3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No. Absolutely not. Never said JJ was a Z.  And...sure a guy can exceed expectations. Happens all the time. But the job of scouting would be to project his fit in the NFL. I’m not going for a guy we project as a Z. Arguably the dumbest move we could make.

We don't disagree often but I am dead set against going OT in the first. I really could care less about a WR unless it is Chase and we all know he won't be there now that we moved down.

  So we are looking at CD, Edge, LB and QB (if Fields drops that far). I take the best one left. If that is PArsons so be it....

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Horn is known as a press man corner. Is that what you expect us to play consistently? I don’t. I like Surtain....but you also watch his film and see he doesn’t have the best recovery speed. Farley has medical. Smith is thinner than a tooth pick. Watch Paye get his sacks. They didn’t come from him just beating his man to generate the sack. Kind of garbage style sacks. I’d argue those don’t translate to being successful on the next level. I do unfortunately feel like he’s really high on the Eagles board. Anyway....anyway.....Slater didn’t give up a sack. Dominated Chase. I could see him being fifth on the Eagles Board overall. Lawrence, Wilson, Chase, Pitts and Slater. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if their Board looks like this.

no way that Slater is rated above Sewell....

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m more concerned about replacing Fletch than Reagor. That’s my mindset.

Bingo!    Replace the 30 year old, not the 21 year old!      The issue is, there is a lot of the fanbase in denial about where we are at.  Still looking at finishing the puzzle or what is the " current"  need.    Lets get WR and CB... that will do it?   Really?  What will it do for you?  The rookie will make such a huger difference ?    There is a difference between being a top player in a draft...and being a top player in the league.  Not about instant gratification.    For sure we need to let the young guys play and go draft to replace the old guys.  Absolutely draft in order to replace a Cox before a Reagor.  As well as a Graham, Brooks, Kelce, Lane, Slay, McCloud...etc.   

I'd prefer a blocking TE and a complimentary RB  before looking to draft WR at this point.  Anything on the roster that isn't there at all as far as having a young option, that is what we need to address this week.  

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Just let them play another year first... because nobody is an obvious anything at the NFL level.   Or should I say... unproven to where they are keepers.  Lets worry about the alphabet later on, not time for that yet ... at least as far as trying to compliment the current roster via draft or FA... we don't know what we need to compliment yet.  Much like we see what Wentz does in Indy to prove one of us right or wrong... we see what these current guys can do here at WR....  then we can make statements like you made 5 months ago about the Eagles being dumb because they will have to pay Fulgham big money to keep him.   Let's not get ahead of ourselves... 2021 is a prove it year for the whole group of young players, especially the WRs.  Let it play out first without anticipating who succeeds or fails.  X,YZ,   P, D, Q   A, B, C     C, B, S    N, C, A, A      none of that matters yet.  

Of coarse it matter. I think corner it wouldn’t matter as much...because we have no youth ...or talent. You could see if a guy is a Nickle or outside guy more. Seems like you made the same point with me of....why keep putting all out eggs in the same basket?

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL ok thats why he , may go round 1, because he sucks. IDK how successful were we at scheming ANYONE open? Other than the top 3 all the others need work(thats why they arent top 3) so may as well just skip WR's altogether. We can buy used up FA's whenever we want

Yep... that's exactly what I would do... skip WR and buy one later.    

19 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

And as I said, thats why he's not in the top 3 conversation.

But you also stated you want a guy that reliably gets open. To me that screams great route runner. Nobody says that about him. He has plenty going for him...polished route running is arguably his biggest area needing development.

Our oldest lineman is Kelce at 33,so he should be the first guy replaced

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But you also stated you want a guy that reliably gets open. To me that screams great route runner. Nobody says that about him. He has plenty going for him...polished route running is arguably his biggest area needing development.

Last year you said we needed the speed guy to pull defenses. OK, it's my fault because you never stated they needed to get open. SO if you want a route runner then you need a WR from Bama

21 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Anyone know anything about this guy?

 

12:55 PM ET) I’m told the team loves Kwity Paye, the edge rusher from Michigan, and view him as a clone to another former Wolverine — Brandon Graham — the Eagles’ former first-round pick. Could they take him with the 12th overall selection? I’d say right now, it’s possible."

