3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Look at the successful tram recently.  Tell me their last few drafts and how many 2nd round picks have started from day 1.

  I think Round 2 is around 50-60% and round 3 is less. That is why you need to try for starters to fill needs day two and long term for day 3 picks...

20 minutes ago, stine said:

  I think Round 2 is around 50-60% and round 3 is less. That is why you need to try for starters to fill needs day two and long term for day 3 picks...

I think it's different for teams as they are in different stages of being competitive. 

I think for a crap team to draft for the immediate needs is a great way to stay at the bottom.   For a long time!   

41 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And I am saying ... it's exactly teams like our...the stinky teams... that need to take home run swings.   Acknowledge we stink and need to take HUGE strides.      So with that said, it makes sense to take the player with the upside. 

Is it really a home run swing to draft a player who's gonna sit behind a pro bowl center for a year?

It's pretty much what the Eagles did with Dillard

The only exception to tht is if there were NO players  of equal value on the board. I'n not sure that's the case here

2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Is it really a home run swing to draft a player who's gonna sit behind a pro bowl center for a year?

It's pretty much what the Eagles did with Dillard

The only exception to tht is if there were NO players  of equal value on the board. I'n not sure that's the case here

The home run swing is the upside of the player long term.   The safe pick is the guy that is going to play asap, but without the upside.  

19 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The home run swing is the upside of the player long term.   The safe pick is the guy that is going to play asap, but without the upside.  

I honestly hope you're right.

I'm just not feeling it

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

I honestly hope you're right.

I'm just not feeling it

It's a swing .... it doesn't mean it's gonna work out.   That is to be seen,but the pick was anything but safe or conservative.   

3 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

dullass not picking up option on Van der Esch, LB. Know he has injuries and it's obviously a contract yr

Because they picked Parsons...the writing was on the wall.

6 hours ago, stine said:

BG, I am not concerned with any other picks for your reasoning, but I can be upset for this team taking unwarranted risks on an injury plagued player in the 2nd round. If you are not fine. I just am tired of SOS with our 2nd rounds picks never making the playing field for more than a handful of games before getting released/traded.....

Hurts, Sanders, JJAW, Goedert,  . ...   Jones         .... Eric Rowe, Jordan Matthews, Zach Ertz,  Kendricks, Curry .... these are the 2nd round draft picks since 2012.       One guy didn't play because he stuck... one guy you could make the case it was due to never being the same due to injury.   

ONE FRICKIN GUY!     ONE ..... UNO.  

How do you make this seem like a trend with second round picks?     Wow did Sydney Jones have a psychological effect here!    One fricking guy 4 years ago and its all of a sudden an annual tradition?    

I'll even go back to the 1970s ... if you can find the other 2nd round pick that didn't play due to injury, let me know.   Hailey's comet is more consistent that this idea.     

 

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Why we he be handed a job?  Wouldn't he have shown you on the field that he earned it?

LOL yeah he will earn the job, then get hurt game 3 and we are right back to previously

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

And my points remain 

1. When you have a mountain to climb to get back to being a decent team, now is the time to take the chance

2. See me in 3 years.

The difference I will say between these 2 players, and you need to acknowledge.    It seems Jones has gotten back on the field and hasn't proven to be NFL level player.   Dickerson has recovered from multiple injuries... doesn't seem to have effected his play.   The concern is not if he will ever be able to compete at the NFL level, it's more so if he will be available.  

If he's "not available" why do you have him? Like I said, he has the potential to be the best C to ever ride pine. We need a C a RELIABLE one. Howie got caught up in the "best of" hype. I would be happier with the SECOND best C who had no injury history. ONE injury (which at times red flags draftees) is different that FOUR, so yeah lets snag that 4 flag guy. There are 32 teams. If I get the 2nd best C and know he will be ON THE FIELD for a decade,I will take that

Wow think we just need to relax already hoping our rookies get hurt. I get it we have an injury prone C hopefully with nfl trainers/medical staff(yes our have been terrible I know) we get better and he stays healthy. 
As I’ve said massive concerns across the board with this draft class for me but only thing left is to just wait and see what happens with it. 

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

And I am saying ... it's exactly teams like our...the stinky teams... that need to take home run swings.   Acknowledge we stink and need to take HUGE strides.      So with that said, it makes sense to take the player with the upside. 

Home run swing? In a re-build year? Are we Cleveland? Remember I suffered through a 34 year rebuild. Anyway I agree with Stine on his point and BTW aren't we injured enough without inviting it to our locker room?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

The home run swing is the upside of the player long term.   The safe pick is the guy that is going to play asap, but without the upside.  

LOL OH so Myers from OSU is chopped liver? OK got it(once again even if he was a reach at 37 he was 'damn good" and stayed on the field) IDK that there is more upside than that at C? I guess blocking for one of the top 3 QB's is mince meat BS. We could have "reached" for him at 37 with "no risk" and it still would have been a better pick. We could complain about the reach, but it would still be a more logical choice.I hope Hurts can get stilts to throw over this guy

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

It's a swing .... it doesn't mean it's gonna work out.   That is to be seen,but the pick was anything but safe or conservative.   

IDk if I am rebuilding,I take safe and secure. Get me players that will stay on the field together. I can improve the position later. I hope Dickerson works out,but he came with 4 red flags,so let's just say there are reasons to question this pick and as I said before,perhaps he ends up as an OG

On a more positive note with Dickerson wouldn’t shock me if he earns him self a starting job by the start of the season. 
 

Semaulo though decent I think is beatable for the LG spot. Don’t think I see Kelce getting unseated not after we paid him. 

