9 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Why don't think you think he would be a top 12 player on their list? Who would be ahead of him? Chase, Pitts, Surtain, Horn, maybe a QB or two (though they know they aren't going to get Lawrence or Wilson for sure) but who else?

  OK, I guess he could possibly be in their top 12 but I don't have him there. I guess who's board you use, Howie's or the scouts.

I am thinking 5 QB's go before them. So now we are talking 7 players.

Sewell, Pitts, Chase, Surtain, Parsons, Horn, Waddle, Paye, Smith and Farley should be ahead of Slater. I could be wrong.....

Also, Of all the positions I would not take in round one is OT. That is probably the one position that they seem OK in this year. So let's stock up on a position of strength instead of addressing the other 21? You are good with that?

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

True, but we DO need to pick up the potential talent level. other than Reagor these are PS/late pick guys. Maybe they can do it IDK,but should not stop me from getting better talent in here

Yes, if a guy is there... but you are obsessed with the position and the draft.    For me... its obvious we struggle drafting here.... there are a lot of other positions on a football team and these other ones do not even have late round picks or practice squad guys.  Lets get them filled and see which one of these young guys can develop.   To be honest, I'm trying to see what I got so that I can go get a free agent at the WR spot in a year or two.  Know your weakness.... if its drafting WRs, then you go get them in FA... to me its dumb to keep pounding your head against the wall trying to draft WRs when you keep making mistakes "   oh but this year's class is different...etc"    heard that before.   We haven't drafted a #1 WR since Chris Carter.   Even Barnett was more gimmick and not a number one.  Neither was DeSean.     So lets go Bufffalo Bills style.... lets see what we got first from the young guys... then we get our Diggs.    I would like to avoid being like Dallas... keep investing in WR and meanwhile your DL is crap and you just lose games 40 to 38.  Our DL can easily be a year away from being total crap.  It;s going to take years to build it up, start now.   I'd prefer young draft picks there, and free agents at WR than the other way around.  

10 minutes ago, stine said:

  OK, I guess he could possibly be in their top 12 but I don't have him there. I guess who's board you use, Howie's or the scouts.

I am thinking 5 QB's go before them. So now we are talking 7 players.

Sewell, Pitts, Chase, Surtain, Parsons, Horn, Waddle, Paye, Smith and Farley should be ahead of Slater. I could be wrong.....

I wouldn't have Paye or Farley ahead of Slater. I'd very much avoid Farley to be honest but hey that's me and where I am at. I think we know that (unless there is a draft night shock) both Pitts and Chase are going to be off the board. For me the choice for the Eagles should be (and of course it depends on who's there at #12) Sewell, Surtain, Horn, Waddle, Slater and Smith. Other than that I think trade back a few spots if possible.

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d say Reagor is an obvious Z that can play the slot. Watkins could be a Z or slot. Hightower was used in the slot. Could see him at Z. Not sure about him at X. Fulgham is an X. Hence this whole discussion by Siri about the X. Our obvious need spot. They basically were trying to break down whether the top WR this past season DeVonte could play the X being 166 pounds(soaking wet). Feels like why Smith maybe is falling some and not going in the top ten. It’s a legit concern whether a 166 pound guy can break free off the line on the NFL. The guy obviously showed marvelously all season. So the ‘alphabet’ is what the football guys are concerned with. You know when you are actually projecting whether a guy will be successful on the next level.

Just let them play another year first... because nobody is an obvious anything at the NFL level.   Or should I say... unproven to where they are keepers.  Lets worry about the alphabet later on, not time for that yet ... at least as far as trying to compliment the current roster via draft or FA... we don't know what we need to compliment yet.  Much like we see what Wentz does in Indy to prove one of us right or wrong... we see what these current guys can do here at WR....  then we can make statements like you made 5 months ago about the Eagles being dumb because they will have to pay Fulgham big money to keep him.   Let's not get ahead of ourselves... 2021 is a prove it year for the whole group of young players, especially the WRs.  Let it play out first without anticipating who succeeds or fails.  X,YZ,   P, D, Q   A, B, C     C, B, S    N, C, A, A      none of that matters yet.  

