38 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It’s a passing league having a guy that can pass protect is huge though. Not saying he will win but think the competition could be great for both players. Push Mailata to get better as pass protection while hopefully pushing Dillard to get a bit more grit.  I’d expect Mailata to win at the end but I’m just hoping to see growth 

Also Maialta is known to have back problems so we definitely need a 2nd T whether that be Dillard or Driscoll whoever 

Mailata is also under the final year of his contract.... something I think a lot of the fans automatically assume   " the privilege to play for this great Eagles organization"   .... there is a chance he gets paid and leaves after this year.  He's not an automatic retain.   

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Mailata is also under the final year of his contract.... something I think a lot of the fans automatically assume   " the privilege to play for this great Eagles organization"   .... there is a chance he gets paid and leaves after this year.  He's not an automatic retain.   

Those things don’t concern me much if we want to resign him think it happens if not he walks 

37 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

This is tough for me though if Mailata wins the LT job I don’t want him moving stay on the left side... Dillard we have seen can’t play RT which then leaves Driscoll. 
 

Though if Dillard were to win then I’d assume Mailata is the swing T for both sides first guy up.  
Id find it hard to dress Dillard on game days with his lack of position flexibility if he wasn’t the starter.

100%     Dillard is a LT and that's pretty much it.  He has to start or probably get traded ... otherwise... you lose a lot if he dresses, unless it's move him to LT and then move Mailata over to RT?    you figure much easier to just put in Driscoll?   Who knows?      Lane has so much dead money, he needs to stay on the roster the next 2 years, that also leaves one less option.

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Those things don’t concern me much if we want to resign him think it happens if not he walks 

I mean,  its the idea that now it's real money.  Real LT money.  He ain't  taking a discount  to play here, not at this exact stage.    If he just starts next year ... that's going to put an 8 figure deal for him in 2022.    Dillard will be much cheaper, you an bet it's a factor.

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I can't really say that I see anything with Dillard either way... he was shutdown with an injury last year.   Nothing at all from 2020.   I would like to see him on the field before claiming to be an expert on him like some of us on here seem to know all this stuff from thousands of miles away?  

My thoughts exactly.  Sure he has been here for 2 years now but he missed all of 2020 and only made 4 starts his rookie year.  He looked pretty solid when he got time at LT (for a rookie) ... it was when he played for Lane at RT where he looked lost.  And then the soft comments followed shortly afterward due to some comments he made.  Need to see more before we make a judgement on him.  

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

mean,  its the idea that now it's real money.  Real LT money.  He ain't  taking a discount  to play here, not at this exact stage.    If he just starts next year ... that's going to put an 8 figure deal for him in 2022.    Dillard will be much cheaper, you an bet it's a factor.

What real LT money joe... he isn’t getting top tier LT money atleast not right now...When would Philly look at resigning him??? If we wait till end of the year things change some. If he playing at a high level don’t think we have issues paying if he isn’t then again he walks.

Again as stated before not worried over the resigning 

https://overthecap.com/player/lane-johnson/2185/

Lane's contract .... then what happens if you have to pay Mailata?  Which there is no way around if he starts and plays simply decent this year, he will be paid on his age and potential.   You can't cut or trade Lane without taking the monster dead money hit, so you can't say Dillard at LT with Mailata at RT without it being very expensive.    There is a lot of value in hoping Dillard wins the job.  

Howie the cap wizard needs to do some work very soon and getting some of these young guys locked up quickly before this last year of their deals  even gets started.  Perhaps doing it early can get a little discount?  Barnett, Sweat, Goedert, Mailata...  4 pieces that would be tough for a rebuilding team to lose while it still has a ton of old guys.

8 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

How's it going TD? Heading your way in a few weeks - Elizabethtown. Won't be doing much, taking care of Deb's Mom at Masonic Village.

At least the Saints vs Eagles game's on NFLN - Hurts'  1 game.

Goin' great, thanks! Have a safe trip. 

