Reagor some lessons. Taking handoffs, ball security, following your blocking and when to get North/South. I’d focus on this play in multiple forms, formations and positions. Get him terrorizing DC trying to gameplan for us.

   So these were the first tier I’d say. I wanting him mastering these as soon as possible. Think he takes to these like a duck in water.

    

Yeah,no need to teach him effective route running,just be the one trick pony you always were.Run fast and pray the defender doesn't dink you off the line.To be a "complete" WR,you need to learn all the positions IMO.Even when you move outside,there are lessons to learn playing slot.But whatever.I don't know that there is any "mastery" to running fast

12 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No crap lmao yet you don’t always trust the coaching staff when they make decisions you disagree with lol can’t have it both ways oh I trust the staff oh that’s stupid because I like that guy come on 

Huh?.Is everyone on the staff right 100% of the time? Is anyone right 100% of the time? I don't just drink the corporate Koolade. If the staff was right 100% of the time,we would have 17 Lombardis. SO,I can't "trust the staff knows more than me",but I can't question them anyway? Maybe I would be right once in awhile??? Maybe you would too?