43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If Dillard is an epic fail why the HELL is he starting now?????.Jjaw was rushed into service due to massive injuries.I will give him a pass.This year he needs to show me why we drafted him

It was a failure to rush Dillard into trying to play RT. Same way it was a failure to try and make JJAW learn every receiving position at once. What JJAW needs is to learn how to run precise technical routes.  He needs to learn A position. Learn the adjustments based on the defenders. Once he can do that decently.... then I’m fine with expanding his role. Just overwhelming a rookie for the sake of short term team needs rarely works out.

48 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I want him to find out what he's best at.If that is the X,then thats what we need him to do.if you can't beat a jam in the NFL,you aint goin anywhere and now he becomes officially defensible and worthless(aka 1 trick pony that you want) Learning the slot(even if it's in camp) helps you learn body control,footwork,how to blockout, and all the things you need to become a complete receiver,yet you don't want him to do that and I do

I’d say the top thing college guys struggle with when coming to the Pros is beating the jam. Plenty of vets still struggle with it. Got to pick your poison. If you want to focus all your efforts during TC on teaching beating the jam. Then that’s your ideas. I’d rather focus on the route tree.

49 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So to be a complete receiver,you need to learn all that.So just say I was right and be done with it lol

To be a complete receiver you do need to learn all these. Just not by week one of your first season. I’m not asking any rookie to come in as a complete anything. Wentz as the number two overall I still felt there was a learning curve.

Patience NC. You will always be disappointed if your expectations are for him to be Jerry Rice by his first game in the Pros.

13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pretty much like they tried with a JJAW. Or even their attempt with Dillard. Both epic failures. Got to learn from experiences....even, or especially failures.

How can you say Dillard is a failure? He was Drafted to replace a hall of Fame LT who had a year left on his contract. It was the perfect opportunity for the Eagles.

If he isn't starting next year then you can come back with the failure talk

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11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I can agree with you eventually. But you are rushing everything....all at once. Like you feel he must know everything all by week one of his first season. Just seems detrimental to me. I just want him to learn the right way.

I have no clue what his learning curve is,or how intelligent he is.I also have no clue if they taught him slot and/or other things in college.With Alshon out and now Goodwin opting out,we are going to have to press him into service.The more he knows the better

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It was a failure to rush Dillard into trying to play RT. Same way it was a failure to try and make JJAW learn every receiving position at once. What JJAW needs is to learn how to run precise technical routes.  He needs to learn A position. Learn the adjustments based on the defenders. Once he can do that decently.... then I’m fine with expanding his role. Just overwhelming a rookie for the sake of short term team needs rarely works out.

LMAO OH like we had 5 receivers on the bench then? We had to play Dillard at RT because he was our best option at that time? Noone rushed anyone,we simply played the best players we HAD LEFT.Can't blame the player or team for that.The suspect med staff over the years has been a real issue for us.I hope the latest changes make a difference,although now we have "covid opt outs". So who we HAVE LEFT will play and they may not play at their specified position.You can only play who you have

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d say the top thing college guys struggle with when coming to the Pros is beating the jam. Plenty of vets still struggle with it. Got to pick your poison. If you want to focus all your efforts during TC on teaching beating the jam. Then that’s your ideas. I’d rather focus on the route tree.

So he can't learn 2 things at once? If thats the case,we drafted the wrong guy.He should be eager to learn anything anyone will teach him. Hell,we couldn't even teach Agholor how to catch,thats pretty sad there

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To be a complete receiver you do need to learn all these. Just not by week one of your first season. I’m not asking any rookie to come in as a complete anything. Wentz as the number two overall I still felt there was a learning curve.

IDK buddy, multi year stellar careers all start week 1.McLaurin had NP doing it(amongst others). So how come we "coddle" our WR's? we did it with AG,we did it with Hollins,we tried yet again to do it with Gibson,we could do it with Jjaw(remains to be seen). And the fact we can't develop these guys always leads us to the FA market.So either our scouts STINK OR the coaches do(maybe both who knows).I don't expect 150 yards a game week 1-3,but by week 4 he should be a decent contributor and you can't teach someone something if you never show it to them,so how can they learn what is not presented?

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Patience NC. You will always be disappointed if your expectations are for him to be Jerry Rice by his first game in the Pros.

yeah we were "patient" with AG,Hollins,Gibson,now Jjaw. At what point do you get PRODUCTION? isn't that the objective?

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46 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK buddy, multi year stellar careers all start week 1.McLaurin had NP doing it(amongst others).

