5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wow you really gathered so much from three games. He’s terrible at making reads? Terrible Oline and zero experience at WR....but that’s all Hurts fault. It wasn’t all Wentz fault either. Accuracy? Same as the reads PLUS....I have 128 attempts and 70 completions. Slightly better completion percentage(because everybody ...but BG agrees to not count tank games against anybody).

No copping out by not using the tank game is only you... SEVEN completion I could have completed more passes.

I think so much depends on a QB trusting an Oline. At least knowing semipredictably what and where the weakness is. All our QBs suffered from this. That’s been the basis for my defensive philosophies for years. Hit a QB enough he’ll start missing reads, throw balls up wildly, take off prematurely.....even have to throw the ball away.

52% but you want to make every excuse in the book for him... Oh he is coachable why can’t he throw a ball yet then??? Why is he struggling making reads then???  If he is that coachable had a high coach dad knows our QB coach they are so close worked with some of the best college coaches. Yet he struggles with all this still but oh he is magically getting better now 

6 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

4 games and he has been so coachable since high school started at Bama lost his job and then went to easy big 10 in Riley O to pad stats 

Won the SEC at Bama then was runner up for the Heisman to the guy that broke all the college records. Terrible college career

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

52% but you want to make every excuse in the book for him... Oh he is coachable why can’t he throw a ball yet then??? Why is he struggling making reads then???  If he is that coachable had a high coach dad knows our QB coach they are so close worked with some of the best college coaches. Yet he struggles with all this still but oh he is magically getting better now 

Honest question, which NFL qbs do you think would have played really well for the Eagles at the end of last year?

Do we win all of our games with Mahomes at qb? Brady?

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

How isn’t accuracy a QBs fault lmao he wasn’t hitting Wr and they were dropping the ball he was missing completely 

It is. But that’s in a vacuum. You are talking about the Stat accuracy. Very different. How open was the receiver? How much time was there to throw? What was the pass rush situation? Your obviously counting Hail Mary’s and throwing the ball away as being an inaccurate throw. Your stat isn’t considering it’s fourth and fifteen down by two scores in the fourth. A guy could be the greatest ever....but threw all one yard passes. Level of difficulty is a huge factor here. When Foles was driving us down to win the playoff game and hits Alshon in the hands and he tips it up in that air instead of making the easy catch turning to an interception. Was Foles inaccurate and throwing it to the other team? The stats say he’s inaccurate and throwing interceptions. He was great on that throw.

Two seconds to go before halftime.....fourth and two....you got the ball at midfield.....I want my coach and QB to take a shot. Might be very low percentage....but I’d play to win. I’m not throwing a five yard pass and saying "look how accurate I am....and my fourth down conversion percentage rocks.”

12 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Honest question, which NFL qbs do you think would have played really well for the Eagles at the end of last year?

Do we win all of our games with Mahomes at qb? Brady?

Nope so I think they do better then Hurts yup. Sorry not wearing you and ham Rosie colored glasses with Hurts... He was really bad terrible and didn’t show really good signs that he was a good player that lacked a team 

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It is. But that’s in a vacuum. You are talking about the Stat accuracy. Very different. How open was the receiver? How much time was there to throw? What was the pass rush situation? Your obviously counting Hail Mary’s and throwing the ball away as being an inaccurate throw. Your stat isn’t considering it’s fourth and fifteen down by two scores in the fourth. A guy could be the greatest ever....but threw all one yard passes. Level of difficulty is a huge factor here. When Foles was driving us down to win the playoff game and hits Alshon in the hands and he tips it up in that air instead of making the easy catch turning to an interception. Was Foles inaccurate and throwing it to the other team? The stats say he’s inaccurate and throwing interceptions. He was great on that throw.

