1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

I was actually talking about style of running. McCoy danced around, sometimes too much. Sanders is more of the one cut and i'll see ya type of runner.

There's a little bit of both in Grimes but that doesn't means it's gonna translate to the pro game.

Grimes is a WR. Maybe 3 cups of coffee needed? You meant Gainwell I assume.Think he is better than the losers taking up roster space we have now. Sanders, Scott, Gainwell and maybe a BU or 2

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Grimes is a WR. Maybe 3 cups of coffee needed? You meant Gainwell I assume.Think he is better than the losers taking up roster space we have now. Sanders, Scott, Gainwell and maybe a BU or 2

AGGGH

I'm lucky Tom Woodeshick isn't still playing. I'd NEVER get his name right

2 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

What is it that you think they're planning for? A certain concept or a variety of playmakers across the D that can not only pressure but also help cover up receivers?

Seems we want to clog up the middle and stop the short pass/screen game? If we force QB's to throw deep that could be something we don't really want due to lack of CB talent.Wondering if we could trade Ertz for a 1/2 washed up CB just to help out. Still could also sign a FA after team cuts at CB

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I think the draft gave us a lot of insight into what kind of defense we will run this year, and the likelihood that we will see a lot more 3 man and 5 man fronts.

Williams, Johnson and Marlon fit really well into this scheme, as do many of our existing players. Hargrave was a NT with the Steelers, and Marlon was a NT in college. Cox is a perfect under tackle. Graham can play the close end, and Williams can play both those spots. Avery and Johnson are the stand up rushers at the SAM position, and Sweat and Barnett are the open ends.

That gives us nine guys who are perfect for this system, and a potential backup behind Sweat/Barnett in Jackson and Ridgeway/McGill/Williams as the backup DT.

In the back seven, things get a little more murky. I would group them as the outside corners (Slay, James, Jacquet, Zech), the deep safeties (Epps, Harris, McLeod), the true LBs (Singleton, Wilson, Edwards, Bradley) and the guys I don't know what role they will have yet (Taylor, Maddox, Wallace, Stevens.)

It will be really interesting to see what defense we run next year, but we have the personnel to run a ton of different options. Two things I would note are that this scheme change likely salvaged Avery's career here, and I would expect him to get a decent number of snaps as a SAM, and the drafting of Stevens likely gives Taylor a year to learn the hybrid position behind a guy who actually played it, which should really help him.   

My thinking is, we seemed to get "pressure" types from the guys we drafted even the LB hybrids. Not exceedingly big, but they all seem to be ok speed wise. I noticed smaller schools(aka unknown). Those guys usually want to impress and they play harder because this is their "shot" at the big league. From what I have gathered so far,all these guys seem to be above average in football intelligence, so they should pick up schemes fairly fast. Gainwell was a super solid value. Dickerson is the best at what he does. His health is a concern for sure, but he has a year to heal and learn and take some G garbage snaps,so hopefully he works out. If he does he is pro bowl caliber. Reagor better pick up the pace(well they all should). Will be interesting to see who sticks in the WR room other than the "stars". We have a variety of play styles at the position, so will be cool to see how we plan to use them. Grimes can  be used all over the field,he is an easy replacement for what Jjaw was SUPPOSED to be(sorry,never liked this guy lol)

My thinking... let's see year 1 play out first without worrying about the scheme and how any of these players fit.  After a year, we can get all anal about the little details.     Until then... Jimmy's and Joe's not Xs and Os .

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

I was actually talking about style of running. McCoy danced around, sometimes too much. Sanders is more of the one cut and i'll see ya type of runner.

There's a little bit of both in Grimes but that doesn't means it's gonna translate to the pro game.

That's cool. I wasn't really sure. Just thought your post was a nice gate to offer my thoughts after watching Gainwell's vid clips. 

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

My thinking... let's see year 1 play out first without worrying about the scheme and how any of these players fit.  After a year, we can get all anal about the little details.     Until then... Jimmy's and Joe's not Xs and Os .

Welp,you need to have a scheme or a plan before you draft(and for who you have or who you need to replace AKA Barwin when we changed D's), or you draft the wrong guys

A roundup of all the draft grades.