I think it is easier for guys who rely on pure speed to quickly adjust to the NFL over guys like JJAW who rely on positioning and route running, and who also need to develop a relationship with the QB. It's why I am hopeful that we will get immediate production from our draft class (obviously, they have to be good, but I don't think anyone is doubting that Watkins and Reagor have tons of speed.)

If you look at Jeffery, he didn't have a great first year in Chicago (24 catches, 367 yards, 3 TDs), but had a monster second year. He was hurt in his first year, but he did play in 10 games, and played a lot of snaps in those games. So I think there is a precedent for a big receiver seeing a big surge in production in his second year.

Also, it will help JJAW to be the primary X receiver at the start of camp, so he can get more reps with Wentz, though the lack of a proper offseason will hamper him somewhat. They also worked out together in the offseason, so I think he will get better just by spending more time in the system and with the QB.

 

22 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Practice and watching film is one thing. Nothing can replace how a player puts it all together in a game. I favor the ‘Gamer!’ The guy that can step up under the lights and pressure. 

LOL,  I agree if it was a real game vs an opponent that is 100% focused and game planning against what you are doing ... as opposed to working and focusing on their own agenda. In practice you also get to see how a player can do vs real NFL players, not so much the guys who are going to get released.    You also have more reps and as opposed to only a few plays where a player may actually get truly evaluated.   So 30 practices vs 5 or 6 game reps in August vs the scrubs... I'll take the practice.  You also need to see how the player fits into the chemistry of the locker room... much more goes into it than just a few preseason plays.  

21 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pedey already came out and stated Reagor is training behind DJax at the Z. So things aren’t going like you are thinking to start the season.

We know for sure that everything Doug says 2 months early is what will happen.  No chance of him saying... " wow, look at this kid, we need to get him on the field ASAP"  No chance at all. 

20 hours ago, hputenis said:

 

Doug forgot to consult with Ham on this to see if it was ok.    I find it weird for a coach to not be 100% locked in on his ideas that he had in May and June... complete shock that situations may change over time... lol.   Plus we all know that coaches never just give a quick answer just to get on to the next question and be done with the interview ASAP.    I find it odd to show such disloyalty to the media...lol.   Things change... different players adjust differently.  JJAW coming out late from Stanford is a different situation that Reager this year.  It seems even in college that Reager has played all over the field while JJAW was pretty much the outside guy.   Every year and every player are different, thinking one way works all the time isn't a great approach.    Without Alshon or Goodwin ... we need to get the talent out on the field at WR.  Reager is a huge key ASAP.   I'm not talking about overwhelming the kid with the playbook, just the need to get him on the field.  you can limit his assignments without limiting his time on the field.  

6 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

How can you say Dillard is a failure? He was Drafted to replace a hall of Fame LT who had a year left on his contract. It was the perfect opportunity for the Eagles.

If he isn't starting next year then you can come back with the failure talk

I’m saying it was a failure to try and do too much and move Dillard to RT. You’re right at LT. High expectations there. JJAW maybe needs to settle into one spot also. So let’s not get crazy with Reagor either.

20 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Reagor needs to start

Not worried about who gets introduced as a starter... more so he just needs to be on the field as much as possible.  We need our playmakers on the field. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Doug forgot to consult with Ham on this to see if it was ok.    I find it weird for a coach to not be 100% locked in on his ideas that he had in May and June... complete shock that situations may change over time... lol.   Plus we all know that coaches never just give a quick answer just to get on to the next question and be done with the interview ASAP.    I find it odd to show such disloyalty to the media...lol.   Things change... different players adjust differently.  JJAW coming out late from Stanford is a different situation that Reager this year.  It seems even in college that Reager has played all over the field while JJAW was pretty much the outside guy.   Every year and every player are different, thinking one way works all the time isn't a great approach.    Without Alshon or Goodwin ... we need to get the talent out on the field at WR.  Reager is a huge key ASAP.   I'm not talking about overwhelming the kid with the playbook, just the need to get him on the field.  you can limit his assignments without limiting his time on the field.  

I think Doug is not so good at press conferences.  He has blatantly lied in multiple of his most recent press conferences, and I don't even think he is doing it on purpose.  It's like an idea comes into his brain, and he just runs with it, no matter if it's true or not.  I've learned to not listen to anything he says in a presser.  But hey, if that's his biggest flaw, then I'm fine with it.  Chip Kelly was great in press conferences.  Here's what Doug's brain looks like when Jeff McClane asks him a difficult question:

 

6 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

How can you say Dillard is a failure? He was Drafted to replace a hall of Fame LT who had a year left on his contract. It was the perfect opportunity for the Eagles.