I’m talking about the eye test when he was missing wide open WRs... It’s also no different then your talking stat sheet yards when he getting bogus yards when teams are covering play off because he has the team down by 2 plus scores... Kirk Cousins is also great at padding stats late in games

Also that those handful of throws your tlaoing about aren’t accounting for the majority of his Terrible throws 

honest answer how many QBs do you got completely 52% that you consider good please tell me 

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Won the SEC at Bama then was runner up for the Heisman to the guy that broke all the college records. Terrible college career

Lost his job to a freshman had to transfer cuz he couldn’t win his job and played in an O that has padded numerous QB stats over the years in a conference that is known to have terrible Ds 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Nope so I think they do better then Hurts yup. Sorry not wearing you and ham Rosie colored glasses with Hurts... He was really bad terrible and didn’t show really good signs that he was a good player that lacked a team 

But you will admit that your basis for criticizing Hurts comes from a position of weakness, namely that any qb in the league would have looked bad starting for the Eagles last year.

I mean, just read what you are posting. You are criticizing Hurts for his performance with the Eagles while at the same time admitting that any other qb wouldn't have done any better. Seems really weak to me.  

Just now, jsb235 said:

But you will admit that your basis for criticizing Hurts comes from a position of weakness, namely that any qb in the league would have looked bad starting for the Eagles last year.

I mean, just read what you are posting. You are criticizing Hurts for his performance with the Eagles while at the same time admitting that any other qb wouldn't have done any better. Seems really weak to me.  

No my basis for Hurts looking terrible is he looked terrible that’s it.... If he was hitting guys and stuff was getting dropped or he was making the right reads etc. sure I’d give him something but he was terrible 

What really seems to be weak for me is the fact every cry’s about all these things for Hurts giving him excuses for why he was terrible but didn’t for Wentz. I’m sorry Hurts didn’t show any for me to believe he is anything but a backup at best 

Read my posts I’m criticizing him for terrible play which he had same as I did for Wentz but I still think Wentz can play and at a high level. I’d didn’t see anything remotely telling that Hurts can be that 

I would love for us to have the best QB in the land. Not sure how that would happen....short of giving up any chance at fielding the rest of a team. So I’m just looking to try and build a team. Wentz, Hurts...the freaking defense stunk. McLeod and Mills weren’t terrible. The Dline got plenty of pressure. Singleton stepped up and gave us a LB. Yet the D still was bad. Really gotta focus on getting Gannon some tools which to work. Mills gone. McLeod injured. Malik and Curry gone. Barnett and Sweat in last year of contract. Graham running out of steam. Cox can’t go forever. Slay can’t play every corner position....and he’s at the back of his prime.

10 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Read my posts I’m criticizing him for terrible play which he had same as I did for Wentz but I still think Wentz can play and at a high level. I’d didn’t see anything remotely telling that Hurts can be that 

I guess people see what they want to see.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wentz has the same issues. So inaccurate because he just didn’t square up. Potential was there. But became uncoachable. At least with Hurts I think we all agree he’s very coachable. His teammates back him. He’s not the Primma Donna.

Ham , my issue with you.   You are too smart to let 2020 dictate things.   Due to you wanting to " call Pedey"   for some reason you want to blame Wentz for getting him fired and for all the shortcomings of his offense.   That's great he won playoff games without Wentz.   2017 Wentz did the heavy lifting. the team already had momentum by the time Foles took over and got a gift with New Enlgand sitting Brown.   2018 they scored 16 points... and won with a missed FG.   Really they shouldn't have made the playoffs either year with 9 wins.    You keep talking up Indy with 11 wins, yet fail to mention they were 7th out of 16?    Yet the Eagles were this great playoff team after 2017?   Come on now.  

It's why I think perception changes after this year.   Lets see what happens.  2020 was a year no coach or QB has ever seen before as far as Eagles dumpster fire... all I would ask my GM is put mediocre roster around what I think could be a good enough coach and QB to win with.   Howie failed in spades.  TWICE.  Jus that coming off 2017-18 a lot of fans were in denial... not getting what Doug and Wentz already had to overcome in 2019.   

Now to fit yur narrative... Wentz isn't coachable.... oh my he changed a play.    He didn't McNabb a 3 yard pass on 3rd an 17... oh no.... lol.  Couldn't be more clear Doug wanted to pick his own staff, yet Wentz got Doug fired... you are too smart for that.    Now you lower the bar for Hurts just to make Wentz look bad to fit your narrative.   Lets just see what happens.  3 years Howie is fired, just be patient. 