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

What real LT money joe... he isn’t getting top tier LT money. When would Philly look at resigning him??? If we wait till end of the year things change some. If he playing at a high level don’t think we have issues paying if he isn’t then again he walks.

Again as stated before not worried over the resigning 

OK....lets look...he has a $872k  cap hit .... less than a mil.     At the moment 16 LTs make over $11.5 mil per season.    That's the top half of starters, but we also know that contracts work in a way that whoever gets paid the most recent gets more money.    So Mailata being a free agent, a young dude with huge physical gifts at a premium position.... he ain't coming at a discount.    It's a factor for the long term for sure that we may lose him if he performs fairly decent this year as a starting LT.   

 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

OK....lets look...he has a $872k  cap hit .... less than a mil.     At the moment 16 LTs make over $11.5 mil per season.    That's the top half of starters, but we also know that contracts work in a way that whoever gets paid the most recent gets more money.    So Mailata being a free agent, a young dude with huge physical gifts at a premium position.... he ain't coming at a discount.    It's a factor for the long term for sure that we may lose him if he performs fairly decent this year as a starting LT.   

 

Let’s look at it this way simple if we want him we will sign him lmao. 11m for a LT isn’t much and Mailata only makes that money if he play well. I don’t think our FO would have any issue paying for a good LT if he plays that way. 

Is there a chance he walks yes but he is walking because we don’t want him not because we can’t pay him 

6 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

What real LT money joe... he isn’t getting top tier LT money. When would Philly look at resigning him??? If we wait till end of the year things change some. If he playing at a high level don’t think we have issues paying if he isn’t then again he walks.

Again as stated before not worried over the resigning 

But did Big V play at such a level that we needed to keep him?    it's my point, you seem to be stuck on he will play great and be worth the big pay day, and skip over the fact that he just may play decent ... and a decent LT still gets paid.      Very good chance we lose an average Mailata because he will get overpaid like Big V did.   

My point with this, is that it's a pro for the side of wanting to see Dillard win the job.  Dillard won't cost much if he is the starter, the contract doesn't come up for another year and in reality 2 if you use the 5th year option.    At that point if Mailata is the backup this year, much easier to resign him.  

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Let’s look at it this way simple if we want him we will sign him lmao. 11m for a LT isn’t much and Mailata only makes that money if he play well. I don’t think our FO would have any issue paying for a good LT if he plays that way. 

Is there a chance he walks yes but he is walking because we don’t want him not because we can’t pay him 

Like Big V ... played well?   or ok?   

Just now, joemas6 said:

But did Big V play at such a level that we needed to keep him?    it's my point, you seem to be stuck on he will play great and be worth the big pay day, and skip over the fact that he just may play decent ... and a decent LT still gets paid.      Very good chance we lose an average Mailata because he will get overpaid like Big V did.   

My point with this, is that it's a pro for the side of wanting to see Dillard win the job.  Dillard won't cost much if he is the starter, the contract doesn't come up for another year and in reality 2 if you use the 5th year option.    At that point if Mailata is the backup this year, much easier to resign him.  

No joe you seem to big stuck on that I’m on the logic of if we want him we will keep him real Simple stuff.

We decided Big V wasn’t worth keeping he was a top tier backup. Left and got paid. Same will happen with Mailata Eagles will make a decision if we want him we will pay him if not he walks. 
 

I don't think our Fo is going to over spend on him just for decent is what you seem to be missing. I think if he plays great we will have no issues resigning him for whatever the cost is. 

Again Mailata contract doesn’t concern me in the least bit 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No joe you seem to big stuck on that I’m on the logic of if we want him we will keep him real Simple stuff.

We decided Big V wasn’t worth keeping he was a top tier backup. Left and got paid. Same will happen with Mailata Eagles will make a decision if we want him we will pay him if not he walks. 
 

I don't think our Fo is going to over spend on him just for decent is what you seem to be missing. I think if he plays great we will have no issues resigning him for whatever the cost is. 

Right .... but you are talking about 2 different things.    I'm talking about planning for the position now.     One of the issues to take into consideration in the Mailata vs Dillard battle.