If he isn't starting next year then you can come back with the failure talk

I think he was just referring to the "experiment" as a failure when they moved him to RT for a week.  I'm excited to see Dillard at LT this year.  He showed great signs as a player when he replaced Peters last year.  He was borderline flawless against Buffalo.  

I am definitely nervous about all the talk about the mental side of his game.  It's been documented multiple times that he is overly emotional, and he gets into squabbles constantly with Barnett and other DL.  BLG confirmed yesterday that type of behavior continued throughout the season, but we only heard about it during training camp.  It's one thing to get into it with another player in practice, but when the coaches and GM have to console him after practice to calm him down, that type of crap makes me nervous.  

20 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Reagor studying the playbook is one thing. Actual practice and games is different. I’m not a fan of learning a little of everything. I want him to perfect and add to his repertoire. He’s at square one of his NFL career. I don’t want to see a bunch of sloppy WR covered up by athleticism. I want him to strive to become the greatest. Sky is the limit! But that won’t come by half assing everything. Tight, crisp and extremely deliberate....that’s the approach. Some really good benefits that can be obtained by watching and learning from DJax. I also think Duce might not be here but so much longer. I want Reagor absorbing his knowledge as well. How to carry the football. How to explode upfield. More than learning the X I think get him in the RB group some.

How was Tyreke Hill brought along?   I would prefer Reager to follow that path as close as possible.  returns, slot, backfield and outside.   I see no issue with him being out on the field with DeSean.  Both on the outside ... I wouldn't overthink due to a letter at the end of the alphabet.  Let's not make a simple thing complicated.    Like I said, every player has a different background coming into the league.  Reager has a dad who was a pro, it has probably been his 100% career path his whole life, compare to JJAW who's parents are basketball players and it's all kinda new.  You could logically assume Reager has had exposure to what NFL experience is like... the importance of the playbook  and versatility etc.   Look at his training, dude is in shape ... a guy putting in that effort in the gym, very logical to think he has put the time in for all these years learning the mental side of the game.   X, Y, Z or whatever letter you want to throw out there for a WR.  

21 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Now we have a reserve/covid listing.will they employ an emergency roster count addition? I mean,it's no good if you have 90 players with 25 on covid/reserve and 20 more "opting out" lol.IDK guys,I may have to suit up after all

I would go to that game and cheer for you NC....I am trying to visualize you as our y/ z receiver . Ohhhhhh what a sight lol.

20 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pretty much like they tried with a JJAW. Or even their attempt with Dillard. Both epic failures. Got to learn from experiences....even, or especially failures.

Do we always need to do things one way with you?  It isn't possible for different players to have different results?  Where did Reager play in college?   All over the place... it's why we should use him that way. Dillard only played LT... JJAW was also limited in college right?  

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Do we always need to do things one way with you?  It isn't possible for different players to have different results?  Where did Reager play in college?   All over the place... it's why we should use him that way. Dillard only played LT... JJAW was also limited in college right?  

I think it’s pretty clear and obvious to some that Reagor was brought in to play the Z. DJax, as much as you love him, is most likely playing his last season here. I’d be surprised and shocked if DJax can play 13 full games this year. So opportunities will be abounding at the position. 
 

 But the whole point I’m making isn’t that he can’t play all the WR positions. It’s just that he has to get there. How long does that take? I’m just saying let’s not force it all down his throat by week one. Let him get there.

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

How was Tyreke Hill brought along?   I would prefer Reager to follow that path as close as possible.  returns, slot, backfield and outside.   I see no issue with him being out on the field with DeSean.  Both on the outside ... I wouldn't overthink due to a letter at the end of the alphabet.  Let's not make a simple thing complicated.    Like I said, every player has a different background coming into the league.  Reager has a dad who was a pro, it has probably been his 100% career path his whole life, compare to JJAW who's parents are basketball players and it's all kinda new.  You could logically assume Reager has had exposure to what NFL experience is like... the importance of the playbook  and versatility etc.   Look at his training, dude is in shape ... a guy putting in that effort in the gym, very logical to think he has put the time in for all these years learning the mental side of the game.   X, Y, Z or whatever letter you want to throw out there for a WR.  

I’m sure AR would have loved to have DJax mentor Hill for a season. Hill did get some excellent RB coaching and help in KC. Duce could be a big help to the kid. Got Sproles on board also. Let’s not short change that. Plenty to go along with him including the punt returns. Use what you have. Get him the NFL knowledge from the best. Nothing wrong with Reagor taking second team practice reps behind DJax learning his craft. 
  Letter, or position, matters. Different jobs. Being exposed to the NFL corner jamming you is probably the most common weakness coming from college to the pros. So being on the line....or off the line...matters! Slot has its own nuances. Out of the backfield brings a different skill set into play.