2 hours ago, stine said:

Tampa Bay has 8 starters from the first two rounds the past 4 drafts. That is how you do it! JJAW is a starter? Rowe is a starter? Jury is still out for Dillard and Reagor. Second round was awesome! So you are confirming our deficiencies! We don't draft right and you think it is OK? How often do we draft a guy with injury history in the 2nd round before Jones? You clearly do not get it. I hope Dickerson plays great for the next 5 years. But odds are he fails due to recurring injuries.

Again.. just going by your quotes.    You are tired of drafting guys in round 2 that are injured...  it's one guy!   Sydney Jones.   It's not a trend when it's one guy.

Now drafting inferior players....that's another story.  But you specifically mentioned the injured player round 2.  It's hard to read your mind, much easier to go off the exact specific issue you mention in your post. Perhaps clarify a little better?  

It's great that Tampa currently has 8 starters from their last 8 picks in rounds 1-2.     Did they all start as rookies? 

2 hours ago, stine said:

Tampa Bay has 8 starters from the first two rounds the past 4 drafts. That is how you do it! JJAW is a starter? Rowe is a starter? Jury is still out for Dillard and Reagor. Second round was awesome! So you are confirming our deficiencies! We don't draft right and you think it is OK? How often do we draft a guy with injury history in the 2nd round before Jones? You clearly do not get it. I hope Dickerson plays great for the next 5 years. But odds are he fails due to recurring injuries.

Btw...  6 out of the last 3 drafts.   Neither guy from 2017 start, the 2nd rounder isn't on the depth chart anywhere.  Incase we want to get technical.   But still good point,  you have to draft better than JJAW .

In fairness... if Dillard starts, we will have all our first 2 picks from 2018 to 2020 starting as well.    JJAW is technically the 3rd player selected. 

But bigger Eagles issue is what was drafted between Lane Johnson and Goedert.   Only 2 picks remain once Ertz goes.    Lack of players in their prime is the huge issue with this team.  It's going to be the issue that staggers the progress as these old guys fizzle.

Bottom line is we need to hit on as many picks as possible Joe. Let's stop arguing this point as most are probably tired of readin about it. Let's move on. What's done is done. We differ on opinions which is OK.

    Next Subject: Who is playing CB this year? Do we have more than 4 on the roster? I really do not know, so just asking.....

2 minutes ago, stine said:

Next Subject: Who is playing CB this year? Do we have more than 4 on the roster? I really do not know, so just asking.....

Slay Mcphearson outside Maddox slot Jaquett and James as backups 

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Btw...  6 out of the last 3 drafts.   Neither guy from 2017 start, the 2nd rounder isn't on the depth chart anywhere.  Incase we want to get technical.   But still good point,  you have to draft better than JJAW .

In fairness... if Dillard starts, we will have all our first 2 picks from 2018 to 2020 starting as well.    JJAW is technically the 3rd player selected. 

But bigger Eagles issue is what was drafted between Lane Johnson and Goedert.   Only 2 picks remain once Ertz goes.    Lack of players in their prime is the huge issue with this team.  It's going to be the issue that staggers the progress as these old guys fizzle.

If Dillard starts it'll be because Mailata got ate by a Dingo

1 minute ago, Asg 15 said:

If Dillard starts it'll be because Mailata got ate by a Dingo

Mailata has the edge but if it’s an open competition for the spot wouldn’t sleep on Dillard. Think the two can get the best from each other in a competition. 

48 minutes ago, stine said:

SO, I read an article about how long players drafted in a specific round last in the NFL. Data goes back the past 15 years. !st round players drafted: 71% are on the roster for year 5. 2nd round players are on the roster year 5 - 41.9%. 3rd round - 18.8% are on the roster year 5. I also states that 83.9% of 2nd round players start year 3. So maybe we want to try and grab a player that has a solid chance of starting year 3? Wentz tore out his knee in November and was not ready to play until like week 4 of the following season. So Dickerson has an ACL surgery and we expect him to be ready for Game 1? Here is a 330 lb player and he is going to be ready over 2 months sooner than Wentz?

   As I said many times, I hope Dickerson proves me wrong and has an injury free career. But do any of you honestly feel he will not miss numerous games the first 3 years? Non of these players has a better shot at starting for 5 years?

Christian Barmore - DT

Richie Grant -s

Levi Onwuzurike - DT

Kelvin Joseph - CB

Asante Samuel - CB

Aaron Banks - C/G

Azeez Owasu-Koramoah - LB

Dayo Odeyingbo - LB

Pat Freiermuth - TE

Nick Bolton - LB

Josh Myers - C/G

   We take someone that had 4 surgeries in the past 5 years. Joe feels it is warranted and that is fine. His opinion. Mine is he won't.....

I don't feel anything.  My point was simple.  The time to take the chance is when your team sucks.  The issue I see with our fans, we are not used to being here.  We want the shortcut out of the situation.   The shortcut from not sucking ... will not lead to contending.   The rush to get to 9 wins will keep you in that area. 

So looking at your #s.   Do they mean that the player stays with the original team that drafted him?   Or just in the league in general?