Mailata starts (you then see where it makes sense to trade Dillard right, because he only really offers LT)    ... Mailata then wins the job, plays decent ... a team over pays for him ...and yes , if the Eagles don't want to sign him they won't .... NEVER SAID OTHERWISE .... MY POINT THIS WHOLE TIME.... MAILATA MAY BE LOST IN FREE AGENCY BECAUSE HE SIMPLY PLAYS OK AND THE EAGLES DO NOT WANT TO PAY $10 MIL FOR AN OK LT.         

Now you fast forward a year ... you trade Dillard because Mailata beat him out, and now you don't have Mailata either.    It's a very possible scenario that could happen, and my point was that this gives the incentive to want Dillard to beat our Mailata for LT.   I think that is where the organization is at right now.  

Never mentioned anything about the Eagles being forced to sign Mailata or not, just that he could walk by simply being overpaid by someone else and if we lose Dillard, we will be left with neither next year.  A definite possibility.  

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Now you fast forward a year ... you trade Dillard because Mailata beat him out, and now you don't have Mailata either.    It's a very possible scenario that could happen, and my point was that this gives the incentive to want Dillard to beat our Mailata for LT.   I think that is where the organization is at right now.  

Never mentioned anything about the Eagles being forced to sign Mailata or not, just that he could walk by simply being overpaid by someone else and if we lose Dillard, we will be left with neither next year.  A definite possibility.  

If Dillard can’t best Mailata then do you want Dillard???? And then Mailata plays ok so we don’t want to pay him.... It all just equals to the fact we don’t have a LT then.

So honestly no incentive to me at all for Dillard to win. Best man wins hope for the best.

Im under the full reality that T might be high on the list in 22 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

If Dillard can’t best Mailata then do you want Dillard???? And then Mailata plays ok so we don’t want to pay him.... It all just equals to the fact we don’t have a LT then.

So honestly no incentive to me at all for Dillard to win. Best man wins hope for the best.

Im under the full reality that T might be high on the list in 22 

Right ... we might need a LT in 2022 ... unless Dillard steps up ASAP.    I think they know this... which may also force them to move towards Dillard.    Clearly the best case scenario is Dillard winning the job.    Half the guys on here already have Mailata in the hall of fame and Dillard as the softest thing since Wonderbread ... you and I see LT as a possible issue... but I think these guys who have Mailata penciled in as LT for the next decade don't see the issue that Mailata could easily be gone after this year.   Certainly he isn't coming back for league minimum chump change that he makes now.  

Just now, joemas6 said:

Right ... we might need a LT in 2022 ... unless Dillard steps up ASAP.    I think they know this... which may also force them to move towards Dillard.    Clearly the best case scenario is Dillard winning the job.    Half the guys on here already have Mailata in the hall of fame and Dillard as the softest thing since Wonderbread ... you and I see LT as a possible issue... but I think these guys who have Mailata penciled in as LT for the next decade don't see the issue that Mailata could easily be gone after this year.   Certainly he isn't coming back for league minimum chump change that he makes now.  

But really.... who starts at CB next to Slay in 2021 is the biggest issue this team has....lol 

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But really.... who starts at CB next to Slay in 2021 is the biggest issue this team has....lol 

What do you feel the Biggest need is now? LT? LMAO! I agree we have multiple needs but LT is the least of my worries. I want to see improvement this year. Maybe it is one game better, but at least show improvement. You think we all of a sudden need to be great in 2023? It is a process. Draft players ranked at your spot, within those rankings, draft the player position we need the most. We need at least 2 CB's. Three if Slay is not here in two years. McPhereson may not even make the team and you already have him inked in as a starter? One site has him ranked as 53rd best CB. Another site does not even have him in the top 150 prospects. NFL has him as a mid 3rd rounder. But point is he may not even be good enough to start in the next three years if he makes the team. So, in this case, we need 3 starting CB's. So you going to handle that next year? Nah, this is a rebuild!! Let's not worry about this until 2023!! What a concept!