He had a massive RAS score. But never seemed to dominate people to generate sacks. Not my guy. So expect this is 100 percent accurate and will be our pick. 

Slater is undersize for an OT, Most teams I read have him projected as a Guard because of it. Sure he is a beast, but for what position. 6'3" 305 lbs....

 

    As I said, no way I want him in ths first round

 

 

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Of coarse it matter. I think corner it wouldn’t matter as much...because we have no youth ...or talent. You could see if a guy is a Nickle or outside guy more. Seems like you made the same point with me of....why keep putting all out eggs in the same basket?

If at first you don't succeed................skydiving isn't for you lol

21 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Personally I think he is overrated a bit. Just me. I think onwu has better upside if we are going D line. 

 

20 minutes ago, stine said:

So you would stack up on the 1 position the Eagles seem OK at for our #1 pick? Really? OK, maybe we can trade one of them? Why? Just address another position and then we only have 20 left instead of staying at 21???

I stated what the EAGLES do

I would take Onwu at 37. The WR talent drops off a bit after Bateman and the 2 Moores. Not that the rest can't earn a paycheck, but their ceilings are limited. So taking a WR ANYWHERE depends on how badly you want to inject top potential talent. If you are ok with "OK" then we should wait

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

I stated what the EAGLES do

No, they addressed BOTH lines, not just the Offense. SO go for whomever is on the defensive side first then. Not Slater...

I still like Meinze. If we are harping on age, Kelce is the elder,so we need to replace him with a TOP level selection(if you are serious) rather than the round 6/UDFA camp bodies

17 minutes ago, stine said:

We don't disagree often but I am dead set against going OT in the first. I really could care less about a WR unless it is Chase and we all know he won't be there now that we moved down.

  So we are looking at CD, Edge, LB and QB (if Fields drops that far). I take the best one left. If that is PArsons so be it....

I want Lawrence, Wilson, Chase and then Pitts. If one falls to six...I’d fire Rosie for trading back. It seems I’m alone (nothing new) but I like Barmore. A DT. So add to your list to include my thoughts.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I want Lawrence, Wilson, Chase and then Pitts. If one falls to six...I’d fire Rosie for trading back. It seems I’m alone (nothing new) but I like Barmore. A DT. So add to your list to include my thoughts.

What DT do you have that high? Or you like trading back?

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I want Lawrence, Wilson, Chase and then Pitts. If one falls to six...I’d fire Rosie for trading back. It seems I’m alone (nothing new) but I like Barmore. A DT. So add to your list to include my thoughts.

I'll take Onwu at 37 and save the 12 for something else

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Our oldest lineman is Kelce at 33,so he should be the first guy replaced

Last year you said we needed the speed guy to pull defenses. OK, it's my fault because you never stated they needed to get open. SO if you want a route runner then you need a WR from Bama

Yes! Was saying it much longer than just last year. Pederson’s offense needed that field stretcher. Our offense was so sluggish and could only get tiny chunks. Had to just move the sticks all the way down the field.

1 minute ago, stine said:

What DT do you have that high? Or you like trading back?

Barmore was the best player on the field...in huge games with tons of talent playing.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes! Was saying it much longer than just last year. Pederson’s offense needed that field stretcher. Our offense was so sluggish and could only get tiny chunks. Had to just move the sticks all the way down the field.

Barmore was the best player on the field...in huge games with tons of talent playing.

B ut no need to actually get open,to give your QB a target window,ok got it

1 hour ago, stine said:

  We disagree allot, but I have issues trying to do so here. You are right that the Eagles go Line allot in the first round so may do so again. Problem I have is that take a look at the Eagles roster and tell me what position if any does not need to be addressed in this draft. I can only think of OT. Granted, if Sewell falls to 12 I would have a real hard time not drafting him.