René Bugner on Twitter: "🚨 2021 NFL Draft Team Grades I combined 18 evaluations for GPA incl: Chad Reuter Ryan Fowler Ben Rolfe Vinnie Iyer Danny Kelly Doug Farrar & Mark Schofield PFF Nate Davis Mel Kiper Jr Ryan Dunleavy Conor Orr Matt Lombardo Mark Maske Luke Easterling Thor Nystrom Thanks guys 🙏🏻 https://t.co/vM6OnVl4aK" / Twitter

We finished 17th, right above the WFT. The Giants ranked pretty well. The Cowboys did not.

I think our draft grade rests on three factors - The CB class being really bad (we passed on so many options), Dickerson staying healthy (seems risky) and Fields not being incredible/Hurts not being horrible.

We have a legit chance to have a bunch of rookies contribute right away. Smith will obviously start. Dickerson (if healthy) might be the top backup at four oline spots. Williams is likely a contributor on the dline right away. Zech may be the second best corner on the roster right now. Gainwell seems like a lock to get reps.

It's hard to remember a draft class where so many guys seemed poised to contribute right away, which isn't a great situation, but at least we will get to see them in action.   

19 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

A roundup of all the draft grades.

René Bugner on Twitter: "🚨 2021 NFL Draft Team Grades I combined 18 evaluations for GPA incl: Chad Reuter Ryan Fowler Ben Rolfe Vinnie Iyer Danny Kelly Doug Farrar & Mark Schofield PFF Nate Davis Mel Kiper Jr Ryan Dunleavy Conor Orr Matt Lombardo Mark Maske Luke Easterling Thor Nystrom Thanks guys 🙏🏻 https://t.co/vM6OnVl4aK" / Twitter

We finished 17th, right above the WFT. The Giants ranked pretty well. The Cowboys did not.

I think our draft grade rests on three factors - The CB class being really bad (we passed on so many options), Dickerson staying healthy (seems risky) and Fields not being incredible/Hurts not being horrible.

We have a legit chance to have a bunch of rookies contribute right away. Smith will obviously start. Dickerson (if healthy) might be the top backup at four oline spots. Williams is likely a contributor on the dline right away. Zech may be the second best corner on the roster right now. Gainwell seems like a lock to get reps.

It's hard to remember a draft class where so many guys seemed poised to contribute right away, which isn't a great situation, but at least we will get to see them in action.   

Chicago is praying Fields is an immediate success.

The Giants absolutely raped them in that trade.

26 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Welp,you need to have a scheme or a plan before you draft(and for who you have or who you need to replace AKA Barwin when we changed D's), or you draft the wrong guys

We didn't draft anyone though... we are fans and can just sit back and watch year 1 without already worrying about what we don't know.   After seeing this year play out, we can have a better feel.   At this point I am more focused on getting players with talent.  

15 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Chicago is praying Fields is an immediate success.

The Giants absolutely raped them in that trade.

I think Chicago is praying Rodgers never plays again for Green Bay more than anything else.

As far as the trade, I think the Giants got good value. But so much depends on how good or bad the Bears are next year. Daulton is a decent qb, they helped out their oline and they have a good defense. Plus, if Rodgers is out of GB, they are the immediate favorites in the division.

The Bears won't be that bad. And if Fields is really good, they may be contenders right away.

29 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We didn't draft anyone though... we are fans and can just sit back and watch year 1 without already worrying about what we don't know.   After seeing this year play out, we can have a better feel.   At this point I am more focused on getting players with talent.  

OK semantics again,we are trusting this STAFF has a plan so they can draft the right guys. Better?

55 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Hurts not being horrible

Next year is franchise QB year lol

57 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

A roundup of all the draft grades.

René Bugner on Twitter: "🚨 2021 NFL Draft Team Grades I combined 18 evaluations for GPA incl: Chad Reuter Ryan Fowler Ben Rolfe Vinnie Iyer Danny Kelly Doug Farrar & Mark Schofield PFF Nate Davis Mel Kiper Jr Ryan Dunleavy Conor Orr Matt Lombardo Mark Maske Luke Easterling Thor Nystrom Thanks guys 🙏🏻 https://t.co/vM6OnVl4aK" / Twitter

We finished 17th, right above the WFT. The Giants ranked pretty well. The Cowboys did not.