Also have to wonder if the Eagles will look at dealing an OL Brooks was reported to be on the block before... Dillard could be dealt.

17 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Home run swing? In a re-build year? Are we Cleveland? Remember I suffered through a 34 year rebuild. Anyway I agree with Stine on his point and BTW aren't we injured enough without inviting it to our locker room?

Did Cleveland build it the right way with a long term view in mind.... or did it seem they tried to rush it by drafting for immediate needs...  more flash ... more sizzle than steak?   Probably your answer to why it took 34 years 

https://sports.yahoo.com/eagles-draft-landon-dickerson-despite-035256925.html They seem to indicate that like me he could end up being a G(and also a BU C). Tough call. I can see both sides of this debate. I just didn't feel taking chance was a good idea in round 2 of a re-build year. obviously others feel differently

49 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Did Cleveland build it the right way with a long term view in mind.... or did it seem they tried to rush it by drafting for immediate needs...  more flash ... more sizzle than steak?   Probably your answer to why it took 34 years 

34 years is a long time to get it wrong lol

20 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Home run swing? In a re-build year? Are we Cleveland? Remember I suffered through a 34 year rebuild. Anyway I agree with Stine on his point and BTW aren't we injured enough without inviting it to our locker room?

Asante Jr... the scouting report clearly says..... " this guy will turn your franchise around. "    lol.  Game changer!    Instant 5 more wins, can't believe Howie passed on him.   

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Asante Jr... the scouting report clearly says..... " this guy will turn your franchise around. "    lol.  Game changer!    Instant 5 more wins, can't believe Howie passed on him.   

Me either,and we could have had Meinerz at C in round 3 to boot. At least this makes logical sense. We getting 5 more wins with pine rider?

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm bored,I need drama lol

I have not been to the beach yet. Back/leg issues ongoing-sucks. Condolences

We're a mile from the bay, 2 mi from the ocean - just out of reach of having to do hurricane insurance.

Our 2018 Outback's still under warranry. Took it in for recall on the soundsystem - which is important to me! So once they service it and know we take god care of it, they gave us a trade in offer on a new one which a really good deal on a really good upgrade to premium as we've bought 3 cars from them. Huge touchscreen, Harman Cardan surroundsound and the turnsignal mirrors she likes. 

Personally that soundsystem could get me over our 2nd rd picks' injury history. I mean we could just blast good music while he's on IR. Open the skylight and blow it out of my head.

Enjoy life - it's short.

BTW - once the tourists are here, we hardly go to the beach or go out to eat, esp this yr.

Honest NFL on Twitter: "I don’t know many people on the planet who understand secondary play or coverages better than Jon Gannon. The blunt answer to why they didn’t draft a CB earlier is because nobody’s value was close enough to the pick’s value, and he went through all of them with the scouting team." / Twitter

As far as corner and the defense in general, I would hold off all evaluations until this guy gets a chance to see what he can do. He was very highly regarded in NFL circles, and it seems like the front office is working much better with him than it did with Schwartz. The guys we added in free agency and the draft all make sense to me, and also makes me think that he will be more likely to use existing guys in roles they might excel in, rather than hoping they excel in areas that seem polar opposite to their strengths.

Two examples are Taylor and Avery, who were pretty much going to be wasted under Schwartz. But the fact that we drafted two guys with similar skill sets makes me think there is a role for these guys.

If they believe in Zech (or James, or Jacquet or someone else) I would be happy taking my lumps for a year while he develops. We are taking the same risk with Hurts at a much more crucial position, and Gannon clearly vouched for this guy, so I don't see a reason to panic when it's not like we didn't do that exact same thing with Maddox last year. 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Honest NFL on Twitter: "I don’t know many people on the planet who understand secondary play or coverages better than Jon Gannon. The blunt answer to why they didn’t draft a CB earlier is because nobody’s value was close enough to the pick’s value, and he went through all of them with the scouting team." / Twitter

As far as corner and the defense in general, I would hold off all evaluations until this guy gets a chance to see what he can do. He was very highly regarded in NFL circles, and it seems like the front office is working much better with him than it did with Schwartz. The guys we added in free agency and the draft all make sense to me, and also makes me think that he will be more likely to use existing guys in roles they might excel in, rather than hoping they excel in areas that seem polar opposite to their strengths.

Two examples are Taylor and Avery, who were pretty much going to be wasted under Schwartz. But the fact that we drafted two guys with similar skill sets makes me think there is a role for these guys.

If they believe in Zech (or James, or Jacquet or someone else) I would be happy taking my lumps for a year while he develops. We are taking the same risk with Hurts at a much more crucial position, and Gannon clearly vouched for this guy, so I don't see a reason to panic when it's not like we didn't do that exact same thing with Maddox last year. 

No doubt this upcoming season is the perfect year to get a much better look at those already on the roster.  They’ll all be playing in entirely new schemes on both offense and defense, so it is hard to make any kind of solid evaluation based on past performance.  Add to that the fact that player development was a sore spot under the last coaching staff.  We should have a much better idea going into next offseason where are holes really are.  

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/eagles-draft-landon-dickerson-despite-035256925.html They seem to indicate that like me he could end up being a G(and also a BU C). Tough call. I can see both sides of this debate. I just didn't feel taking chance was a good idea in round 2 of a re-build year. obviously others feel differently

34 years is a long time to get it wrong lol

1.  Which year would be a better year?  When you are close to winning like Green Bay last year when they took a player who didn't have to play at all year 1?     Or when you are still miles away and it's irrelevant what that player does year 1?

2.  Never underestimate the stupidity of a bad franchise.