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL ok thats why he , may go round 1, because he sucks. IDK how successful were we at scheming ANYONE open? Other than the top 3 all the others need work(thats why they arent top 3) so may as well just skip WR's altogether. We can buy used up FA's whenever we want

I never said he sucks. But there is a difference in an athlete that is more developmental and a guy that is more polished...maybe less of an athlete. 

Farley tested positive for COVID.

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So you guys don’t care if you go Reagor(a Z) in the first and grab another Z early this season?

I prefer not to get a WR at all .... unless it's by far your BPA.    As for the current WRs... All need to prove to me they can play at the NFL level.  Nobody has a secure job for me past 2021... but I want all of these current guys to get their playing time... Reagor, Fulgham, Hightower, Watkins .... they need to play... Ward and JJAW make 6 ...too many other things I need to see get younger on this team.  Lets see what we have with this young WR core, they certainly do not lack confidence in themselves or Hurts.... " Aint' worried about our offense ... AT ALL"   were a couple of tweets.   So let them play.   WE compliment them next year with additional pieces... if necessary.    What if all 4 of them work out?   

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I wouldn't have Paye or Farley ahead of Slater. I'd very much avoid Farley to be honest but hey that's me and where I am at. I think we know that (unless there is a draft night shock) both Pitts and Chase are going to be off the board. For me the choice for the Eagles should be (and of course it depends on who's there at #12) Sewell, Surtain, Horn, Waddle, Slater and Smith. Other than that I think trade back a few spots if possible.

  I agree about Farley. But most boards have him ranked above Surtain. I also would stay away though. You had asked me which players would be ahead of Slater, so I posted who I thought might. There may be more. There are a few Edge rushers they may value more than him. Anyway, would you draft a OT in round 1 this year, knowing you have Johnson, Dillard and Vaitai and Driscoll?

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You find out who starts in camp

Nah... use the real games for that,... not drills.  

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes, if a guy is there... but you are obsessed with the position and the draft.    For me... its obvious we struggle drafting here.... there are a lot of other positions on a football team and these other ones do not even have late round picks or practice squad guys.  Lets get them filled and see which one of these young guys can develop.   To be honest, I'm trying to see what I got so that I can go get a free agent at the WR spot in a year or two.  Know your weakness.... if its drafting WRs, then you go get them in FA... to me its dumb to keep pounding your head against the wall trying to draft WRs when you keep making mistakes "   oh but this year's class is different...etc"    heard that before.   We haven't drafted a #1 WR since Chris Carter.   Even Barnett was more gimmick and not a number one.  Neither was DeSean.     So lets go Bufffalo Bills style.... lets see what we got first from the young guys... then we get our Diggs.    I would like to avoid being like Dallas... keep investing in WR and meanwhile your DL is crap and you just lose games 40 to 38.  Our DL can easily be a year away from being total crap.  It;s going to take years to build it up, start now.   I'd prefer young draft picks there, and free agents at WR than the other way around.  

IMO it's not about who you draft, it's about who you develop,that is on the STAFF not the player (assuming you can locate talent). SO now we have a new developmental staff. What "used to be" is out the window

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I never said he sucks. But there is a difference in an athlete that is more developmental and a guy that is more polished...maybe less of an athlete. 

And as I said, thats why he's not in the top 3 conversation.

Anyone know anything about this guy?

 

12:55 PM ET) I’m told the team loves Kwity Paye, the edge rusher from Michigan, and view him as a clone to another former Wolverine — Brandon Graham — the Eagles’ former first-round pick. Could they take him with the 12th overall selection? I’d say right now, it’s possible."

7 minutes ago, stine said:

  I agree about Farley. But most boards have him ranked above Surtain. I also would stay away though. You had asked me which players would be ahead of Slater, so I posted who I thought might. There may be more. There are a few Edge rushers they may value more than him. Anyway, would you draft a OT in round 1 this year, knowing you have Johnson, Dillard and Vaitai and Driscoll?

Oh mate sorry I wasn't arguing I was just running through it and giving my thoughts on where we are at and where my head is at. 

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Nah... use the real games for that,... not drills.  

LOL so how do you determine who starts game 1??

1 hour ago, stine said:

  We disagree allot, but I have issues trying to do so here. You are right that the Eagles go Line allot in the first round so may do so again. Problem I have is that take a look at the Eagles roster and tell me what position if any does not need to be addressed in this draft. I can only think of OT. Granted, if Sewell falls to 12 I would have a real hard time not drafting him.