15 minutes ago, stine said:

What do you feel the Biggest need is now? LT? LMAO! I agree we have multiple needs but LT is the least of my worries. I want to see improvement this year. Maybe it is one game better, but at least show improvement. You think we all of a sudden need to be great in 2023? It is a process. Draft players ranked at your spot, within those rankings, draft the player position we need the most. We need at least 2 CB's. Three if Slay is not here in two years. McPhereson may not even make the team and you already have him inked in as a starter? One site has him ranked as 53rd best CB. Another site does not even have him in the top 150 prospects. NFL has him as a mid 3rd rounder. But point is he may not even be good enough to start in the next three years if he makes the team. So, in this case, we need 3 starting CB's. So you going to handle that next year? Nah, this is a rebuild!! Let's not worry about this until 2023!! What a concept!

The biggest need now .... is the understanding that Now doesn't matter.   It's a long term project to get back to being even just  bottom playoff team.     I think the need now is to understand, we need 2 CBs ... not one to play opposite a guy who won't e on the roster the next time we play in the playoffs.  

The 17 corners the Eagles have drafted since 2004 are Maddox, Sidney Jones, Rasul Douglas, Blake Countess, Jalen Mills, Eric Rowe, JaCorey Sheperd, Randall Evans, Jordan Power, Brandon Boykin, Curtis Marsh, Trevard Lindley, Jack Ikegwuonu, Rashard Barksdale, Jeremy Bloom, Matt Ware and Dexter Wynn.

  Only Mills played decent, but no stand out CB drafted in the past 17 years. McPhereson is the answer! Just plug him in!

Just now, joemas6 said:

The biggest need now .... is the understanding that Now doesn't matter.   It's a long term project to get back to being even just  bottom playoff team.     I think the need now is to understand, we need 2 CBs ... not one to play opposite a guy who won't e on the roster the next time we play in the playoffs.  

Then we need 3, not two. Maybe McPhereson makes the team. Then we need two or three if he is not a starter...... I am not all that confident in they way we draft. So we may need two or three CB's after next year's draft. Do you worry then? I mean it is fairly obvious this is our biggest weakness. Why not at least address one side with a solid prospect? That was the reason there was an argument in the war room Friday. the DC wanted to draft a CB, but Howie traded back and took another player. The CB our DC wanted was drafted by the Giants 2 picks later.... This is because Howie is not listening to the Scouts. That is why we will never compete for the next 5-6 years, let alone 2-3.....

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The biggest need now .... is the understanding that Now doesn't matter.   It's a long term project to get back to being even just  bottom playoff team.     I think the need now is to understand, we need 2 CBs ... not one to play opposite a guy who won't e on the roster the next time we play in the playoffs.  

Disagree. NOW always matters. Winning always matters.

As soon as you accept losing and a losing culture you becomes what the Browns were for 20 years

Show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser. 

                                                                           Vince Lombardi

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/nfl-draft-2021-eagles-desperate-ever-cornerback-help

17 minutes ago, stine said:

What do you feel the Biggest need is now? LT? LMAO! I agree we have multiple needs but LT is the least of my worries. I want to see improvement this year. Maybe it is one game better, but at least show improvement. You think we all of a sudden need to be great in 2023? It is a process. Draft players ranked at your spot, within those rankings, draft the player position we need the most. We need at least 2 CB's. Three if Slay is not here in two years. McPhereson may not even make the team and you already have him inked in as a starter? One site has him ranked as 53rd best CB. Another site does not even have him in the top 150 prospects. NFL has him as a mid 3rd rounder. But point is he may not even be good enough to start in the next three years if he makes the team. So, in this case, we need 3 starting CB's. So you going to handle that next year? Nah, this is a rebuild!! Let's not worry about this until 2023!! What a concept!

BTW... I have nobody inked as anything.... I don't know this McPherson kid from the ex QB name McPherson we signed 20 plus years ago.  Don I believe his name was?  