  So, I would think the Eagles draft the best player on their board. I guess the question is what that player will be and who's board are they using? If we are to believe all of the rumors that Howie plans on trusting the scouts this year, which is a stretch, I would think that CB, LB or WR would most likely be the choice if they stay put at 12. So, Eagles always use the strategy go Line then up the middle. That would mean LB Parsons should come into play. This is a WR deep draft. That position could be addressed in the 2nd or 3rd round with solid starters, assuming they use the scouts. Since Jenkins left, they have no one who can cover a TE. Parsons would fill in that role nicely. He can also play on the line and rush the QB. He can stuff the run, cover any TE or RB. I just feel he should be on their board. They never valued LB. They also have not had a solid draft in years. Perhaps they go against the grain a bit this year and solidify one position? As you say, it would be refreshing to see a change. Any change from the norm. Anyway, tomorrow night we find out....

So an answer about what needs to be addressed in the draft.   To me, draft is for long term.  It's not about that the player will be good at the NFL level year 1.   So to me, draft is about looking to address positions where you do not have young prospects.    At least this should be the mindset of a team that isn't close to winning.  Which it's where we are now.   That said .... what is missing from the roster.... in terms on zero young options.   Well... DL is the big one that sticks out.   we are also missing little things like a blocking TE, a bigger RB that can block and get the short yardage.     I don't see the last 2 as being positions we draft early.

But ....lets talk about the draft board.   For me, the Eagles have their own board.  you look at the consensus and draft grades.   I've been saying for years, in this modified BPA discussion that you all like to make rocket science.    I believe the Eagles give a bump up in grade for guys who play on the line.   So while you see draft " grades"  of the players on the board, and no linemen seems to be up in the top 12 ... I absolutely think they have a higher grade on Paye, Barimore and other DL guys ... the" Eagles curve"  is a good term for this draft grade.    I believe the " Eagles curve"  puts these DL in play at 12.  

The last thing... they don't go up the middle as far as once they pass the line of scrimmage in the draft.    They go  .... QB   ... lineman   .... WR/CB      They don't draft outside of these 5 positions since Keith Jackson in 1988.        and if you follow it real closely in the last 20 years.    The very early picks were QB at 2.    Lane was pick 4.   Cox, Graham and Barnett were the other top 15 picks.     The WRs and Lito were drafted around 20.        To me this is why I think they want to trade down.  It opens up options to where they can justify to themselves to take any of DL/OL/WR/CB.      I do not think they want to draft a WR or CB as early as 12, regardless of how everyone else's board looks like.  This is where I think when the moment of truth comes.... they " overdraft"  a lineman.   

Parsons would be awesome simply for breaking like 5 trends all at once.     But the big thing here.... i'm saying they have their own board with grading curves for linemen... you are just looking at the consensus rankings from the rest of the experts.    I think Howie/Lurie still have the impact on the bigger things, like taking a lineman... but they will listen to the scouts as far as which lineman they have ranked the best.  

 

 

SO Ham, why not put Reagor outside? "Speed kills" right? And get a better slot guy who is a reliable pass catcher? His "outside" speed was what you droned on all last year

14 minutes ago, stine said:

Slater is undersize for an OT, Most teams I read have him projected as a Guard because of it. Sure he is a beast, but for what position. 6'3" 305 lbs....

 

    As I said, no way I want him in ths first round

 

 

He isn’t undersized. 6’4” 305 pounds isn’t undersized for anything. The concern with him is arm length. That’s why some think he might be better inside. Guy became a starter as a Freshman in the Big ten. Dominated the number two overall pick last year. To me....he’s a very safe pick. Dominating Chase Young translates to the next level for me. Because ....he needs to play against...Chase Young. 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He isn’t undersized. 6’4” 305 pounds isn’t undersized for anything. The concern with him is arm length. That’s why some think he might be better inside. Guy became a starter as a Freshman in the Big ten. Dominated the number two overall pick last year. To me....he’s a very safe pick. Dominating Chase Young translates to the next level for me. Because ....he needs to play against...Chase Young. 

Cool we're drafting a guy to play 2 games a year

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SO Ham, why not put Reagor outside? "Speed kills" right? And get a better slot guy who is a reliable pass catcher? His "outside" speed was what you droned on all last year

He is and was. Do you watch the games man?

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He is and was. Do you watch the games man?

But now he's a slot guy-OK got it(and you continue to argue we don't need a slot receiver lol)