  So, I would think the Eagles draft the best player on their board. I guess the question is what that player will be and who's board are they using? If we are to believe all of the rumors that Howie plans on trusting the scouts this year, which is a stretch, I would think that CB, LB or WR would most likely be the choice if they stay put at 12. So, Eagles always use the strategy go Line then up the middle. That would mean LB Parsons should come into play. This is a WR deep draft. That position could be addressed in the 2nd or 3rd round with solid starters, assuming they use the scouts. Since Jenkins left, they have no one who can cover a TE. Parsons would fill in that role nicely. He can also play on the line and rush the QB. He can stuff the run, cover any TE or RB. I just feel he should be on their board. They never valued LB. They also have not had a solid draft in years. Perhaps they go against the grain a bit this year and solidify one position? As you say, it would be refreshing to see a change. Any change from the norm. Anyway, tomorrow night we find out....

I don’t agree. the Eagles definitely go line first. But hey don’t go up the middle. Never prioritize LB. I’d definitely say they prioritized corner. I also think Slater is probably our top Oline on the board. The guy dominated Chase Young. That’s a really safe pick because we face that athletic beast twice a season. Not looking at Oline as a huge need. But I think Lane has some trade value. So if we went T at 12....then I’d expect us to move Lane.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IMO it's not about who you draft, it's about who you develop,that is on the STAFF not the player (assuming you can locate talent). SO now we have a new developmental staff. What "used to be" is out the window

GB, one of your strengths is ranking WR's. You seem to know who is best of that position. I feel that, because you know them so well, you tend to push the Eagles to draft that position. You know that this or that WR will succeed so why not draft him? Good logic. Problem I have is that I see so many holes on this team and WR is such a deep group, I would much rather we address another need first.  Just my opinion. I get it that you are fixed on WR....

18 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Anyone know anything about this guy?

 

12:55 PM ET) I’m told the team loves Kwity Paye, the edge rusher from Michigan, and view him as a clone to another former Wolverine — Brandon Graham — the Eagles’ former first-round pick. Could they take him with the 12th overall selection? I’d say right now, it’s possible."

Personally I think he is overrated a bit. Just me. I think onwu has better upside if we are going D line. 

1 hour ago, stine said:

He may be top OT, but I have a hard time believing that he is anywhere near the top 12 on their list of best players. So you think they reach?

You really think a guy that shut down Chase Young a reach? I mean I know he plays for Washington and all...but he’s an absolute athletic freak.

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right,so you are just handing out jobs-perfect (and why we will stay at .500) With 400 yards you dont think the slot position is a hole??? OMG. Reagor needs to prove it to me, obviously you are handing him the job and I'm going to make him compete for it,and if a slot guy is the BPA where I pick,you can bet I will make him compete

GB... you are using the season to see if they earn their jobs .  you are being short sighted here.... it's not about handing out a job for 2021... it's about trying to see who earns a job past this year.  You are trying to take short cuts.    " Oh ,I need guys who are willing to fight for jobs...etc"    That's the BS you all eat up from them trying to push a Wentz didn't want to compete narrative.    Stiop with that.   you let the young guys have the job for 2021.... it's their tryout.   They need to earn their way on your team going forward, the real team you are trying to build to win something.  I don't need these guys competing with each other... I need these guys competing against the starters from the other NFL teams they are going to need to beat in order to win me  Superbowl.   It's not.... " heree is your job"    ... it's  "  lets see what you can do vs the real competition"    It can't be rushed.... look how everyone was all " Fulgham is an all pro, Fulgham will need to be paid big money...etc"     5 games, I was trying to calm everyone down and put it into perspective how it would be nice if he can just prove to be an adequate #2 outside WR... we need to see a whole season, a big chunk of playing time from these guys.  All kinds of competition, coverages, weather...etc.  

Just switch your mentality from a good team... to a bad team.   Good teams compete in camp to get ready to make a title run .... bad teams need to use the season to compete for jobs so they can make a decision who to keep for next season.  WE are in the bad group.  