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I guess people see what they want to see.

Take whatever you want from my posts don’t really care I’ll tell you exactly what I mean by them. I watched hurts was nothing impressive there. Used the eye test simple as that 

I give honest criticism on players don’t try and sugar coat things just because we drafted a guy 

9 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Take whatever you want from my posts don’t really care I’ll tell you exactly what I mean by them. I watched hurts was nothing impressive there. Used the eye test simple as that 

Which is fine to do, and no one seems to be arguing the opposite side. There is no one to my knowledge who has the opinion that Hurts is guaranteed to be a top 5 qb. But the idea that he doesn't have potential to be good is somewhat suspect. You seem to be stuck in the position that what you saw in four games disqualifies him from ever being a legit NFL qb, which seems to be a pretty irrational take.  

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Which is fine to do, and no one seems to be arguing the opposite side. There is no one to my knowledge who has the opinion that Hurts is guaranteed to be a top 5 qb. But the idea that he doesn't have potential to be good is somewhat suspect. You seem to be stuck in the position that what you saw in four games disqualifies him from ever being a legit NFL qb, which seems to be a pretty irrational take.  

I never say a player can’t be good said there was nothing that impressed me... your reading and taking things I never said 

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ham , my issue with you.   You are too smart to let 2020 dictate things.   Due to you wanting to " call Pedey"   for some reason you want to blame Wentz for getting him fired and for all the shortcomings of his offense.   That's great he won playoff games without Wentz.   2017 Wentz did the heavy lifting. the team already had momentum by the time Foles took over and got a gift with New Enlgand sitting Brown.   2018 they scored 16 points... and won with a missed FG.   Really they shouldn't have made the playoffs either year with 9 wins.    You keep talking up Indy with 11 wins, yet fail to mention they were 7th out of 16?    Yet the Eagles were this great playoff team after 2017?   Come on now.  

It's why I think perception changes after this year.   Lets see what happens.  2020 was a year no coach or QB has ever seen before as far as Eagles dumpster fire... all I would ask my GM is put mediocre roster around what I think could be a good enough coach and QB to win with.   Howie failed in spades.  TWICE.  Jus that coming off 2017-18 a lot of fans were in denial... not getting what Doug and Wentz already had to overcome in 2019.   

Now to fit yur narrative... Wentz isn't coachable.... oh my he changed a play.    He didn't McNabb a 3 yard pass on 3rd an 17... oh no.... lol.  Couldn't be more clear Doug wanted to pick his own staff, yet Wentz got Doug fired... you are too smart for that.    Now you lower the bar for Hurts just to make Wentz look bad to fit your narrative.   Lets just see what happens.  3 years Howie is fired, just be patient. 

Pederson had a better winning percentage without Wentz. 2018  We blocked a field goal to beat the best defense in the playoffs. Next game: Alshon drops a routine catch that turns into the game sealing interception. That close to the NFC Championship game. Of coarse Wentz provided no momentum there. Foles had to get that team in the postseason. And I truely believed Foles was going to win that second playoff game in 2018. 

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

You seem to be stuck in the position that what you saw in four games disqualifies him from ever being a legit NFL qb, which seems to be a pretty irrational take.  

See your taking from 4 games ive watched hurts throughout his career wasn’t impressed in college and the nfl just reaffirmed that I wasn’t impressed with him. I never state a player can’t do anything and I 100% rooting for him to prove me wrong. 
 

What bothers me is this notion that Hurts was remotely impressed or that he is deserving to be the starter when he wasn’t and isn’t.

Yes I think Hurts deserves a chance to compete no I don’t think neglect other options at the QB spot just because of him. Whether that be the draft where yes I believe there are 5 guys minimum I think are better right now the. hurts. Or veteran QB 

I believed we’d beat the Hawks in 2019. Middle point of the season I think the Seahawks were the best in the whole league. That playoff game however....we should have won.