Being that 1st round players get locked into year 5 a lot of times due to their contracts allowing it... it should be obvious how that effects the #?

As for year 3 starting.  You would assume that a guy who was injured in December should be able to recover year 3.   We should also assume it's not likely a rookie would be starting over the best center in the NFL on day 1.

It should be obvious that the idea is for Dickerson to start once Kelce retires after one more year.   If he misses games year 2 and year 3... is it ideal, no. Is it the end of the world?   Idk.  I don't think so.  I'm sure there will be players who miss games that are drafted in the first couple of rounds.  We have to see the total impact.  

But for me, I would prefer to take this risk and swing for the fence now... now while we suck.    Because let's leave no doubt... WE SUCK!    Then down the line when one player drafted in the early rounds might make the difference in wining something his first year. 

Now Barimore to me filled a more obvious long term need.  So for different reasons he would have been my preference.  Nothing to do with injury though.

6 minutes ago, stine said:

Bottom line is we need to hit on as many picks as possible Joe. Let's stop arguing this point as most are probably tired of readin about it. Let's move on. What's done is done. We differ on opinions which is OK.

    Next Subject: Who is playing CB this year? Do we have more than 4 on the roster? I really do not know, so just asking.....

That it's a snooze of a subject for me.   

Better question.    In 2023 when it might matter.  Who is playing CB then?   IMO we need 2 starting CBs,  Slay will never see a playoff game in an Eagles jersey.  He is irrelevant.   Which I'm trying to emphasize the mindset of how shortsighted it is to worry about 2021.  Especially with draft picks. 

I don't we disagree that we need to hit on draft picks.   Where we disagree is the urgency of when they need to hit.  You also want to rush to judge Hurts this year and get the QB next year etc.   It's a rush job IMO and could be dangerous in causing us to stay bad for a while.  No shortcuts in the process.  

This idea that it's easy to rebuild this fast and replace Kelce, Brooks, Lane, Cox, Graham, Slay, McCloud... plus add to that group... while also retaining guys like Goedert, Mailata,  Barnett, Sweat...etc.  then having to pay a guy like Sanders etc.   

You darn right we need to hit on draft picks.... and it ain't about this little of an issue for 2021.  There is a $h@tload of work to do here, not just who plays CB in 2021 opposite of Slay.  

12 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Mailata has the edge but if it’s an open competition for the spot wouldn’t sleep on Dillard. Think the two can get the best from each other in a competition. 

Dillard MAY be a better pass blocker but he sure as hell is never gonna be a better run blocker.

I'd love to see Mailata lined up as a TE on either side. Can you imagine running behind Lane Brooks, and Mailata?

Dillard  gives the impression of being soft mentally

I don't know if that's fair but to me he seems to come off that way.

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

That it's a snooze of a subject for me.   

Better question.    In 2023 when it might matter.  Who is playing CB then?   IMO we need 2 starting CBs,  Slay will never see a playoff game in an Eagles jersey.  He is irrelevant.   Which I'm trying to emphasize the mindset of how shortsighted it is to worry about 2021.  Especially with draft picks. 

I don't we disagree that we need to hit on draft picks.   Where we disagree is the urgency of when they need to hit.  You also want to rush to judge Hurts this year and get the QB next year etc.   It's a rush job IMO and could be dangerous in causing us to stay bad for a while.  No shortcuts in the process.  

This idea that it's easy to rebuild this fast and replace Kelce, Brooks, Lane, Cox, Graham, Slay, McCloud... plus add to that group... while also retaining guys like Goedert, Mailata,  Barnett, Sweat...etc.  then having to pay a guy like Sanders etc.   

You darn right we need to hit on draft picks.... and it ain't about this little of an issue for 2021.  There is a $h@tload of work to do here, not just who plays CB in 2021 opposite of Slay.  

  Regardless of who we have after next year, we still need to field a team! Do we even have 4 CB's to suit up? I am asking as I do not know.....

10 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Dillard MAY be a better pass blocker but he sure as hell is never gonna be a better run blocker.

I'd love to see Mailata lined up as a TE on either side. Can you imagine running behind Lane Brooks, and Mailata?

It’s a passing league having a guy that can pass protect is huge though. Not saying he will win but think the competition could be great for both players. Push Mailata to get better as pass protection while hopefully pushing Dillard to get a bit more grit.  I’d expect Mailata to win at the end but I’m just hoping to see growth 

Also Maialta is known to have back problems so we definitely need a 2nd T whether that be Dillard or Driscoll whoever 

7 minutes ago, stine said:

  Regardless of who we have after next year, we still need to field a team! Do we even have 4 CB's to suit up? I am asking as I do not know.....

There are currently 8 CBs listed on the roster and one listed as a DB

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It’s a passing league having a guy that can pass protect is huge though. Not saying he will win but think the competition could be great for both players. Push Mailata to get better as pass protection while hopefully pushing Dillard to get a bit more grit.  I’d expect Mailata to win at the end but I’m just hoping to see growth 

Also Maialta is known to have back problems so we definitely need a 2nd T whether that be Dillard or Driscoll whoever 

No arguement from me. also remember Lane has had cronic ankle problems. Luckily Mailata has proven he can play both sides

Just now, Asg 15 said:

No arguement from me. also remember Lane has had cronic ankle problems. Luckily Mailata has proven he can play both sides

This is tough for me though if Mailata wins the LT job I don’t want him moving stay on the left side... Dillard we have seen can’t play RT which then leaves Driscoll. 
 

