18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK Joe, the "see what we have" thing is kind of off kilter. What did you see last year that makes you believe these PS WR's are going to the HOF in 2 years? Maybe we watched different games,but I saw PS WR's exceeding their potential and nothing more. DO I need to see another year of this?

I saw youth on a team with a changing lineup, no stability,  very vanilla play calling and brutal routes.    I want to see new system, coaching,  plays...  and see who can make my roster down the road.    I need a 1, 2, 3, 4,5 WR.... I want these guys to show me they can fill in for any of these 5 spots.  Doesn't need to be a #1, like you seem obsessed about getting day 1 of training camp.   I don't think you fully appreciate the long process ahead here.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Show me a WR that was producing more when dealing with injury in this offense last year. He’s a speed guy that got injured in TC and then again early in the season. Speed guys rely on their wheels more than the others. I was disappointed in Reagor lining up incorrectly and seemingly having a slow learning curve on his route adjustments. I saw him open plenty though. Oline didn’t hold up. Wentz wouldn’t throw him the ball. I’m not holding Reagor accountable for all that.

I said before I am more than happy to let Reagor compete. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Why?   Lol.   So invested for one play of game 1.  This team stinks... every young guy should get opportunity.   

I'll start play 1... Ham can have the other outside WR spot... then we can come out to let the young guys play.   If it's a handoff to Sanders is it going to define their careers?    Lol.

When I pancake block to open it up to go all the way to the house it will redefine everything!

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I saw youth on a team with a changing lineup, no stability,  very vanilla play calling and brutal routes.    I want to see new system, coaching,  plays...  and see who can make my roster down the road.    I need a 1, 2, 3, 4,5 WR.... I want these guys to show me they can fill in for any of these 5 spots.  Doesn't need to be a #1, like you seem obsessed about getting day 1 of training camp.   I don't think you fully appreciate the long process ahead here.

Nope,not obsessed at all. But by week 1 I should know which 6 guys are on my team right? and of those 6 I better know who the 3 best ones are than I put on the field. That's not obsession,that is logic unless you are playing to lose. Letting other guys play is what garbage time(W or L) is for

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why are you obsessed with it??? Camp and pre season was to sort through those guys, the final interviews, to find the guys who will play for you. This isn't hard to understand. If I have DT 4,I'm gonna pull my other 2/3 just so he can play?

GB... your mindset is to prepare for a season in which you are actually playing for something.   Get out of this mindset.  We aren't playing for anything in 2021.  Give the young guys a chance to play. Get young guys at spots we don't have.  WR and OL we have plenty.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

GB... your mindset is to prepare for a season in which you are actually playing for something.   Get out of this mindset.  We aren't playing for anything in 2021.  Give the young guys a chance to play. Get young guys at spots we don't have.  WR and OL we have plenty.

Could argue LB also actually

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right,I am not shooting for WR#1 And am merely wanting to get the slot guy I can live with for the next 5 years,so I can check off that box

So no potential Amy of these guys could be a slot guy ?  None.  With the dumpster fire that was surrounding their first years last year,  you know for 100 % certain that they aren't going to be able to do the job?    I don't see it that way... but you know what I do know... Cox, Graham and Co will not be here in 2026. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

GB... your mindset is to prepare for a season in which you are actually playing for something.   Get out of this mindset.  We aren't playing for anything in 2021.  Give the young guys a chance to play. Get young guys at spots we don't have.  WR and OL we have plenty.

I'm playing for continuity going forward(gel or whatever other word you want to use). To get the best continuity, I would like to have the best players in place at as many positions as possible. I don't care what the record is,I care about establishing players at position that will be there next year and getting those players as much game time as possible(sans "garbage time")

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

To get the pieces in place, get them some experience for the NEXT / following years(isnt that why we draft at all???)

But we can't do that for guys we drafted last year?  

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

So no potential Amy of these guys could be a slot guy ?  None.  With the dumpster fire that was surrounding their first years last year,  you know for 100 % certain that they aren't going to be able to do the job?    I don't see it that way... but you know what I do know... Cox, Graham and Co will not be here in 2026. 

Going by what I saw last year, they are all replaceable. Tabula Rasa

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But we can't do that for guys we drafted last year?  

SO far the experience has been BAD experience. Continuing that bad experience won;t make them better,so for me new slate. What I saw last year doesn't make me want to hold onto them. They can compete with the new guys. Give me the best 6, last years this years 4 years ago I dont care about

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Cool I hope we experiment all the way to the bye week(of course morale will be shot but HEY we're letting everyone play lol)

Why stop at the bye week?   Why nor all 17 games?  

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Why stop at the bye week?   Why nor all 17 games?  

Sure, may as well go 0-16 so we can celebrate something lol

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I said before I am more than happy to let Reagor compete. 

Right...but you want a 6 week competition in July/August...   we want the competition to be September to January.    This is where we differ. 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Why stop at the bye week?   Why nor all 17 games?  

Sounds like ;last years O line and WR corps

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure, may as well go 0-16 so we can celebrate something lol

So ... the starters at WR are so much better that we are sacrificing wins and morale?   I didn't realize we had Julio Jones on the roster?

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Right...but you want a 6 week competition in July/August...   we want the competition to be September to January.    This is where we differ. 

Why have a coach or camp or pre-season if you can't identify your best players? If you need a whole season to do that we got the wrong people here

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sounds like ;last years O line and WR corps

That was injury.... this year the young guys get playing time without Alshon and DeSean taking up reps.  It's game and practice reps.   A lot more than just August like you want.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So ... the starters at WR are so much better that we are sacrificing wins and morale?   I didn't realize we had Julio Jones on the roster?

Why don't why don't we try to find one? You won't find him in the less than stellar group of PS WR's that we have now

Just killing me to agree with No Mas here. But we had the weirdest offseason last year. Terrible year for a rookie to come in and be expected to produce. We have new coaches. I’m not even writing off JJAW yet. Corner is our most obvious hole. We could start a rookie corner outside and in the slot week one. Our whole WR corps is young. All untapped potential. Does anyone love the idea of Rosie picking another WR? Confidence is not high....I repeat confidence is not high.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

That was injury.... this year the young guys get playing time without Alshon and DeSean taking up reps.  It's game and practice reps.   A lot more than just August like you want.

And we replaced Djax and Alshon with???? PS WR's

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nope,not obsessed at all. But by week 1 I should know which 6 guys are on my team right? and of those 6 I better know who the 3 best ones are than I put on the field. That's not obsession,that is logic unless you are playing to lose. Letting other guys play is what garbage time(W or L) is for

Oh we better know the first week of September 2021...  if not no chance at a Superbowl in 2026 if we can't figure this out now... we better know this... lol

If we take Paye, it better be after trading down for another 3rd or something.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just killing me to agree with No Mas here. But we had the weirdest offseason last year. Terrible year for a rookie to come in and be expected to produce. We have new coaches. I’m not even writing off JJAW yet. Corner is our most obvious hole. We could start a rookie corner outside and in the slot week one. Our whole WR corps is young. All untapped potential. Does anyone love the idea of Rosie picking another WR? Confidence is not high....I repeat confidence is not high.

We better take one,maybe not at 12 or 27,bu by round 4 if you want to upgrade,the talent falls off and all you are doing is adding more additional mediocre

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right...but you want a 6 week competition in July/August...   we want the competition to be September to January.    This is where we differ. 

Yeah TC is about installing everything. Just get everybody on the same page....including the freaking coaches all having new jobs they don’t know about.