I think our draft grade rests on three factors - The CB class being really bad (we passed on so many options), Dickerson staying healthy (seems risky) and Fields not being incredible/Hurts not being horrible.

We have a legit chance to have a bunch of rookies contribute right away. Smith will obviously start. Dickerson (if healthy) might be the top backup at four oline spots. Williams is likely a contributor on the dline right away. Zech may be the second best corner on the roster right now. Gainwell seems like a lock to get reps.

It's hard to remember a draft class where so many guys seemed poised to contribute right away, which isn't a great situation, but at least we will get to see them in action.   

The more that stick the better, even if it's a BU role. Grimes can take over Jjaws role yesterday. It would be interesting to use him in the slot WHEN we put Reagor outside. Or we can put Reagor in the slot. We can give teams SO many different looks and take advantage of whatever combo works depending on who we play. Would like to see that happen where we can alter the receivers in different positions. Really opens up the playbook and maybe see see some different type plays(for a change). Find the match-up weakness and use whomever to exploit it

13 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think Chicago is praying Rodgers never plays again for Green Bay more than anything else.

As far as the trade, I think the Giants got good value. But so much depends on how good or bad the Bears are next year. Daulton is a decent qb, they helped out their oline and they have a good defense. Plus, if Rodgers is out of GB, they are the immediate favorites in the division.

The Bears won't be that bad. And if Fields is really good, they may be contenders right away.

Well,he should be better than Hurts

ATL took my FA QB Franks. He is better than Newman,but whatever. Good move for them

29 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think Chicago is praying Rodgers never plays again for Green Bay more than anything else.

As far as the trade, I think the Giants got good value. But so much depends on how good or bad the Bears are next year. Daulton is a decent qb, they helped out their oline and they have a good defense. Plus, if Rodgers is out of GB, they are the immediate favorites in the division.

The Bears won't be that bad. And if Fields is really good, they may be contenders right away.

If the draft pick the Giants get is #18 from the Bears....  the last spot for non playoff team... or if the pick us say #24...  meaning the Bears win a playoff game and pick after one other team that won a playoff game.  

Does so much depend on that difference?    The Giants got an additional 1st round pick for 9 spot drop 11-20.   Plus the other 2 picks.   They could trade a pick for an established player.  I don't think the other team is going to worry too much about a few spots, it's the first round. 

Of course it looks better the earlier it is,similar to our Miami trade , but it's safe to assume late teens early 20s and it's great value either way.

35 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK semantics again,we are trusting this STAFF has a plan so they can draft the right guys. Better?

Idk about any of that yet...  I just want to see them get players first, then they can adjust any " plan"  

These are young guys, not 60 years old coaches who have been in the same systems for decades.   They should be able to adjust their ideas according to the players.   I sure hope they don't "force any player into a plan" at this point.   

As an example.... if we have trouble covering Cooper, Lamb and Gallup... I don't think it will be due to choosing the wrong scheme.  Probably more so the players.

34 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well,he should be better than Hurts

Idk... which team has better offensive weapons.... Philly or Chicago?  

Look at the wealth of talented youth here... Sanders, Gainwell,  Goedert,  Reagor and Smith.    Not to mention the potential to unleash Quez Watkins.   With the studs returning to the right side of the OL, you figure Hurts is in a great position to succeed.  He really doesn't have an excuses this year.   

Chicago has Robinson and Montgomery. Idk about much else.  

Matt Ryan should be jumping up the fantasy drafts with that group of skill guys.   

Oh well, back to boredom for the next couple of months.

Was thinkin' same earlier today but didn't feel like typing. So now I guess you made me 

38 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Was thinkin' same earlier today but didn't feel like typing. So now I guess you made me 

YW

Here's my post draft roster projection. Obviously way early, and it will change. But here's how I see it right now.

