3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You find out who starts in camp, to hell with shared playing time. The other guy becomes the BU and you can cut the rest if you want

Or.....actually try and fill the other twenty actual holes on the team and give last year’s first pick every chance to succeed. You know ....try and get the top young guys actually on the field to develop.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Or.....actually try and fill the other twenty actual holes on the team and give last year’s first pick every chance to succeed. You know ....try and get the top young guys actually on the field to develop.

Right,so you are just handing out jobs-perfect (and why we will stay at .500) With 400 yards you dont think the slot position is a hole??? OMG. Reagor needs to prove it to me, obviously you are handing him the job and I'm going to make him compete for it,and if a slot guy is the BPA where I pick,you can bet I will make him compete

The UNC kid Brown makes plenty of sense. We went to UNC Pro Day also. Have him and Fulgham battle it out.

Just for the record,I am all for a trade back into the 20's and taking Toney with that pick(20-22 area), so in fact that is the X you wanted anyhow lol

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right,so you are just handing out jobs-perfect (and why we will stay at .500) With 400 yards you dont think the slot position is a hole??? OMG. Reagor needs to prove it to me, obviously you are handing him the job

Yes. Absolutely, I’m handing Reagor the starting Z job!

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes. Absolutely I’m handing Reagor the starting Z job!

GL, so say JJ was on the board when we picked this year,you'd pass on him???(Yikes)

Reagor was injured. He also was known to need development. I’m not slowing his development down by endlessly drafting the same position high. If anything I want his development accelerated.

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

GL, so say JJ was on the board when we picked this year,you'd pass on him???(Yikes)

JJ isn’t a Z

I’m more concerned about replacing Fletch than Reagor. That’s my mindset.

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

JJ isn’t a Z

He was mainly in the slot at LSU(1800 yards) That the slot guy I want

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I wasn’t trying to shoot the messenger. Was just kind of thinking it through some. I do think he was pretty disruptive in NY. There was that shot of him in a hotel with a ho and a huge pile of coke laid out also. Just saying we have a pretty young impressionable WR room. Not sure he’s that mentoring vet to bring into that. I do believe he can still be a great WR. 

He was also a young athlete that didn’t get into trouble off the field and showed plenty of passion on the field. We could do way worse then that at WR. I don’t need Odell to mentor my Wrs on life but he can play WR and at a high level 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m more concerned about replacing Fletch than Reagor. That’s my mindset.

Get out of the "win now" mindset and find me the best players at EVERY position. We can win 2 years from now

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK so Jjaw was not a late pick,but he plays like one lol

More like a UDFA

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Get out of the "win now" mindset and find me the best players at EVERY position. We can win 2 years from now

How would you get I’m in the "win now” mindset quoting me saying I’m more interested in drafting Fletch replacement than Reagor? No idea how you got there. Seems like the exact opposite mindset to me. You lost me there.

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How would you get I’m in the "win now” mindset quoting me saying I’m more interested in drafting Fletch replacement than Reagor? No idea how you got there. Seems like the exact opposite mindset to me. You lost me there.

Because you are giving jobs out with no competition. According to you Reagor already won the job with 396 yards last season and you see no reason to make him compete for the job, and meaning no disrespect but the only 2 who wanted Reagor last year were you and Howie and while I am more than happy to let him compete,I am not handing jobs out because "we have other holes to fill" That is a win now attitude and my position is if there is a better slot guy out there,then I want him on my team. And BTW your big selling point was "we need his outside speed"  but now he is a slot guy?

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because you are giving jobs out with no competition. According to you Reagor already won the job with 396 yards last season and you see no reason to make him compete for the job, and meaning no disrespect but the only 2 who wanted Reagor last year were you and Howie and while I am more than happy to let him compete,I am not handing jobs out because "we have other holes to fill" That is a win now attitude and my position is if there is a better slot guy out there,then I want him on my team. And BTW you big selling point was "we need his outside speed"  but now he is a slot guy?

Look back. I said he is a Z. I don’t want to draft a Z back to back. But yes he can also play the slot. But I really just want him focusing on the Z. He needs to learn and develop. The Z is the outside guy off the line of scrimmage. Think DJax.

But hey let’s just keep drafting Zs. Take one in the first last year. Take two other potential ones later in the draft last year. Draft a Z in the first and second this year. Let’s have ten guys compete for one spot with all our draft ammo. Just fill out the other 21 starting spots with undrafted free agents. What could go wrong with that philosophy? 