I think you are going to be in for a real shock,   you are assuming a linear progression with this team on its way back .... I don't see it that way.  You want a CB now... and then think, if we can fill a hole now, it automatically means the team will be better the following year and the year after that, just keep filling the biggest need at the current time.

So let me ask you ....in your all encompassing 2021 Eagles life .... you get your CB now... lets say Asante Jr.  you can have him. in my world I'm giving him to you.   Next year you have Asante Jr. and Darius slay ...  but you cut Dillard this year, Mailata walks in free agency.  

What is your biggest concern ... LT or CB.   I mean does it take a step back losing the LT over gaining the #2 CB, who lets be honest, might not even be a good #2 CB, just that he is better than what you have now.  And now is so important.

IDK... what if in 2022 you draft CB with the first pick... and that guy actually starts the next decade plus, and then you don't give two $hits who held the spot down for 2021, because that guy no longer starts or might not even be on the roster.    Who played CB prior to Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor?   Did it matter once those guys took over?    How I look at the CB position.  We need 2.  If we get them both next year ... or one next year and the other the following year... and we got them by not forcing a draft pick simply because of the " need for now"  but rather they were simply the best player on the board, like the center from Alabama was their best player on the board.  

I'd rather get a player a year or two later that's a real player, not just want is perceived at filliong the current need for a loser team that we are are the moment to make the loser season seem less of a loser.  

 

12 minutes ago, stine said:

The 17 corners the Eagles have drafted since 2004 are Maddox, Sidney Jones, Rasul Douglas, Blake Countess, Jalen Mills, Eric Rowe, JaCorey Sheperd, Randall Evans, Jordan Power, Brandon Boykin, Curtis Marsh, Trevard Lindley, Jack Ikegwuonu, Rashard Barksdale, Jeremy Bloom, Matt Ware and Dexter Wynn.

  Only Mills played decent, but no stand out CB drafted in the past 17 years. McPhereson is the answer! Just plug him in!

What are you looking to find the answer to?    

4 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Disagree. NOW always matters. Winning always matters.

As soon as you accept losing and a losing culture you becomes what the Browns were for 20 years

Show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser. 

                                                                           Vince Lombardi

Reality matters more than fantasy.    you don't have to accept losing.  you have to accept how far you need to go to contend.   If you live for now each year... go look at the Cleveland Browns and how long it took them to get to what 9 wins?    Trying to rush the now is stupid for bad teams.  

8 minutes ago, stine said:

Then we need 3, not two. Maybe McPhereson makes the team. Then we need two or three if he is not a starter...... I am not all that confident in they way we draft. So we may need two or three CB's after next year's draft. Do you worry then? I mean it is fairly obvious this is our biggest weakness. Why not at least address one side with a solid prospect? That was the reason there was an argument in the war room Friday. the DC wanted to draft a CB, but Howie traded back and took another player. The CB our DC wanted was drafted by the Giants 2 picks later.... This is because Howie is not listening to the Scouts. That is why we will never compete for the next 5-6 years, let alone 2-3.....

Right... now you get it .... we need 3 ... not just the one to play opposite of Slay.   We don't know that we have any on the roster now that will be NFL quality by the time the Eagles actually get good again.     Why not next year make an assault on the position and get 3?   But 3 that are good, and do it because they are available studs there... either draft or FA.   Not worry about forcing a 2nd round pick where it seems obvious that our DC didn't like any of these guys right?   JBS will tell you that.    If you don't like a player long term, don't force it simply because its a perceived need at the moment.  Fix the problem at a later date.   right now, fix one of your many other problems.

To me... when you can soley focus on one spot like a lot of you are obsessed with CB... that means you are close and fixing that one spot will make a difference in winning something.  The Eagles are not there.   If a better solution to the CB position is there next year, then do it next year.  Very simple concept of how to view the long term situation.  

Otherwise you turn into Cleveland from the past where they keep addressing most urgent needs and sacrifice quality to do it....eventually they keep spinning in circles.  34 years according to GB!