1 minute ago, stine said:

GB, one of your strengths is ranking WR's. You seem to know who is best of that position. I feel that, because you know them so well, you tend to push the Eagles to draft that position. You know that this or that WR will succeed so why not draft him? Good logic. Problem I have is that I see so many holes on this team and WR is such a deep group, I would much rather we address another need first.  Just my opinion. I get it that you are fixed on WR....

Yeah thats true. Others that scout D do the same. Thats why we have this board. everyone plays to their best attribute lol. Nobody is right or wrong. I don't pretend to be a D guy. I am learning somewhat

47 minutes ago, stine said:

  Didn't you claim that JJ was a Z WR last year? Just saying because a WR plays a certain Position at WR, does not mean that he MUST play that in the NFL. Who else played on that team? Maybe that player was more accustomed to playing a X? Whatever the reason, I refuse to listen to all of these talking heads that this player can only do this or that.

    Saying that, I prefer we don't Go Wr anyway in the 1st

No. Absolutely not. Never said JJ was a Z.  And...sure a guy can exceed expectations. Happens all the time. But the job of scouting would be to project his fit in the NFL. I’m not going for a guy we project as a Z. Arguably the dumbest move we could make.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t agree. the Eagles definitely go line first. But hey don’t go up the middle. Never prioritize LB. I’d definitely say they prioritized corner. I also think Slater is probably our top Oline on the board. The guy dominated Chase Young. That’s a really safe pick because we face that athletic beast twice a season. Not looking at Oline as a huge need. But I think Lane has some trade value. So if we went T at 12....then I’d expect us to move Lane.

So you would stack up on the 1 position the Eagles seem OK at for our #1 pick? Really? OK, maybe we can trade one of them? Why? Just address another position and then we only have 20 left instead of staying at 21???

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You really think a guy that shut down Chase Young a reach? I mean I know he plays for Washington and all...but he’s an absolute athletic freak.

Seriously I would ,take Onwu with the 37 pick if thats what we wanted to do

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

GB... you are using the season to see if they earn their jobs .  you are being short sighted here.... it's not about handing out a job for 2021... it's about trying to see who earns a job past this year.  You are trying to take short cuts.    " Oh ,I need guys who are willing to fight for jobs...etc"    That's the BS you all eat up from them trying to push a Wentz didn't want to compete narrative.    Stiop with that.   you let the young guys have the job for 2021.... it's their tryout.   They need to earn their way on your team going forward, the real team you are trying to build to win something.  I don't need these guys competing with each other... I need these guys competing against the starters from the other NFL teams they are going to need to beat in order to win me  Superbowl.   It's not.... " heree is your job"    ... it's  "  lets see what you can do vs the real competition"    It can't be rushed.... look how everyone was all " Fulgham is an all pro, Fulgham will need to be paid big money...etc"     5 games, I was trying to calm everyone down and put it into perspective how it would be nice if he can just prove to be an adequate #2 outside WR... we need to see a whole season, a big chunk of playing time from these guys.  All kinds of competition, coverages, weather...etc.  

Just switch your mentality from a good team... to a bad team.   Good teams compete in camp to get ready to make a title run .... bad teams need to use the season to compete for jobs so they can make a decision who to keep for next season.  WE are in the bad group.  

WHich young guys so you start/ let play? Last years young guys or this years draftees? I also stated Fulgham was "OK" nothing more lol

39 minutes ago, stine said:

  OK, I guess he could possibly be in their top 12 but I don't have him there. I guess who's board you use, Howie's or the scouts.

I am thinking 5 QB's go before them. So now we are talking 7 players.

Sewell, Pitts, Chase, Surtain, Parsons, Horn, Waddle, Paye, Smith and Farley should be ahead of Slater. I could be wrong.....

Horn is known as a press man corner. Is that what you expect us to play consistently? I don’t. I like Surtain....but you also watch his film and see he doesn’t have the best recovery speed. Farley has medical. Smith is thinner than a tooth pick. Watch Paye get his sacks. They didn’t come from him just beating his man to generate the sack. Kind of garbage style sacks. I’d argue those don’t translate to being successful on the next level. I do unfortunately feel like he’s really high on the Eagles board. Anyway....anyway.....Slater didn’t give up a sack. Dominated Chase. I could see him being fifth on the Eagles Board overall. Lawrence, Wilson, Chase, Pitts and Slater. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if their Board looks like this.