If ATL trades the fourth pick to a team that drafts a QB(which many think will happen) then I’m probably starting the let’s fire Rosie website. That would guarantee Pitts or Chase would be at six. Adding a first next year is nice and all....but those two are slam dunk picks. All Rosie had to do was turn the card in.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I want a reliable guy who gets open (well we need 3 of those lol) and frankly last years performance was a stunning fail,so I would say X,Y,Z are all up for grabs

 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Just for the record,I am all for a trade back into the 20's and taking Toney with that pick(20-22 area), so in fact that is the X you wanted anyhow lol

Toney can play across the board. But he is a developmental prospect. Not much experience. Hasn’t developed a route tree. You have to scheme him open to make him work. Feel like you countered yourself here.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

Toney can play across the board. But he is a developmental prospect. Not much experience. Hasn’t developed a route tree. You have to scheme him open to make him work. Feel like you countered yourself here.

LOL ok thats why he , may go round 1, because he sucks. IDK how successful were we at scheming ANYONE open? Other than the top 3 all the others need work(thats why they arent top 3) so may as well just skip WR's altogether. We can buy used up FA's whenever we want

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL ok thats why he , may go round 1, because he sucks. IDK how successful were we at scheming ANYONE open? Other than the top 3 all the others need work(thats why they arent top 3) so may as well just skip WR's altogether. We can buy used up FA's whenever we want

I mean we don't know how good we are going to be at scheming anyone open because we don't know what this scheme is going to be? We know the previous regime in the last couple of years couldn't scheme anyone open.

Actually let me rephrase that... Schwartz was very good at scheming guys open. 

18 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Stine, I think you have the scouts draft board pegged.   The thing is... we all know the Eagles board is the one that will matter. 

Parsons would absolutely be a refreshing choice.   To me doesn't even matter of its the right one, but it signifys a change in not sticking 100% to the position philosophy. 

I do think their preference is to move down.  Because I think their idea of a home run is getting their position on the lines and more picks.   I also do not see them trading up this early in the draft unless it's for a QB or lineman.. and like you said, there shouldn't be a need to do it for a lineman.

What I see that can put them in a quandary...  staying at 12 and then having to choose from a better player or the position they value.    I think for the fans it could be easy, but for the front office... you just know they want to take a lineman if possible ...as analytics probably shows its not worth taking non QB / lineman that early. 

  We disagree allot, but I have issues trying to do so here. You are right that the Eagles go Line allot in the first round so may do so again. Problem I have is that take a look at the Eagles roster and tell me what position if any does not need to be addressed in this draft. I can only think of OT. Granted, if Sewell falls to 12 I would have a real hard time not drafting him.

  So, I would think the Eagles draft the best player on their board. I guess the question is what that player will be and who's board are they using? If we are to believe all of the rumors that Howie plans on trusting the scouts this year, which is a stretch, I would think that CB, LB or WR would most likely be the choice if they stay put at 12. So, Eagles always use the strategy go Line then up the middle. That would mean LB Parsons should come into play. This is a WR deep draft. That position could be addressed in the 2nd or 3rd round with solid starters, assuming they use the scouts. Since Jenkins left, they have no one who can cover a TE. Parsons would fill in that role nicely. He can also play on the line and rush the QB. He can stuff the run, cover any TE or RB. I just feel he should be on their board. They never valued LB. They also have not had a solid draft in years. Perhaps they go against the grain a bit this year and solidify one position? As you say, it would be refreshing to see a change. Any change from the norm. Anyway, tomorrow night we find out....

16 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Rashawn Slater might actually be out top Oline on the Board. Shut down Young. Facing him twice a year..,,that would be a nice counter. I have Darrisaw also right around twelve.

He may be top OT, but I have a hard time believing that he is anywhere near the top 12 on their list of best players. So you think they reach?

13 minutes ago, stine said:

He may be top OT, but I have a hard time believing that he is anywhere near the top 12 on their list of best players. So you think they reach?

Why don't think you think he would be a top 12 player on their list? Who would be ahead of him? Chase, Pitts, Surtain, Horn, maybe a QB or two (though they know they aren't going to get Lawrence or Wilson for sure) but who else?

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So you guys don’t care if you go Reagor(a Z) in the first and grab another Z early this season?

  Didn't you claim that JJ was a Z WR last year? Just saying because a WR plays a certain Position at WR, does not mean that he MUST play that in the NFL. Who else played on that team? Maybe that player was more accustomed to playing a X? Whatever the reason, I refuse to listen to all of these talking heads that this player can only do this or that.

    Saying that, I prefer we don't Go Wr anyway in the 1st