QB Hurts, Flacco

RB Sanders, Gainwell, Howard, Huntley

TE Goedert, Croom, Jackson

WR Smith, Reagor, Watkins, JJAW, Hightower, Fulgham

OL Mailata, Dillard, Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson, Herbig, Driscoll, Dickerson, Opeta

DE Graham, Sweat, Barnett, Jackson

DT Cox, Hargrave, Williams, Tuipuloto

LB Singleton, Smith, Edwards, Taylor, Bradley, Johnson, Avery, Stevens

CB Slay, James, Jacquet, McPhearson, Maddox

S Epps, Harris, Wallace

I only keep two qbs because we need the space and we can probably sneak Newman onto the PS unless he has a big preseason. RB is kind of a who knows scenario, but they seem to like Huntley who can return kicks. Scott probably will be fine on the PS. At TE, they don't seem eager to add anyone else, so I put Croom on there since he seems like the most solid option to be a TE1 if Goedert gets hurt. JJAW gives them a solid option for an H back role, so they don't need to bring in anyone to play as a TE2. Jackson has decent measurables for the position, so they may keep him from another year.

I don't have Ward making it. It seems like him and Scott have served their purpose. I'm guessing Gainwell can return punts if they don't use Reagor. On the oline, Opeta seems like the best of the rest after the top nine guys.

I have the draft picks all making the roster, which seems risky. But no one is really pushing for the fourth DE spot, and Tuipuloto seems to have more ability than the others at DT. Ridgeway is a possibility but he is always hurt. Eight LBs is a lot, but that includes two hybrid DEs and two hybrid safeties, plus they can all contribute on special teams.

I have five corners, and left an open spot to sign a veteran, which seems like a necessity. I am guessing McLeod will start on the pup, so I only have three safeties.

All in all, it's not a bad roster if they hit on their draft picks. On offense, the young wrs have to develop or else it is back to the well again next year. TE2 is probably a need unless Croom/Jackson break out. Hurts is obviously the biggest question mark, but he is in a great position to be successful.

On defense, we have a lot of slop at LB, corner and safety. But we haven't used a first or second round pick on a defensive player since 2017, so it's to be expected. If the offense plays well this year, we have to ammo to remake the defense next year.     

    

4 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Here's my post draft roster projection. Obviously way early, and it will change. But here's how I see it right now.

QB Hurts, Flacco

RB Sanders, Gainwell, Howard, Huntley

TE Goedert, Croom, Jackson

WR Smith, Reagor, Watkins, JJAW, Hightower, Fulgham

OL Mailata, Dillard, Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson, Herbig, Driscoll, Dickerson, Opeta

DE Graham, Sweat, Barnett, Jackson

DT Cox, Hargrave, Williams, Tuipuloto

LB Singleton, Smith, Edwards, Taylor, Bradley, Johnson, Avery, Stevens

CB Slay, James, Jacquet, McPhearson, Maddox

S Epps, Harris, Wallace

I only keep two qbs because we need the space and we can probably sneak Newman onto the PS unless he has a big preseason. RB is kind of a who knows scenario, but they seem to like Huntley who can return kicks. Scott probably will be fine on the PS. At TE, they don't seem eager to add anyone else, so I put Croom on there since he seems like the most solid option to be a TE1 if Goedert gets hurt. JJAW gives them a solid option for an H back role, so they don't need to bring in anyone to play as a TE2. Jackson has decent measurables for the position, so they may keep him from another year.

I don't have Ward making it. It seems like him and Scott have served their purpose. I'm guessing Gainwell can return punts if they don't use Reagor. On the oline, Opeta seems like the best of the rest after the top nine guys.

I have the draft picks all making the roster, which seems risky. But no one is really pushing for the fourth DE spot, and Tuipuloto seems to have more ability than the others at DT. Ridgeway is a possibility but he is always hurt. Eight LBs is a lot, but that includes two hybrid DEs and two hybrid safeties, plus they can all contribute on special teams.

I have five corners, and left an open spot to sign a veteran, which seems like a necessity. I am guessing McLeod will start on the pup, so I only have three safeties.

All in all, it's not a bad roster if they hit on their draft picks. On offense, the young wrs have to develop or else it is back to the well again next year. TE2 is probably a need unless Croom/Jackson break out. Hurts is obviously the biggest question mark, but he is in a great position to be successful.

On defense, we have a lot of slop at LB, corner and safety. But we haven't used a first or second round pick on a defensive player since 2017, so it's to be expected. If the offense plays well this year, we have to ammo to remake the defense next year.     

    

I dont think Huntley overtakes Scott and I will predict Grimes boots Jjaw.Your TE roster would be ALOT better if we had signed my boy Yeboah(sorry but we blew

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