Though if Dillard were to win then I’d assume Mailata is the swing T for both sides first guy up.  
Id find it hard to dress Dillard on game days with his lack of position flexibility if he wasn’t the starter.

1 hour ago, stine said:

SO, I read an article about how long players drafted in a specific round last in the NFL. Data goes back the past 15 years. !st round players drafted: 71% are on the roster for year 5. 2nd round players are on the roster year 5 - 41.9%. 3rd round - 18.8% are on the roster year 5. I also states that 83.9% of 2nd round players start year 3. So maybe we want to try and grab a player that has a solid chance of starting year 3? Wentz tore out his knee in November and was not ready to play until like week 4 of the following season. So Dickerson has an ACL surgery and we expect him to be ready for Game 1? Here is a 330 lb player and he is going to be ready over 2 months sooner than Wentz?

   As I said many times, I hope Dickerson proves me wrong and has an injury free career. But do any of you honestly feel he will not miss numerous games the first 3 years? Non of these players has a better shot at starting for 5 years?

Christian Barmore - DT

Richie Grant -s

Levi Onwuzurike - DT

Kelvin Joseph - CB

Asante Samuel - CB

Aaron Banks - C/G

Azeez Owasu-Koramoah - LB

Dayo Odeyingbo - LB

Pat Freiermuth - TE

Nick Bolton - LB

Josh Myers - C/G

   We take someone that had 4 surgeries in the past 5 years. Joe feels it is warranted and that is fine. His opinion. Mine is he won't.....

'cept Dickerson is not starting game 1.Not this year

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

This is tough for me though if Mailata wins the LT job I don’t want him moving stay on the left side... Dillard we have seen can’t play RT which then leaves Driscoll. 
 

Though if Dillard were to win then I’d assume Mailata is the swing T for both sides first guy up.  
Id find it hard to dress Dillard on game days with his lack of position flexibility if he wasn’t the starter.

To me it's kind of sad that a person who's played football all their lives can't adapt but a Rugby player will do what ever it takes to help the team.

Hence my comment of him being soft mentally

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

'cept Dickerson is not starting game 1.Not this year

He plays guard also. I assume he is an upgrade over who we have at RG, no? So Kelce, Brooks, Dickerson, Johnson and either Mailata/Dillard......

1 minute ago, stine said:

He plays guard also. I assume he is an upgrade over who we have at RG, no? So Kelce, Brooks, Dickerson, Johnson and either Mailata/Dillard......

I'm sure they would work him into rotation as the year goes on,or even give him some garbage time snaps at C,but I doubt we see him early on

8 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

To me it's kind of sad that a person who's played football all their lives can't adapt but a Rugby player will do what ever it takes to help the team.

Hence my comment of him being soft mentally

Not a  Dillard fan either, IDK why,but I don't see the toughness like he is just there for the paycheck and will do the minumum

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

One thing I find interesting is that our draft, after pick 84, probably looks exactly the same whether we trade with the Cowboys or not.

We traded pick 84. But there are reports that the team almost traded back into the third to grab Zech, so it is very likely we would have drafted him with pick 84 had we kept it.

If we drafted Zech at 84, does anyone think we would have passed on Gainwell at 123? From all reports he was great value at that spot, and he fits exactly what the Eagles want to do at RB.

I don't know if we would have taken Marlon at 150. I love a lot of the picks who were taken around that time. Nixon, a few safety prospects, a few wr prospects were there, but if they really loved someone, they could have traded up to grab them with all of their later round picks, two of which we ended up trading for a fifth rounder next year. So I have to believe that Marlon would have at least been in the conversation at 150.

So for all the angst of losing pick 84, ultimately our draft was probably exactly the same. The only real difference is that had we not moved up for Smith, he wouldn't be on the team.

I think the draft would have unfolded differently like this .... no  trade down at pick 70.  We take another player there... then get the guy we drafted at 73 at pick 84.   That's how I see the draft differently for us if we didn't trade pick 84... the idea there would not be a trade down to get an extra 6th

 

13 minutes ago, stine said:

He plays guard also. I assume he is an upgrade over who we have at RG, no? So Kelce, Brooks, Dickerson, Johnson and either Mailata/Dillard......

Brooks = RG.  When healthy (hate to have to keep using that with so many of our players) he is one of the best.  

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Slay Mcphearson outside Maddox slot Jaquett and James as backups 

Superbowl

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Not a  Dillard fan either, IDK why,but I don't see the toughness like he is just there for the paycheck and will do the minumum

I can't really say that I see anything with Dillard either way... he was shutdown with an injury last year.   Nothing at all from 2020.   I would like to see him on the field before claiming to be an expert on him like some of us on here seem to know all this stuff from thousands of miles away?  

45 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Dillard  gives the impression of being soft mentally

I don't know if that's fair but to me he seems to come off that way.

Is that the impression you got from last year?